LOL Jere Lull – That’s right. “Thoughtful, comprehensive, honest, mature, or effective” would not describe the brush with which any would paint these characters.

Why the long term Scientologists fell and kept aboard Scientology once there, is individual.
For me, being a dropout with some ill formed phiolosophical ideas which were semi escapist (past lives/future lives is one of the biggest escapist legs Scientology rests on, and then the OT powers which all humans have awaiting them if they do the Hubbard stepladder) were my career long flaws for falling and sticking with the nutty nasty cult. “We were saving the world” to me included “making OTs” meaning making super souled better people and thus fix earth.
It’s ludicrous when you look at the quitters who quit, and most were far more capable than the diehards who stuck with the nutty cult.
It’s a losing proposition, when you weigh Hubbard’s full corpus and his never ending promises of the spiritual goodies, which no one gets.
It’s a long con of spiritual goodies which people wish for, but never get, and then manage to accept and live and pretend what they do get is good enough to keep at the hopeful stepladder.
“Tom Cruise can’t fly” one protester put on her sign in NYC.
Team Xenu is a fraud.

Bill, I feel your pain. If anyone deserves Goldenrod its you. Its so unfair. So many serious suppressive acts, and no acknowledgement.

OSA, what is your problem? Are you playing whack-a-mole with us Chaos Merchants? Like, you confront and shatter one, and then immediately 2 more pop up? Are there just too many of us and not enough of you?

I, too have long felt outrage at having been deemed unworthy of Scientology’s highest SP honor. I am shunned, no Scientologist in good standing can talk to me, and yet – no official Declare. Its downright insulting. I DESERVE Goldenrod. I earned it!

OSA, I speak for Jere and myself and all the Unacknowledged SPs everywhere: Send us our Goldenrod! We’re mad as hell, and we’re not going to take it anymore!.

KatherineINCali is spot on correct, Revolted.

Picking up trash in the community as a punishment would make the wrong-doers feel BETTER.
It would restore to them some SELF-ESTEEM to them.

Knowing that they had actually HELPED in some way would lift their spirits somewhat.

So, no – community service work as punishment is OUT because the purpose of the punishment is degradation and shame.

To achieve that purpose the Sea Org mandates spirit-breaking, back-breaking, uselessly time-wasting “work” resulting in a poor product, or no product that helps no one, and a depressed, exhausted and ashamed human being.

OMG, Peridot! WHO would accuse the scamtologists of being “thoughtful, comprehensive, honest, mature, or effective”? No one acquainted with them, I’m sure.

I agree, Bill: You’ve thrown your CICS refusal to obey orders in their faces too long NOT to get your own personal hate site. I’m sure it’s out there under “who is William Straus” or some such; probably mispelled with awful grammer and punctuation.
OR Davey-Boy might not have sobered up long enough to order it, or he got buried under all the micromanagement he HAS to do to get ANYthing done PROPERLY.
OR, he just forgot.
The twisted twit can’t get anything accomplished since Shelly abandoned him.😂
SHE was the one who got things done around there.

Hey, Chuck: Don’t give them such good ideas! Dwarfenführer® might just have a moment of sobriety and DO it, to his followers’ detriment.

How ’bout: stocking the bathrooms with TOILET PAPER!? That would be far more beneficial than cleaning the toilets, though that’s welcome every few years or so.

Revolted —

Because it’s all about shaming their members and making them feel degraded rather than doing anything helpful or beneficial for the community.