No worries! I think we are all having some posting problems!!

Kat, there is a certain logic to it – that’s part of what attracts people, that it’s supposed to be a “science,” and that Hubbard even introduced supposed “axioms-logics” and a “data series.” Of course, he never actually taught about proper scientific method, or the basics of real logic including how to identify fallacies.

There’s a certain logic to most conspiracy theories, too – and Scientology is sort of a big conspiracy, with imagined figures like “psychs” being used to explain some of the inconsistencies, such as why attacks on Scientology are caused by outside malevolence rather than their “pulling it in.” Unproven or false premises are often slipped in, and those go unnoticed by the credulous, and true believers.

Be they 100% true, be they 100% accurate, FACTS which do not flatter the cult,
which are detrimental in any way, shape of form to the cult, are “entheta” and “enemy line” and are NOT to be “forwarded”.

In pedestrian lingo, if you can’t say anything nice about the cult, zip it. Keep your trap shut.STIFLE!

I just read what I wrote above again, and apologize sincerely for all the typos and misspellings. Having problems with my internet again – it keeps going in and out. It makes me nervous that my post won’t go thru, or hasn’t gone thru, so send the post before editing.

Aqua,
Yep- I guess if they are looking at the number of attacks as winning, I guess they are- theyre winning the right to be called a cult, winning the right to (hopefully) be prosecuted, winning the right to be chased out of the US and the world, winning in how wretched they treat people.. the list goes on and on. They are definitely winning at being slimy!!!

I get that we all contribute in some way to the many of the things that happen, but good god- things happen to people every day that are horrible and aren’t their fault. The lengths that they go to to pass blame and play the victim is ridiculous!

I suggest you drop this one, jon, and find something else to be upset about. The phrase “powerful Jewish influence” is too volatile, consider the long, long history of anti-semitism in the world, and especially the curret virulent anti-semitism of the Nation of Islam.

Kat,

The essential Hubbard maxim is the we are each responsible for our own condition. That does not mean we are each FULLY responsible for our own condition, but they we, each of us, bear A DEGREE of responsibility for what happens to us in our lives, good or bad or whatever.

But Scientology, the organization virtually EXEMPTS itself from this.

The above maxim is for EVERYONE ELSE. Not the cherch. NEVER the cherch! They NEVER do anything wrong. They’re speech, actions, reactions NEVER cause them others to want to suppress them!

With ONE exception:

When something bad happens to Scientology, when the the organization or David Miscavige or Hubbard get attacked, the ONLY “responsibility” the cherch takes for “pulling in” attacks is – get ready, Kat – is because THEY ARE WINNING!

I kid you not.

They’re getting attacked because they’re doing so WELL that the evil ones can’t STAND it, are being driven INSANE at the concept of Scientology expanding and helping people and so forth – so they MUST attack Scientology.

But then, everyone else? Well, what did they DO to pull this in?

Now, in fairness, I have had Ethics Cycles (not sec checks, I never had one of those) in which I was asked to “take a look” to see what I had done that could have contributed to whatever bad or unhappy or stressful situation I was attempting to handle at the moment.

During these cycles, I was HELPED by spotting what I had done that had CONTRIBUTED to the situation occurring (not fully CAUSED, mind you, but “contributed” to)

When I looked I was able to see some things that I had done, or not done…each time, it helped.

But let me stress that these ethics cycles were done properly on me, which means they were done GENTLY, with gentle coaching, with no make-wrong, with kindness, with understanding!

I had a few of these types of Ethics Cycles when I was in and they helped me. Taking responsibility for my condition in THIS way with the proper treatment and someone there truly interested in helping me DID help me deal with things and did help me relief my pain and distress.

That said, I have read about the kind of Ethics Cycles that people have undergone that are just …horrendous, would be the word. Getting screamed at, getting made wrong, getting HOUNDED until they admitted what the EO wanted/needed them to admit…unspeakable, that’s all.

Frankly, I cannot imagine being subjected to such treatment in the name of help and “ethics”.

My sympathies are totally with these people I believe them. I am in solidarity with them, even though I was not subjected to this kind of mental torture myself. There is no worse type of abuse.

love that as a catch cry….where is Shelly

Scientologists have a notable ability to exemplify Hubbard’s spin on the psychological concept of projection (caps his): “THE CRIMINAL ACCUSES OTHERS OF THINGS WHICH HE HIMSELF IS DOING”