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		By: Mike Laws		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Laws]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2017 18:43:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientologys-files-fixation/#comment-163615&quot;&gt;Mike Rinder&lt;/a&gt;.

Mike, When I was in RTC, 80&#039;s, someone started a campaign of taking the pre paid business reply envelope and taping it to a brick, cinder block, car parts, piece of tree stump.  It was a pretty good way to get off the mailing list when you had to justify these mail costs of FP.  I remember it happening in Dallas too, where it created a more sever reaction, because CC Dallas actually had to earn its money, didn&#039;t get to arbitrarily charge the Scilon Empire what it felt it was worth to ensure an ever growing + on the cash bills, plus back charge most large unexpected expenses to Sea Org Reserves.  Cash on hand over bills was something like $30,000,000 last time I heard.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientologys-files-fixation/#comment-163615">Mike Rinder</a>.</p>
<p>Mike, When I was in RTC, 80&#8217;s, someone started a campaign of taking the pre paid business reply envelope and taping it to a brick, cinder block, car parts, piece of tree stump.  It was a pretty good way to get off the mailing list when you had to justify these mail costs of FP.  I remember it happening in Dallas too, where it created a more sever reaction, because CC Dallas actually had to earn its money, didn&#8217;t get to arbitrarily charge the Scilon Empire what it felt it was worth to ensure an ever growing + on the cash bills, plus back charge most large unexpected expenses to Sea Org Reserves.  Cash on hand over bills was something like $30,000,000 last time I heard.</p>
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		By: Mike Laws		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2017 18:36:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientologys-files-fixation/#comment-163657&quot;&gt;Mike Rinder&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks, with data storage as cheap as it is, I thought they might be storing indefinitely, perhaps even on the cloud, quite terrifying from a a parishioner security perspective.  I believe I remember some spokesman acknowledging recording sessions for training and quality control purposes, or perhaps it was Laura&#039;s law suit, and I would have expected them to follow up with a comment that these recordings are only kept for 90 days or some such.

In the 80&#039;s, when I was Reports Officer RTC and CIC RTC, I was working for months with INCOMM personnel to design a program to speed up Hubbard&#039;s cross file policy for Intelligence data, collecting everything from Ethics data through PC data though ODC and CDC data.  If it wasn&#039;t for evil means, it was actually a pretty amazing project, really intricate and sophisticated.  Anthony Pouw, I think was the name of the programmer I was working with; those were the days where Scientology was actually trying to be a pioneering force in IT.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientologys-files-fixation/#comment-163657">Mike Rinder</a>.</p>
<p>Thanks, with data storage as cheap as it is, I thought they might be storing indefinitely, perhaps even on the cloud, quite terrifying from a a parishioner security perspective.  I believe I remember some spokesman acknowledging recording sessions for training and quality control purposes, or perhaps it was Laura&#8217;s law suit, and I would have expected them to follow up with a comment that these recordings are only kept for 90 days or some such.</p>
<p>In the 80&#8217;s, when I was Reports Officer RTC and CIC RTC, I was working for months with INCOMM personnel to design a program to speed up Hubbard&#8217;s cross file policy for Intelligence data, collecting everything from Ethics data through PC data though ODC and CDC data.  If it wasn&#8217;t for evil means, it was actually a pretty amazing project, really intricate and sophisticated.  Anthony Pouw, I think was the name of the programmer I was working with; those were the days where Scientology was actually trying to be a pioneering force in IT.</p>
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		By: Mike Wynski		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2017 12:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientologys-files-fixation/#comment-163703&quot;&gt;Jeffrey Sands&lt;/a&gt;.

snort!]]></description>
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<p>snort!</p>
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		By: Countmeinthetans		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2017 21:34:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientologys-files-fixation/#comment-163734&quot;&gt;Happy Texan&lt;/a&gt;.

Dear Happy Texan, 
         You never know,  you may have made a real difference in someone&#039;s life. It could be one of the minions you spoke with took your words to heart and defected. That person might pass that message along to someone else, etc, etc. You did them a real kindness. I&#039;d pat you on the back if I could reach you. Go to bed this evening aware you might just saved somebody from their living hell.?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientologys-files-fixation/#comment-163734">Happy Texan</a>.</p>
<p>Dear Happy Texan,<br />
         You never know,  you may have made a real difference in someone&#8217;s life. It could be one of the minions you spoke with took your words to heart and defected. That person might pass that message along to someone else, etc, etc. You did them a real kindness. I&#8217;d pat you on the back if I could reach you. Go to bed this evening aware you might just saved somebody from their living hell.?</p>
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		By: secretfornow		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2017 21:27:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientologys-files-fixation/#comment-163731&quot;&gt;John P. Capitalist&lt;/a&gt;.

A Flag Accomodations Registrar told me that ALL money for services went straight to Int Management and that Int was supported by Flag.  Flag itself was only supported by the income from the Accomodations income.  Money paid for hotel and food had to support all of the SO at Flag - the cost of running the buildings, staff uniforms and food, ALL BILLS.  

