I meant “liar” ; sorry for my grammar horrors.

Now two years later, they are in the first 3-5 search results with probably (I have no data on this) several thousands invested in a monthly or yearly basis ; a VERY poor return on investment.

There is no way in hell that anyone searching for Scn in the Net wouldn’t stumble accross this “entheta” under 5 mins of his search time.

The Oldman was right in many of his assertions even though that he seldom applied his own principles to himself. One of those right assertions is found on HCOB 13 August 1970 , PR Series 2 , “The Missing Ingredient”.

Its 8th parr reads : “Older practicioners preferred lies. They used circus exaggeration or black propaganda. They sought to startle or intrigue and the easiest way to do it was with exclamation points ‘facts’ which were in fact lies”. End of quote.

Of course, LRH was looking at himself at the mirror when he wrote that. But he was right about that, though.

Next quote from the PL :

“PR, dedicated to a false reality of lies, then becomes low A , low C and recoils on the user”.

A = Affinity , C = Communication

Next quote :

“The more lies you use in PR the more likely it is that the PR will recoil”.

“Thus the law : NEVER USE LIES IN PR.”

“Don’t tell a lie to city officials when the truth is just as easy to tell. Why go to all the work of dreaming up a lie ? If you do, it will weaken you if it is found out that it is a lie. Now you do have a problem with the ‘official public’ “. End of quotes.

So from my perspective , the explanation for COP’s failure with the Internet is totally explained on those quotes. LRH’s own failures are explained by those as well.

Any lie will sooner or later back-fire on the lair.

TC

“The purposes of religion and military are radically different from each other and should never be combined, ever.”

rkdtg, Sounds like you are unfamiliar with the USN. Ever hear of a Naval Chaplain???

Hi TJ,The last couple of posts you wrote were wonderful.If I could I would project myself to every SO Member,Staff Members,and paying public,shower them with fairy dust and lead them out to freedom.I have always wanted all still in to get a clue and depart.However from reading all here and mulling stuff over,I do feel that if someone had come with fairy dust for me early in SO.I would have regarded them as completely nuts.I was the one living Ron’s Dream all others are nasty enemies.So knowing this fact as well has made me more aware of the insidious ways that cos has of wrapping the tendrils of all the tech and all of Ron and now all of David’s bs around a mind,body,and spirit.Dislodging all of it takes a tremendous shift in the entire mind set a shift that if it is perceived as Truth knocks one on your ass & shows you hey something is very wrong & dangerous here I must leave before I lose my life & soul.I did not know about the Indie Sci side of things until I found Mike.I have a personal opinion that if that approach helps people then have at it.My problem comes in getting across the fact that for me all the conventional auditing techniques all that I had read in SO all the policies etc were turned upside down and backwards,used on me by Guardians Office Intelligence,and the result is still such a gaping deep deep hurt I cannot conceive of holding any type of cans again.I was so very hurt in body mind and especially my essence, my soul.I also know there are lots of opinions about cos members and cancer and I read all comments,but I have to walk my cancers path alone as far as medical advice,I would be all over the map chasing all manner of alternative cures and going nuts about it.So when some comment on cleansing and how it helped them,great I am so happy that it worked well for people,but I won’t go out and work that avenue because it just is not me.But I enjoy reading all posts because I learn from all.You are a wonderful writer & expressive too.I found that on a blog my words can be taken in a different way than I intended.I have become more cognizant of this the longer I post.Sometimes I want a hologram of myself reading my posts to whomever so the intended meaning is not misinterpreted.The World of the Web,I’m still a baby in it but I am learning to walk.TJ you and your family are so special to me,you helped so much by just sending support and love to me,it means the world.Let us all keep the drums beating until The Cult is Gone dust blown to the four corners of the earth.Love U & Yours Always, Ann B.

Thanks for commenting RogerHornaday, I wish I did have a plan to rescue… but I don’t have a clue. Cults are a strange force, it’s really hard to break someone out of that mindset, no matter what group they have joined. I have no answers, I’m sorry.

