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		By: Kris		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-recovery/#comment-348274</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2020 16:26:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-recovery/#comment-346443&quot;&gt;Ammo Alamo&lt;/a&gt;.

The language she is using is very common in the world of spirituality. I&#039;m not, nor have I ever been a Scientologist, (just obsessed with reading about its craziness!), but I am a reiki practitioner and energy worker and we use that language all the time. The only thing that gave me pause is that our bodies are hundreds of thousands years old bc...well, that&#039;s impossible. Perhaps she was talking about the soul and referring to reincarnation? Soul level trauma patterns (or ancestral trauma) are also common terms when doing the work it appears she is doing. 

You can definitely assess whether someone is being authentic - what are they triggered about? What gets them angry and do they acknowledge it? Are they passive aggressive? Those are indicators that they are not being honest with themselves about their own feelings and perhaps not honest with others. It&#039;s not a conscious dishonesty, it is about denial and avoidance. Of course, I don&#039;t know her intentions when she says it, but given the other content, it is possible that she is now on the spiritual path she intended to go on all along, but was sidetracked by Scientology. I imagine that is one of its major lures to people seeking personal enlightenment - that it can tell you something about how to grow yourself. Of course, it&#039;s just a con to keep you under their control and get your money. Sadly, many spiritual systems function this way.

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-recovery/#comment-346443">Ammo Alamo</a>.</p>
<p>The language she is using is very common in the world of spirituality. I&#8217;m not, nor have I ever been a Scientologist, (just obsessed with reading about its craziness!), but I am a reiki practitioner and energy worker and we use that language all the time. The only thing that gave me pause is that our bodies are hundreds of thousands years old bc&#8230;well, that&#8217;s impossible. Perhaps she was talking about the soul and referring to reincarnation? Soul level trauma patterns (or ancestral trauma) are also common terms when doing the work it appears she is doing. </p>
<p>You can definitely assess whether someone is being authentic &#8211; what are they triggered about? What gets them angry and do they acknowledge it? Are they passive aggressive? Those are indicators that they are not being honest with themselves about their own feelings and perhaps not honest with others. It&#8217;s not a conscious dishonesty, it is about denial and avoidance. Of course, I don&#8217;t know her intentions when she says it, but given the other content, it is possible that she is now on the spiritual path she intended to go on all along, but was sidetracked by Scientology. I imagine that is one of its major lures to people seeking personal enlightenment &#8211; that it can tell you something about how to grow yourself. Of course, it&#8217;s just a con to keep you under their control and get your money. Sadly, many spiritual systems function this way.</p>
<p>Hope this helps! 🙂</p>
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		By: Chris		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-recovery/#comment-346880</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2020 01:34:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-recovery/#comment-346443&quot;&gt;Ammo Alamo&lt;/a&gt;.

I&#039;m so sorry about your shep and hope you got good news]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-recovery/#comment-346443">Ammo Alamo</a>.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m so sorry about your shep and hope you got good news</p>
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		By: WhatAreYourCrimes		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-recovery/#comment-346584</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2020 03:45:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Congrats Holly.  I definitely will be watching your youtube channel.  

You probably already have more views than scientology TEEVEE!

To anyone not yet familiar with scientology TeeVee, this incredible innovation from the mind of COB uses the latest cutting-edge technology, called TELL-A-VISION, to reach the mobs of unwashed WOGs and the TENS of DOZENS of scientologists worldwide like nothing ever imagined before!   

Grab yourself a rocker and a bowl of popcorn, sit on the front porch of eternity (don&#039;t mind the front porch of eternity screen door hinges - they might need a drop of oil or two) and tune into scientology TEEVEE today!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congrats Holly.  I definitely will be watching your youtube channel.  </p>
<p>You probably already have more views than scientology TEEVEE!</p>
<p>To anyone not yet familiar with scientology TeeVee, this incredible innovation from the mind of COB uses the latest cutting-edge technology, called TELL-A-VISION, to reach the mobs of unwashed WOGs and the TENS of DOZENS of scientologists worldwide like nothing ever imagined before!   </p>
<p>Grab yourself a rocker and a bowl of popcorn, sit on the front porch of eternity (don&#8217;t mind the front porch of eternity screen door hinges &#8211; they might need a drop of oil or two) and tune into scientology TEEVEE today!</p>
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		By: Roger Larsson		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-recovery/#comment-346472</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2020 11:10:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The cycle in scientology is &quot;start, go and stop&quot;. The cycle in a greater world is &quot;start, go and continue&quot;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The cycle in scientology is &#8220;start, go and stop&#8221;. The cycle in a greater world is &#8220;start, go and continue&#8221;.</p>
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		By: PeaceMaker		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-recovery/#comment-346444</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2020 05:42:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[She&#039;s indeed refreshing.  It&#039;s interesting to hear how a Gen-X (or early Millennial) &quot;seeker&quot; of the type that were so common among the boomers during Scientology&#039;s heyday in the 1960s, was attracted to the CofS in the late 1990s - not really even recruited.  Such examples have to be increasingly rare, with further societal changes and the explosion of information and media exposing Scientology since the early 2000s, but she explains and exemplifies how someone could still be attracted.