She was explaining why it was so important to have Flag public stay in the hotels and why we weren&#039;t allowed to live off base. (ie, somewhere other than the hotels)  The only people who can live off base are locals or people who can&#039;t stay on base due to Flag rules.  (heart attack risks, other medical risks and some sort of security risks)

There were a bunch of &quot;flaps&quot; about locals renting rooms to out-of-towners and ongoing ethics and justice actions against them.  They were accused of ripping off Flag, of leeching off Flag, of stealing Flag public, and so on.

..
There is policy on the financial planning of an org, and in a class V org a percentage of the income made from selling auditing and training (ten percent? five? I forget) goes to INT to support Int management.   I brought this up, as it was amazing to me that ALL income from services went to INT!  She said that the orgs worldwide made so little money that INT could never survive on that small amount, and that Flag had funded management for years.

.......
the fight about staying off base has been going on for years.  The rules and enforcement have fluctuated.  I knew a bunch of people on VII who would buy into a Condo unit, a bunch of VIIs all sharing one place to stay in during their 6 month checks.  Then this was being outlawed ..etc.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientologys-files-fixation/#comment-163731">John P. Capitalist</a>.</p>
<p>A Flag Accomodations Registrar told me that ALL money for services went straight to Int Management and that Int was supported by Flag.  Flag itself was only supported by the income from the Accomodations income.  Money paid for hotel and food had to support all of the SO at Flag &#8211; the cost of running the buildings, staff uniforms and food, ALL BILLS.  </p>
<p>She was explaining why it was so important to have Flag public stay in the hotels and why we weren&#8217;t allowed to live off base. (ie, somewhere other than the hotels)  The only people who can live off base are locals or people who can&#8217;t stay on base due to Flag rules.  (heart attack risks, other medical risks and some sort of security risks)</p>
<p>There were a bunch of &#8220;flaps&#8221; about locals renting rooms to out-of-towners and ongoing ethics and justice actions against them.  They were accused of ripping off Flag, of leeching off Flag, of stealing Flag public, and so on.</p>
<p>..<br />
There is policy on the financial planning of an org, and in a class V org a percentage of the income made from selling auditing and training (ten percent? five? I forget) goes to INT to support Int management.   I brought this up, as it was amazing to me that ALL income from services went to INT!  She said that the orgs worldwide made so little money that INT could never survive on that small amount, and that Flag had funded management for years.</p>
<p>&#8230;&#8230;.<br />
the fight about staying off base has been going on for years.  The rules and enforcement have fluctuated.  I knew a bunch of people on VII who would buy into a Condo unit, a bunch of VIIs all sharing one place to stay in during their 6 month checks.  Then this was being outlawed ..etc.</p>
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		By: Cece		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2017 20:15:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientologys-files-fixation/#comment-163731&quot;&gt;John P. Capitalist&lt;/a&gt;.

To answer JP, all the services go in one pot.  Room and food another and book sales another.  Unless there is a Super Power Org but don&#039;t think so or it would be broadcast as adding to the numbers.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientologys-files-fixation/#comment-163731">John P. Capitalist</a>.</p>
<p>To answer JP, all the services go in one pot.  Room and food another and book sales another.  Unless there is a Super Power Org but don&#8217;t think so or it would be broadcast as adding to the numbers.</p>
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		By: PeaceMaker		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2017 19:26:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientologys-files-fixation/#comment-163804&quot;&gt;Infinitely More Trouble&lt;/a&gt;.

I know that some of the mail that I receive has a note printed on it to the effect &quot;return service requested,&quot; something that I think I remember seeing is an extra charge per piece that requires the service.

According to the reports we see, org&#039;s central files do get back undeliverable mail, so at least some of what they send out must fall into a category that can be returned - probably, again, at extra cost.  

It would not surprise me if Scientology was paying for some extra service that almost no other mailer bothers with.  Hopefully someone familiar with the details can contribute knowledge about what exactly they do.

The other interesting twist, is that the Postal Service will provide electronic notifications of address changes, but I don&#039;t know how orgs would or could integrate that into their manual filing systems.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientologys-files-fixation/#comment-163804">Infinitely More Trouble</a>.</p>
<p>I know that some of the mail that I receive has a note printed on it to the effect &#8220;return service requested,&#8221; something that I think I remember seeing is an extra charge per piece that requires the service.</p>
<p>According to the reports we see, org&#8217;s central files do get back undeliverable mail, so at least some of what they send out must fall into a category that can be returned &#8211; probably, again, at extra cost.  </p>
<p>It would not surprise me if Scientology was paying for some extra service that almost no other mailer bothers with.  Hopefully someone familiar with the details can contribute knowledge about what exactly they do.</p>
<p>The other interesting twist, is that the Postal Service will provide electronic notifications of address changes, but I don&#8217;t know how orgs would or could integrate that into their manual filing systems.</p>
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		By: Infinitely More Trouble		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2017 18:12:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientologys-files-fixation/#comment-163770&quot;&gt;L Yash&lt;/a&gt;.

