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		By: Tammy Davis		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Aug 2017 17:49:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Just found the show...binged watched it..horrifying...unbelievable...astounding...I am a Christian and my husband is a pastor. The amount of brainwashing and grooming going on here is scary. On one hand I can&#039;t believe people fall for it. On the other hand I know people&#039;s need to do good and be part of something is one of the tools they use to appeal to you. Once someone starts abusing you it is hard to leave. The tearing apart of families is just so sad. God gave us free will. He could have made us to automatically believe in Him and accept His son Jesus. God did not do that. He gave us the free will to choose. How dare any human take away the free will of another human. I wonder if any of these &quot;defectors&quot; get any any kind of help reversing the brainwashing that has occurred? Please don&#039;t stop the exposure of these people. This is not a church. I do believe this show will help people learn about a terror that should be exposed. I will pray for everyone involved. God is always there. Jesus paid the price. Believe in Him. God is love. Nothing about Scientology has even a tiny hint of love.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just found the show&#8230;binged watched it..horrifying&#8230;unbelievable&#8230;astounding&#8230;I am a Christian and my husband is a pastor. The amount of brainwashing and grooming going on here is scary. On one hand I can&#8217;t believe people fall for it. On the other hand I know people&#8217;s need to do good and be part of something is one of the tools they use to appeal to you. Once someone starts abusing you it is hard to leave. The tearing apart of families is just so sad. God gave us free will. He could have made us to automatically believe in Him and accept His son Jesus. God did not do that. He gave us the free will to choose. How dare any human take away the free will of another human. I wonder if any of these &#8220;defectors&#8221; get any any kind of help reversing the brainwashing that has occurred? Please don&#8217;t stop the exposure of these people. This is not a church. I do believe this show will help people learn about a terror that should be exposed. I will pray for everyone involved. God is always there. Jesus paid the price. Believe in Him. God is love. Nothing about Scientology has even a tiny hint of love.</p>
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		By: Title Waves		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Aug 2017 17:40:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientologys-aftermath/#comment-185311&quot;&gt;#1 Son&lt;/a&gt;.

#1 son, we must have had the same roommate because I doubt this is very prevalent in Scientology since they are &quot;so ethical.&quot; 

Yeah right!!! If you believe that, I know of a bridge somewhere you can buy...

I rented my home out to two Scientology staff members.  And because they were on staff, I rented at a loss to be charitable.  

One staff member left her pets with me while she went away for days. Surprise!

When I went out of town, I came back to find every square inch of my one-year-old carpets covered in pet urine.  I also discovered missing artwork near and dear to me among other thefts I won&#039;t get into..

You are more courageous than me because I never called the police. I tried to just &quot;handle it internally&quot; as they say...

We know how that goes.. Ahem!

The rent owed to me was never paid in full or on time and the damages into thousands of dollars, I never recovered. 

It wasn&#039;t those damages that were the most hurtful, it was the lost artwork that had been given to me by someone who&#039;d died recently.

The two staff members left very abruptly and refused to speak with me.  The person did not change their mailing address for some months.  The mail consisted of demand notices from collection agencies and for unpaid parking tickets.

As I write this, one of these two is currently the executive director at a local org.  

S*** rolls down hill.  There is a pervasive culture in this rip-off organization that says it&#039;s okay to commit criminal and harmful acts. For the person harmed, &quot;pulled it in. &quot; 

Without exception, the offenders are ALWAYS protected.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientologys-aftermath/#comment-185311">#1 Son</a>.</p>
<p>#1 son, we must have had the same roommate because I doubt this is very prevalent in Scientology since they are &#8220;so ethical.&#8221; </p>
<p>Yeah right!!! If you believe that, I know of a bridge somewhere you can buy&#8230;</p>
<p>I rented my home out to two Scientology staff members.  And because they were on staff, I rented at a loss to be charitable.  </p>
<p>One staff member left her pets with me while she went away for days. Surprise!</p>
<p>When I went out of town, I came back to find every square inch of my one-year-old carpets covered in pet urine.  I also discovered missing artwork near and dear to me among other thefts I won&#8217;t get into..</p>
<p>You are more courageous than me because I never called the police. I tried to just &#8220;handle it internally&#8221; as they say&#8230;</p>
<p>We know how that goes.. Ahem!</p>
<p>The rent owed to me was never paid in full or on time and the damages into thousands of dollars, I never recovered. </p>
<p>It wasn&#8217;t those damages that were the most hurtful, it was the lost artwork that had been given to me by someone who&#8217;d died recently.</p>
<p>The two staff members left very abruptly and refused to speak with me.  The person did not change their mailing address for some months.  The mail consisted of demand notices from collection agencies and for unpaid parking tickets.</p>
<p>As I write this, one of these two is currently the executive director at a local org.  </p>
<p>S*** rolls down hill.  There is a pervasive culture in this rip-off organization that says it&#8217;s okay to commit criminal and harmful acts. For the person harmed, &#8220;pulled it in. &#8221; </p>
<p>Without exception, the offenders are ALWAYS protected.</p>
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		By: Laura		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Aug 2017 03:27:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hello 
 