I particularly appreciated her way of explaining how Scientology turns spiritual seeking around into actually impeding personal development - in the CofS part of its mechanism for exerting control, including amassing wealth at the expense of the members.  That even reminds me a bit of one of the early critiques of the boomer-generation &quot;seekers,&quot; that many had fallen into a sort consumerist superficiality sometimes referred to as spiritual materialism; and that was one of the grounds on which the (smaller) generation that followed them rejected such paths, contributing a big dropoff in interest and recruiting for groups like Scientology by the mid 1970s.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>She&#8217;s indeed refreshing.  It&#8217;s interesting to hear how a Gen-X (or early Millennial) &#8220;seeker&#8221; of the type that were so common among the boomers during Scientology&#8217;s heyday in the 1960s, was attracted to the CofS in the late 1990s &#8211; not really even recruited.  Such examples have to be increasingly rare, with further societal changes and the explosion of information and media exposing Scientology since the early 2000s, but she explains and exemplifies how someone could still be attracted.</p>
<p>I particularly appreciated her way of explaining how Scientology turns spiritual seeking around into actually impeding personal development &#8211; in the CofS part of its mechanism for exerting control, including amassing wealth at the expense of the members.  That even reminds me a bit of one of the early critiques of the boomer-generation &#8220;seekers,&#8221; that many had fallen into a sort consumerist superficiality sometimes referred to as spiritual materialism; and that was one of the grounds on which the (smaller) generation that followed them rejected such paths, contributing a big dropoff in interest and recruiting for groups like Scientology by the mid 1970s.</p>
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		By: Ammo Alamo		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-recovery/#comment-346443</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2020 05:42:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Molly seems to be a very nice person who seems to be making an honest attempt at helping Scientologists feel their way to becoming ex-Scientologists, which is a worthy goal.  I transcribed the short video below, and after careful reading I am a bit worried about her ability to clearly state what she is about, and worried about the claims she makes. 

Holistic Practices: The Antidote to Scientology,
Molly McMullen, June 5, 2020-06-07, 
06:43 
https://youtu.be/5NsMr-d_cUc

Some of the claims:
-	Our bodies are hundreds of thousands of years old, and 
-	They contain all of our historic intelligence with the earth, and
-	They contain our trauma pattern from our ancestors, including the stress that they were going through.
-	Though she admits some medical science is legitimate, she says that because she is a ‘body worker’ and a meditation practitioner she has special insights that go beyond what medical science knows, such as:
-	there exists something she calls ‘the intelligence of the body’ which is a ‘living intelligence’
-	Trauma is held in the tissues of the body.  There is “layers and layers and the years and generations of trauma that are held in our bodies and this trauma that has um you know been our history as human on this planet is what has caused our awareness to go offline to those parts and to go just merely just up in our head”

In order to get spiritual, Molly says one must “be authentic about what’s actually happening in your experience,” otherwise “most of our intelligence remains offline.”  Authentic is a good word to use on Antiques Road Show, but when discussing spirituality relating to LRH, auditing, and Scientology I’m guessing she means one must tell the truth and not make up present or past life experiences.  But how does one measure authenticity, either your own, or the authenticity of another person?

Some of her phrases are hard to parse, like “in the body where intelligence resides is sort of like the pathway to having a holistic spiritual practice that comes with, you know, that starts like I said with authenticity and it starts with being able to feel into the structures that make up who you are.”