The US Postal Service discards undeliverable bulk mail. (Source: my father worked for the post office for thirty years.) Nearly all of Scientology&#039;s mail is bulk rate and the post office does not get paid enough or have enough resources to follow up on their lowest-margin business. It&#039;s actually a problem in the US: my 94 year-old grandmother receives scads of scammy bulk mail solicitations, especially from questionable charities. All this bulk mail is in fact one of the USPS&#039;s few remaining profit centers -- as long as they don&#039;t monitor or police it in any way by paying employees to do so. 

Thus these scammy charities and cults keep sending out reams of bulk mail which will never be corrected because the USPS doesn&#039;t want to lose one of its last sources of easy revenue.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientologys-files-fixation/#comment-163770">L Yash</a>.</p>
<p>The US Postal Service discards undeliverable bulk mail. (Source: my father worked for the post office for thirty years.) Nearly all of Scientology&#8217;s mail is bulk rate and the post office does not get paid enough or have enough resources to follow up on their lowest-margin business. It&#8217;s actually a problem in the US: my 94 year-old grandmother receives scads of scammy bulk mail solicitations, especially from questionable charities. All this bulk mail is in fact one of the USPS&#8217;s few remaining profit centers &#8212; as long as they don&#8217;t monitor or police it in any way by paying employees to do so. </p>
<p>Thus these scammy charities and cults keep sending out reams of bulk mail which will never be corrected because the USPS doesn&#8217;t want to lose one of its last sources of easy revenue.</p>
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		By: L Yash		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2017 16:35:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientologys-files-fixation/#comment-163735&quot;&gt;RedShoeLady&lt;/a&gt;.

Seeing Leah melt into tears of thankfulness at the end of Aftermath 2, for the viewer support was uplifting....to know how much our support is appreciated.  To hear you Mike, saying &quot;I am NOT going to stop&quot;.....amazing.  We realize how much this takes out of everyone involved..to crack open the door of COS and into your own private former life and dedication to &quot;the organization&quot; and then to do a complete turn around AFTER you realized the truth....and to share that with everyone...made a huge difference to many.  
Millions had no idea what goes on behind the inner workings of COS and how they &quot;suck you in&quot; and then take all from you, including you will ,freedom, finances, and then when you want to escape. take away the most precious of all....your family. .
I always thought there was something &quot;off&quot; about Scientology....TC did no favors to it with his interview with Matt Lauer and his statement on Brooke Shields....THAT began my own questions and investigations into what&#039;s really going on .behind the closed doors of COS.

A church should have NO SECRETS.....that&#039;s why it appears this seems more like a cult or organization than an actual church.  Looking forward to Aftermath #3]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientologys-files-fixation/#comment-163735">RedShoeLady</a>.</p>
<p>Seeing Leah melt into tears of thankfulness at the end of Aftermath 2, for the viewer support was uplifting&#8230;.to know how much our support is appreciated.  To hear you Mike, saying &#8220;I am NOT going to stop&#8221;&#8230;..amazing.  We realize how much this takes out of everyone involved..to crack open the door of COS and into your own private former life and dedication to &#8220;the organization&#8221; and then to do a complete turn around AFTER you realized the truth&#8230;.and to share that with everyone&#8230;made a huge difference to many.<br />
Millions had no idea what goes on behind the inner workings of COS and how they &#8220;suck you in&#8221; and then take all from you, including you will ,freedom, finances, and then when you want to escape. take away the most precious of all&#8230;.your family. .<br />
I always thought there was something &#8220;off&#8221; about Scientology&#8230;.TC did no favors to it with his interview with Matt Lauer and his statement on Brooke Shields&#8230;.THAT began my own questions and investigations into what&#8217;s really going on .behind the closed doors of COS.</p>
<p>A church should have NO SECRETS&#8230;..that&#8217;s why it appears this seems more like a cult or organization than an actual church.  Looking forward to Aftermath #3</p>
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		By: Gravitysucks		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2017 16:11:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientologys-files-fixation/#comment-163755&quot;&gt;Notreally Myname&lt;/a&gt;.

So, maybe they aren&#039;t growing as fast as they would like us to think. Hmm. 

But, according to Hubbard, files must be kept. Into infinity, it appears? A billion years? Dammit.

I worked in a huge corporate hospital that bought ailing community hospitals, ran them into the ground, then closed them. We had lots of paper filing, orders, reports, xray filing. The law is that medical records of all kinds must be kept for 5 years. 
It CAN be a massive job. I did well at it, my director was just happy it was done, he wasnt a nit picker!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientologys-files-fixation/#comment-163755">Notreally Myname</a>.</p>
<p>So, maybe they aren&#8217;t growing as fast as they would like us to think. Hmm. </p>
<p>But, according to Hubbard, files must be kept. Into infinity, it appears? A billion years? Dammit.</p>
<p>I worked in a huge corporate hospital that bought ailing community hospitals, ran them into the ground, then closed them. We had lots of paper filing, orders, reports, xray filing. The law is that medical records of all kinds must be kept for 5 years.<br />
It CAN be a massive job. I did well at it, my director was just happy it was done, he wasnt a nit picker!</p>
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