   I was watching a repeat S2E1 today and it was the first time I saw that one. While watching one of the victims mentioned she was forced to sign an agreement that stated she would not sue her father or the church, before she was allowed to leave the organisation. Based on the way it was described the agreement sounds like it was signed under duress and is unenforceable. It may be an idea to help her look into filing that lawsuit. The best way to make an organisation like that change is to show them it will cost them way more to ignore things like that. Also it sounds like they were the victims of essential forced slave labor maybe they could both look into filing a lawsuit to help them survive life. 

    They could argue that Scientology took upon the responsibility to prepare them for life and teach them the basics they will need in order to take care of themselves,Since the church failed to even attempt to properly educate them the church should be held accountable and forced to give them the means to obtain the knowledge and education they were not provided.

   I did want to make a bit of a rebuttal to the stated view on reincarnation. I should start by stating I am a witch and a very well educated one. In the show Leah stated ( i&#039;m heavily paraphrasing) that re-incarnation was a dangerous belief because it eliminates family connections.  I would like to respond to that idea by saying: Don&#039;t confuse the cult like indoctrination tactic with the very valid religious belief. Scientology (appears) to isolate the practitioners to make them more receptacle to being controlled. As a result they tell you to view reincarnation in a way that makes you feel less connected to your family. As a result you will be left feeling less connected to them and more controllable. I would argue that in reality the fact that we will be reborn again over and over would actually make us more connected. Often spirits will be drawn together and life after life a mother could end up being the grand daughter of her daughter. Knowing that we could be reborn with the same people life after life means we should fell more connected to our family. It also should remind us that we need to teach our children how to be good parents if for no other reason then to help ourselves have happier future lives. 

    The same root concept and religious believe but 2 very different perspectives on the consequences. I would say it appears that Scientology twits it to create an effect that is ultimately harmful and only beneficial to the small group of people running the church. Unfortunately this can happen to almost any religious concept. That is why Blind Faith is dangerous and can only really be overcome by open communication, honest dialog and continual learning about all points of view. I would Like to commend you on you attempts to help open those lines of communication and help bring to lite the very real danger, of any religion, that states &quot;these people can do no wrong, so don&#039;t tell anyone that thing they did&quot;. 

Laura :)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello </p>
<p>   I was watching a repeat S2E1 today and it was the first time I saw that one. While watching one of the victims mentioned she was forced to sign an agreement that stated she would not sue her father or the church, before she was allowed to leave the organisation. Based on the way it was described the agreement sounds like it was signed under duress and is unenforceable. It may be an idea to help her look into filing that lawsuit. The best way to make an organisation like that change is to show them it will cost them way more to ignore things like that. Also it sounds like they were the victims of essential forced slave labor maybe they could both look into filing a lawsuit to help them survive life. </p>
<p>    They could argue that Scientology took upon the responsibility to prepare them for life and teach them the basics they will need in order to take care of themselves,Since the church failed to even attempt to properly educate them the church should be held accountable and forced to give them the means to obtain the knowledge and education they were not provided.</p>
<p>   I did want to make a bit of a rebuttal to the stated view on reincarnation. I should start by stating I am a witch and a very well educated one. In the show Leah stated ( i&#8217;m heavily paraphrasing) that re-incarnation was a dangerous belief because it eliminates family connections.  I would like to respond to that idea by saying: Don&#8217;t confuse the cult like indoctrination tactic with the very valid religious belief. Scientology (appears) to isolate the practitioners to make them more receptacle to being controlled. As a result they tell you to view reincarnation in a way that makes you feel less connected to your family. As a result you will be left feeling less connected to them and more controllable. I would argue that in reality the fact that we will be reborn again over and over would actually make us more connected. Often spirits will be drawn together and life after life a mother could end up being the grand daughter of her daughter. Knowing that we could be reborn with the same people life after life means we should fell more connected to our family. It also should remind us that we need to teach our children how to be good parents if for no other reason then to help ourselves have happier future lives. </p>
<p>    The same root concept and religious believe but 2 very different perspectives on the consequences. I would say it appears that Scientology twits it to create an effect that is ultimately harmful and only beneficial to the small group of people running the church. Unfortunately this can happen to almost any religious concept. That is why Blind Faith is dangerous and can only really be overcome by open communication, honest dialog and continual learning about all points of view. I would Like to commend you on you attempts to help open those lines of communication and help bring to lite the very real danger, of any religion, that states &#8220;these people can do no wrong, so don&#8217;t tell anyone that thing they did&#8221;. </p>
<p>Laura 🙂</p>
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		By: Susan Winter		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Aug 2017 12:04:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientologys-aftermath/#comment-185311&quot;&gt;#1 Son&lt;/a&gt;.

