Ms. B, you’re adorable. I love your honesty and how you just put what is/was your truth out there; it is what it is, it was what it was. I admire people with the courage to do that. Understood on all you’ve said, and for whatever its worth, look, I’m not a betting person, but I would bet SERIOUS money that you are not nor where you EVER a “no-case gain, dog PC”. I don’t know what happened with your auditing and I never got auditor trained myself but you were sincere, you wanted results, you were there because you wanted to be there, no one was forcing you…I’d bet money that someone fucked up somewhere. Preclears being audited are in an extremely susceptible and vulnerable state. In order for the auditing to be effective they must be completely honest and there must be total trust of the auditor. Auditing someone is a huge responsibility. You can really fuck someone up if its not done properly which means with expertise on the meter AND – far more important – gentleness and respect and patience and caring. No kidding. Without these qualities coming FROM the auditor TO the PC, to make the PC feel TOTALLY secure and liked and cared for, the PC will make NO gains. The processes won’t work. Again, I don’t know what happened but I DO know that done wrong, auditing can and does make someone WORSE. It didn’t happen to me but I cringe reading some of the auditing stories on the internet – how roughly the PC was treated, or pushed to have some sort of “cognition” that he or she really wasn’t experiencing…I cringe when I read stuff like this, because I recall how utterly vulnerable I was, how susceptible I was, susceptible to as little as a raised eyebrow from my auditor…if its going to work, the PC must completely let down his or her guard so as to get at the actual truth, and the auditor must totally be WITH that PC, so that the PC feels totally safe, and must proceed at the PC’s own pace, not at the auditor’s pace. or at a pace needed for some Thursday at 2PM Birthday Game statistic …I was fortunate, extremely fortunate, the little auditing I received was very good and helped me (I’m only ARC SW Release). I can only say that if my auditors had been different, not caring, etc., , I would have experienced great losses and…well, grief, actually. Hugs to you my friend.

Great reply Aqua. I hate nothing about it. I will reluctantly admit that I too mostly enjoyed the Comm Course. I was shy, insecure and introverted way back then, so it seemed to help a bit with all that. I can’t say it did a damn thing for my income though. I just worked hard to get what I wanted and still do. I’m still a bit shy and I’ve learned to embrace my introversion and actually enjoy it.

I also liked the HQS Course for the most part, except for the dissemination drills. I too never brought anyone into the cult. Well, one girlfriend sort of, but she didn’t last long with me or with them. She only got in to try and make me happy. I hope she’s doing well.

I didn’t do the Key to Life Course because it wasn’t offered when I was in.

After these two courses, things mostly went down hill including a short stint on mission staff. What a disaster that was.

As for the auditing, despite piles of “confessional folders” it was pretty much a giant nothing burger for me. I did the grades and some dianetics. Grade IV was the best for some reason I can’t even remember. Mostly the auditing just kept getting worse and worse. I guess I was a no-case gain, dog pc. But, I would bet that there was no one out there that wanted results more than me, the auditing just didn’t do it. Maybe I was just being a bit too honest with myself. I was never going to cough up and engram to run if there wasn’t one there to run. And there wasn’t. Fortunately for me that kept me off the mind fuck of the OT levels. When I finally woke up and blew that pop stand everything has just gotten better and better. Mostly as a result of practicing meditation and accepting life as it is, not what I want it to be. Take good care my friend…

LOL. Ms. B, you’re just going to hate this.

Way back in the day, I did the Comm Course, and in the beginning it was torture, but somehow I got thru it, and it literally changed my life and my income shot way up. You see, my income is 90% dependent upon workable communication. Maybe even higher. What I learned on that course and to this day apply for work and in all my relationships and interactions continues to be quite helpful to me. So I give Hubbard that. The Comm Course, and later, the Pro TRs course, and then after that, the Key To Life Course, made huge differences in my personal happiness and my income.

See? I told you you’d hate it 🙂

Now, if you’re still reading, and haven’t by now given up in disgust, here’s what you won’t hate:

In all my years as a Public Scientologist (they never managed to get me on staff although I came very close to signing twice) I never ONCE got ANYONE into Scientology. Not one single person, in, oh…25 years. I would have LIKED to have gotten people I knew to do the Comm Course and a few other courses that had helped me. But I couldn’t bring myself to “disseminate” because the thought of them being regged and hounded and continually nagged for money, the thought of subjecting anyone I knew or even mildly cared for to the insanity of the Birthday Game was just…well, I couldn’t do it. I WOULDN’T do it. Ergo, as much as I liked and benefitted from the courses and my auditing, I could not, would not, bring anyone in. I figured that I could handle the nuttiness of the continual phone calls, the continual regging for money or to join staff, etc., etc., but I didn’t think anyone I knew would have been able to handle it. Truth.

Also allow me to add: As a public who was at no time staff, the treatment I got was far better than staff received, and my ignorance of the dark side of Scientology was considerable and lasted for nearly 22 years until I found out a lot and decided to go UTR and leave – that took 3 years.

Aqua sez” “You did NOT get an answer to that question, ask it again!” But do they do that? No.

Scientology has the answer for that Aqua. The Comm Course. Specifically TR-1!!! If you were to reg these errant interviewers, you would be able to receive a nice fat FSM commission and feel good about getting someone onto The Bridge to Total Freedom!!!

Jack Williamson

Had a 3/4 longer post but the ‘back’ tag to correct my e-mail address didn’t take me back, just dumped everything.

Yes, its true. I listen to these interviews and want to reach into the TV or radio or whatever and get these interviewers by the neck! My mind yells at them, “You did NOT get an answer to that question, ask it again!” But do they do that? No. Seemingly they’re oblivious to having been fluffed off and serenely go on to the next question. Almost NEVER do they nail the interviewEE and make him or her answer the actual question. It could be done nicely and politely. One need not be rude. You ask a question, you get fluff that sound like an answer but isn’t, so you say something like, “Yes, that’s interesting, thanks, and good to know, etc., but what I really need to know is____________________and then you ask the question again, possibly rephrased, still friendly, not threatening or bullying, but asking the question, until it gets F**KING answered!!!!! It can be done. I’ve seen it done very smoothly.

Ultimately a lot of the technology of propaganda has remained the same for decades.

I wish at certain points in our schooling (at whatever point our minds are developed enough to understand and retain the knowledge) we could be taught a basic course on propaganda and as we age get a refresher with the information expanded on, so that by the time we graduate high school we are able to easily spot the most common seven propaganda techniques as easily as we can recall the days of the week.

It would make the jobs of politicians much more difficult.

That’s what came to mind while I was reading it. In the main, that’s exactly what politicians and corporate representatives do.

Hubbard himself asserted that it was a plot by “less than twelve men. They are members of the Bank of England and other higher financial circles. They own and control newspaper chains, and they are, oddly enough, directors in all the mental health groups in the world which have sprung up.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaska_Mental_Health_Enabling_Act

In many ways the opposition was a precursor to QAnon and the racist antisemitisic conspiracy claims of the extreme right that are with us today. It was interesting to see how proud Miscavige was of Scientology’s (relatively small) role in it.