If I’ve come down too hard on a very nice lady, please forgive me.  I’ve had a very hard day, and just discovered my beloved German Shepherd is very sick, and I am dreading what the vet will say tomorrow.  But back to the case of Ms McMullen, it’s just that when speaking of spirituality as she does I don’t much care for trading Hubbard&#039;s set of woo-woo words and phrases for a different set of woo-woo words and phrases, especially not at $90 per hour.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Molly seems to be a very nice person who seems to be making an honest attempt at helping Scientologists feel their way to becoming ex-Scientologists, which is a worthy goal.  I transcribed the short video below, and after careful reading I am a bit worried about her ability to clearly state what she is about, and worried about the claims she makes. </p>
<p>Holistic Practices: The Antidote to Scientology,<br />
Molly McMullen, June 5, 2020-06-07,<br />
06:43<br />
<a href="https://youtu.be/5NsMr-d_cUc" rel="nofollow ugc">https://youtu.be/5NsMr-d_cUc</a></p>
<p>Some of the claims:<br />
&#8211;	Our bodies are hundreds of thousands of years old, and<br />
&#8211;	They contain all of our historic intelligence with the earth, and<br />
&#8211;	They contain our trauma pattern from our ancestors, including the stress that they were going through.<br />
&#8211;	Though she admits some medical science is legitimate, she says that because she is a ‘body worker’ and a meditation practitioner she has special insights that go beyond what medical science knows, such as:<br />
&#8211;	there exists something she calls ‘the intelligence of the body’ which is a ‘living intelligence’<br />
&#8211;	Trauma is held in the tissues of the body.  There is “layers and layers and the years and generations of trauma that are held in our bodies and this trauma that has um you know been our history as human on this planet is what has caused our awareness to go offline to those parts and to go just merely just up in our head”</p>
<p>In order to get spiritual, Molly says one must “be authentic about what’s actually happening in your experience,” otherwise “most of our intelligence remains offline.”  Authentic is a good word to use on Antiques Road Show, but when discussing spirituality relating to LRH, auditing, and Scientology I’m guessing she means one must tell the truth and not make up present or past life experiences.  But how does one measure authenticity, either your own, or the authenticity of another person?</p>
<p>Some of her phrases are hard to parse, like “in the body where intelligence resides is sort of like the pathway to having a holistic spiritual practice that comes with, you know, that starts like I said with authenticity and it starts with being able to feel into the structures that make up who you are.”</p>
<p>If I’ve come down too hard on a very nice lady, please forgive me.  I’ve had a very hard day, and just discovered my beloved German Shepherd is very sick, and I am dreading what the vet will say tomorrow.  But back to the case of Ms McMullen, it’s just that when speaking of spirituality as she does I don’t much care for trading Hubbard&#8217;s set of woo-woo words and phrases for a different set of woo-woo words and phrases, especially not at $90 per hour.</p>
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		By: Loosing my Religion		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-recovery/#comment-346418</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2020 00:50:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I love this girl. In my opinion she is very inspiring and helpful. Well done Molly.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love this girl. In my opinion she is very inspiring and helpful. Well done Molly.</p>
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		By: Loosing my Religion		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-recovery/#comment-346414</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Loosing my Religion]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2020 00:08:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-recovery/#comment-346382&quot;&gt;jim rowles&lt;/a&gt;.

Yes Jim and be just the awaken witness without becoming anything. And great consciousness comes.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-recovery/#comment-346382">jim rowles</a>.</p>
<p>Yes Jim and be just the awaken witness without becoming anything. And great consciousness comes.</p>
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		By: Karen de la Carriere		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-recovery/#comment-346407</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2020 22:22:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I thought I would post this new Delphian student story here.
Of note is how many 2nd generation scientologists who were educated at Delphi,
departed the cult


https://exscn2.net/threads/delphian-school-and-the-rest-of-my-life.1406/#post-40498]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought I would post this new Delphian student story here.<br />
Of note is how many 2nd generation scientologists who were educated at Delphi,<br />
departed the cult</p>
<p><a href="https://exscn2.net/threads/delphian-school-and-the-rest-of-my-life.1406/#post-40498" rel="nofollow ugc">https://exscn2.net/threads/delphian-school-and-the-rest-of-my-life.1406/#post-40498</a></p>
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		By: georgemwhite		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-recovery/#comment-346404</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2020 22:01:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-recovery/#comment-346382&quot;&gt;jim rowles&lt;/a&gt;.

Correct.  Well stated.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-recovery/#comment-346382">jim rowles</a>.</p>
<p>Correct.  Well stated.</p>
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