Son,  what a terrible ordeal. You are stronger than I, no doubt about it. Continue to fight for a life with inalienable rights. No &quot;religion&quot; can take those away. In fact, the very idea that Scion WOULD try to deny you basic human rights is a huge red flag: Look at me! I am worth more than you... because I&#039;m a Scientology sheeple!  Disgusting.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientologys-aftermath/#comment-185311">#1 Son</a>.</p>
<p>Son,  what a terrible ordeal. You are stronger than I, no doubt about it. Continue to fight for a life with inalienable rights. No &#8220;religion&#8221; can take those away. In fact, the very idea that Scion WOULD try to deny you basic human rights is a huge red flag: Look at me! I am worth more than you&#8230; because I&#8217;m a Scientology sheeple!  Disgusting.</p>
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		By: #1 Son		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Aug 2017 06:26:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientologys-aftermath/#comment-185251&quot;&gt;Susan Winter&lt;/a&gt;.

I missed the show tonight, traveling for work.  I did purchase the first season from Amazon though.  I was so thrilled to hear the show is on its second season.  Holy cow!  After watching the first episode, I was almost convinced I could speak out.  After watching Mike&#039;s story...Ill be quiet a bit longer.

I did go see my sister when she, her husband and her newborn were in Clearwater.  The baby was three by then and I was appalled at how filthy she was and her rotting teeth.  My sister had disconnected from our parents and moved after they left SCN.  I had too, but later the love of a good man helped me reconnect with them.  That same good man stood by me in the living room of the house where I had rented a room from a Scientologist who was the world&#039;s worst roommate.  I finally deducted money from my rent check for the property her pets damaged and the food she ate, and she locked me out.  Of course I called the police.  They convinced her she had to let me in something about proper legal eviction statutes. When I got in she was on my phone with some ethics officer I&#039;d never met.  She hands me the phone and this woman is screaming and cursing at me!!!  I held the phone out so our LAPD guests could hear.  Ultimately, I told her that I knew my rights.  She lost it!  You value your rights as an American over your rights as a Scientologist????, she screamed.  

Yes...yes I do.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientologys-aftermath/#comment-185251">Susan Winter</a>.</p>
<p>I missed the show tonight, traveling for work.  I did purchase the first season from Amazon though.  I was so thrilled to hear the show is on its second season.  Holy cow!  After watching the first episode, I was almost convinced I could speak out.  After watching Mike&#8217;s story&#8230;Ill be quiet a bit longer.</p>
<p>I did go see my sister when she, her husband and her newborn were in Clearwater.  The baby was three by then and I was appalled at how filthy she was and her rotting teeth.  My sister had disconnected from our parents and moved after they left SCN.  I had too, but later the love of a good man helped me reconnect with them.  That same good man stood by me in the living room of the house where I had rented a room from a Scientologist who was the world&#8217;s worst roommate.  I finally deducted money from my rent check for the property her pets damaged and the food she ate, and she locked me out.  Of course I called the police.  They convinced her she had to let me in something about proper legal eviction statutes. When I got in she was on my phone with some ethics officer I&#8217;d never met.  She hands me the phone and this woman is screaming and cursing at me!!!  I held the phone out so our LAPD guests could hear.  Ultimately, I told her that I knew my rights.  She lost it!  You value your rights as an American over your rights as a Scientologist????, she screamed.  </p>
<p>Yes&#8230;yes I do.</p>
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		By: Susan Winter		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Aug 2017 23:06:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientologys-aftermath/#comment-184903&quot;&gt;#1 Son&lt;/a&gt;.

I hope you watch the shows... they are packed full of compassion and encouragement for those who&#039;ve been hurt.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientologys-aftermath/#comment-184903">#1 Son</a>.</p>
<p>I hope you watch the shows&#8230; they are packed full of compassion and encouragement for those who&#8217;ve been hurt.</p>
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		By: Mike Rinder		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Aug 2017 06:11:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientologys-aftermath/#comment-184903&quot;&gt;#1 Son&lt;/a&gt;.