Dawn, thanks for your reply as well. I believe your story is common; many people in the group are like the one you spoke about. I don’t need to be right, it isn’t a question of right or wrong, these are just my feelings on the matter. I urge, in most things in life, for people to try to be compassionate and caring. It’s just in my nature, if it’s appropriate or not, I tend to do it often and stick my foot in my mouth, irritating people. Maybe some people will think about what I’ve said, or maybe they will feel as though those inside don’t deserve it. Everyone has a right to their own opinion on the subject. I hope people are able to leave the cult of their own volition and make a life for themselves. Yes, it would be nice to see it happen, I agree.

Shelley, no offense was meant by my post, I didn’t intend to sound as though I fault you for anything, I don’t, and I apologize if it came across that way. I will be the first to admit, I am not very articulate at times and don’t word things very well. If only what’s in my mind could be easily translated into written form, or a *virtual hug* given out, it would come out better. This is an emotional topic for sure. You are certainly entitled to your own feelings and to express them, it’s enlightening to read your comments, and I get the sense that you have been mistreated by some of those still in somewhere along the way and still feel annoyance at that, very understandable if so. I’m not defending the actions of anyone still in, or making excuses, just saying that we should consider the insidious nature of cult control and try to be charitable and encouraging when (or if) members finally are able to break out. If you are not so inclined, you may have a valid reason, it’s your prerogative, and again, not trying to preach to anyone or tell you what to do. I don’t agree with the actions of the current leader of the cult or those who do his bidding. I’d love it if everyone there would suddenly step up and say, enough is enough, we’re done with this.

Ann B., you are always kind in your comments, thank you.

Thank you Shelly, that was a pleasure to read.

I hear what you say, T.J. I didn’t say people should not be helped – I said the time for excuses of why one stayed is drawing thin.

The fact is that ALL of us left. Not everyone was subjected to same hell as those I mentioned – they were the true heroes. For every one of them, hundreds of others exited the doors for many different reasons – we all eventually could no longer ignore what in front of our very faces.

Just as I observed the insanity and craziness, so did many others who observed exactly what I did and yet they remained in. Why? I had friends & family who nattered more than I about the state of affairs in our church but when I was nailed, they turned their backs on me and disconnected without a 2nd thought. Some of them even cheered at my downfall. These were lifelong friends. Don’t expect me to hold a pity party for them when they exit in years to come – broke, broken and minus gold teeth – just as Mike described.

I was on staff – the PES of Joburg org. I spoke to hundreds of public – I was lambasted with natter, upset, ARC broken & seriously upset public and staff. I can comfortably say that 80% of the people I dealt with were seriously pissed off and upset and KNEW that things were not right. But did they make a move? No. They keep their heads down and won’t muddy the waters for fear of losing their “freedom”. And yet they know.

If you see the “greatest religion on the planet and the ONLY way out the trap” declaring people left, right & centre, involved in dirty OSA tactics & the decimation of good people and you don’t question or take action – as LRH said one should, then I’m sorry – you’re either an SP yourself or you’re utterly dead spiritually.

Don’t forget – David Miscavige is not doing this alone. There are many people still flowing power to him – just like Hitler. He did not personally kill 7 Million Jews on his own – he had plenty of help.

Hi Dawn,Very good to meet you.Your post is very true and it does give one pause because I would not wish ill treatment on anyone still in,save one.Sometimes that situation can cause one to suddenly see the big picture and blow.I do so hope your friend has some kind of cognition at some point.It may start if he got ill and the only treatment was mega vitamin doses,saunas,and running.Years ago I had no doubt that what I was doing in The Sea Org was saving the planet carved in stone one billion times,yet I blew when I saw the true nature of the cult not the side the still ins etc see.Take Care,Ann B.

Yes, Dean, I”d like to know this, too.

The person I spoke about above is in the SO so does not have access to the internet.

Does anyone have any advice as to what I can do or say so that he’ll at least hear me out and, just maybe, have a realisation?