I am in the same place as David Mayo was. Is that a contrary fact or would you also categorize him as an “admin type”?

I can only conclude from your evasive answers that you studied and audited NOTs in the “Independent field”?

No, I’ve done both.

Well, if you audited in an HGC at INT Base or you did read it drill it do it in an RPF-type environment (wouldn’t be the Hole though from my limited understanding of what went down there?), then good for you!

But now here’s a contrary fact. You seem to be on the one hand now proud to be known as a “tech type” yet stating that the tech doesn’t work as per nearly all of your other articles, and going into agreement with the Terras and Brians of this world. Or is it that my as-yet-unstated premise, but is a good extrapolation from my original premise, that “admin types” despite training or whatever, nevertheless will show their true colors in the end and say “the tech doesn’t work”? Or have I not read that right?

Mike I am bored with this now. It is getting neither of us anywhere. I won’t reply any more even to your reply to this and you can let Wynski sink his teeth into my remarks to satiate his rabid appetite and I won’t reply to him either.

Thank you for letting me know I have your blessing. My version is a LOT cheaper and a lot less heartache.

As for “auditing people on NOTs” – I do not have a clue what you are talking about unless you mean Solo auditing? Please clarify specifically. You are the one that started this with YOUR assertions.

You do know there are other places than Flag where you can train as a Sea Org member. Like at Int base. I actually audited other Sea Org members. Sounds like you audited your BT’s.

Looks like when it finally comes down to it, this “admin type” is more of a “tech type” than you who so loudly proclaims your superiority over the “admin types” (let alone the “wogs” who are hardly even the same species as the enlightened homo novis you claim to be).

As you said, you can believe whatever version of NOTs that you like.

As to auditing people on NOTs, I am sure you can figure out what is meant, which, unless you did the Class IX course and audited in the Flag or an AO HGC, would be the same experience as mine.

That’s not Hubbard’s EP. It was MY EP. What is true for me is true for me. N’est ce-pas?

And if you were never in the Sea Org you were not a NOTs auditor and never audited anyone on NOTs?

Ok Mike. But the EP of Solo NOTs is not “I am mocking up my BTs and thus they never existed except in my own mind”. This idea has been bandied about over the net for years – I even read one somewhere that said something like there are “(secret) BTs that exist only in one’s own mind” and “there is a central core to the NOTs case” which is a similar false datum and originally came from the same “source”. I knew both statements were nonsense and thus double-checked this with someone who would definitely know and he told me and confirmed that both statements were balderdash. There is so much false data abounding on the net about NOTs.

As to your question, I was never in the SO – fortunately.

OK, in appreciation of your inspiration for today’s post: I woke up. I had been indoctrinated since a child to believe everything Ron said. That included total faith in the E-meter (which you said “By itself does nothing”) which I ultimately came to realize was absurd. It happened while auditing Solo NOTs as a matter of fact. Hey, if a Clear mocks up his own reactive mind, then OT’s must be mocking up their BT’s and Clusters. Or at the very least, agreeing that they are there and are cause over me. That was the start of the end. And from there, as I inspected more and more aspects of it, I came to understand the extent of the deception.

But I don’t care what people believe. That I don’t believe this is true any longer is irrelevant to your beliefs. You can believe anything you want. You can believe the E-meter actually DOES tell you what is and isn’t real (I don’t have to believe OT III, all I have to do is look at the meter reads and that tells me it’s real).

Now, I suspect Terra and Brian and anyone else here is going to find this perfectly acceptable. Because it’s the truth.

Wonder if you are willing to do the same. I doubt it.

Yes, Clearly, thanks for your somewhat theta-ful comment – I always raised stats on whichever post I was on. Mike should ring up Dave and ask him to send the Universe Corps to me, except I don’t need them any more.

Actually, Mike, you haven’t answered my question to you of why don’t believe in BTs any more, attempting to hide behind the wonderfully deflecting statement of “cognitive dissonance”. When you can be a bit more specific on that then I might be more specific on my answer. But it’s your turn first. I wonder what Terra and Brian and the gang are going to think, about your truthful answer? Yes this “cognitive dissonance” is a wonderful thing admittedly, one can brush off any awkward question with its use and all can nod their heads sagely and say, “yes, yes ‘cognitive dissonance’, says it all” – but of course it doesn’t say a thing.

As to No-Wnyski, frothing at the mouth I leave to you. Again where did I say I knew anything about the KTL pilot? If you read what I said I said I was “told” by the NWC people. Suggest you go back to school and learn to read. Go off now and feverishly look through my posts to see what I said, Huckleberry. Gives your life some meaning eh?

Wow, I came VERY close to the truth of the lie on that question to Fool. He exploded, frothing at the mouth. So, you claim to know all about the KTL pilot (which was confidential and NO ONE not on it was given data) but, you weren’t on it.

Um, okay. There is a maxim which will make your future answers easier.

“If you tell the truth, you don’t have to remember anything” Mark Twain