Unfortunately, the lessons they DID learn from WACO and other things is &quot;steer clear, you end up with egg on your face, shirt, shoes and everywhere else.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientologys-aftermath/#comment-184903">#1 Son</a>.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, the lessons they DID learn from WACO and other things is &#8220;steer clear, you end up with egg on your face, shirt, shoes and everywhere else.&#8221;</p>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Aug 2017 05:06:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I just recently heard about Leah&#039;s show.  My first reaction was heart palpitations.  Since leaving Flag in 74 (yes I served with Lois, Gary, Dee Dee, Jill, the Gillhams, Tonja, Claire and Shelly...with her goofy split earlobe) I steer clear of the stories.  So many brave people have spoken out. So many people who attacked my parents when they left are out and are lofty anti-SCNers, vlogging on YouTube.  I don&#039;t consider them brave.

I did a quick search on the web today for Leah&#039;s show. First thing that came up was an SCN piece on how terrible she is.  After Money eh?  Now isn&#039;t that the pot calling the kettle black.  I hope she makes millions!

I&#039;m not one of those that SCN can claim to be a disgruntled, discredited member.  My sister has asked me for years to write a book.  It will never happen.  What I don&#039;t understand is why our government hasn&#039;t learned any lessons from Jonestown, or Waco...  what is it going to take to shut this monster down?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just recently heard about Leah&#8217;s show.  My first reaction was heart palpitations.  Since leaving Flag in 74 (yes I served with Lois, Gary, Dee Dee, Jill, the Gillhams, Tonja, Claire and Shelly&#8230;with her goofy split earlobe) I steer clear of the stories.  So many brave people have spoken out. So many people who attacked my parents when they left are out and are lofty anti-SCNers, vlogging on YouTube.  I don&#8217;t consider them brave.</p>
<p>I did a quick search on the web today for Leah&#8217;s show. First thing that came up was an SCN piece on how terrible she is.  After Money eh?  Now isn&#8217;t that the pot calling the kettle black.  I hope she makes millions!</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not one of those that SCN can claim to be a disgruntled, discredited member.  My sister has asked me for years to write a book.  It will never happen.  What I don&#8217;t understand is why our government hasn&#8217;t learned any lessons from Jonestown, or Waco&#8230;  what is it going to take to shut this monster down?</p>
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		By: karmareaper		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Aug 2017 11:21:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Mike, you could have cashed your chips in long ago and disappeared from this sordid scene.... Walked off into the sunset with your family until the cult was just an unpleasant hazy dream. No one would have blamed you and many others have done so seeking much deserved healing. Yet you&#039;ve chosen to stay and fight the good fight..remaining in the cross hairs of a cult that shows no restraint against it&#039;s enemies. You have recognized that you can&#039;t undo the past but you can make amends in spite of the costs. You&#039;re navigating a path littered with skeletons. This path has cost many good people their sanity, humanity and even their lives. For this I say Bravo to you good sir. Thank you for your courage and kindness. Thank you for being willing to face the wreckage in which you once played a part and reaching out a hand to the survivors. Your actions are far reaching and have helped many more than you will ever know.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike, you could have cashed your chips in long ago and disappeared from this sordid scene&#8230;. Walked off into the sunset with your family until the cult was just an unpleasant hazy dream. No one would have blamed you and many others have done so seeking much deserved healing. Yet you&#8217;ve chosen to stay and fight the good fight..remaining in the cross hairs of a cult that shows no restraint against it&#8217;s enemies. You have recognized that you can&#8217;t undo the past but you can make amends in spite of the costs. You&#8217;re navigating a path littered with skeletons. This path has cost many good people their sanity, humanity and even their lives. For this I say Bravo to you good sir. Thank you for your courage and kindness. Thank you for being willing to face the wreckage in which you once played a part and reaching out a hand to the survivors. Your actions are far reaching and have helped many more than you will ever know.</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Aug 2017 22:50:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientologys-aftermath/#comment-184734&quot;&gt;Balletlady&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks, Balletlady, it makes me laugh too.  Its someone else&#039;s creation, though.   I picked it off of Tony O&#039;s blog a few years ago.]]></description>
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<p>Thanks, Balletlady, it makes me laugh too.  Its someone else&#8217;s creation, though.   I picked it off of Tony O&#8217;s blog a few years ago.</p>
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