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		By: Gus Cox		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Aug 2017 00:21:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientologys-latest-whinesmear/#comment-186035&quot;&gt;roatan55&lt;/a&gt;.

The Fatman also decreed that it was warm in space, and that there were trains on Mars.  Or was it Venus?  What&#039;s the difference, it&#039;s asinine.]]></description>
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<p>The Fatman also decreed that it was warm in space, and that there were trains on Mars.  Or was it Venus?  What&#8217;s the difference, it&#8217;s asinine.</p>
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		By: Teen		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientologys-latest-whinesmear/#comment-186616</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Aug 2017 04:12:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientologys-latest-whinesmear/#comment-186057&quot;&gt;chuckbeattyxquackologist75to03&lt;/a&gt;.

Hunmanistic Lawyer is an oxymoron at Scn.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientologys-latest-whinesmear/#comment-186057">chuckbeattyxquackologist75to03</a>.</p>
<p>Hunmanistic Lawyer is an oxymoron at Scn.</p>
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		By: Teen		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Aug 2017 04:04:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientologys-latest-whinesmear/#comment-186099&quot;&gt;#1 Son&lt;/a&gt;.

Lol...  The guy was nuts...]]></description>
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<p>Lol&#8230;  The guy was nuts&#8230;</p>
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		By: Teen		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Aug 2017 03:59:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientologys-latest-whinesmear/#comment-186097&quot;&gt;#1 Son&lt;/a&gt;.

LOL?..  Just rewards!  Non-believers are brought to the cross via ministry in church every day.  I say, &quot;infiltrate!!!&quot;]]></description>
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<p>LOL?..  Just rewards!  Non-believers are brought to the cross via ministry in church every day.  I say, &#8220;infiltrate!!!&#8221;</p>
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		By: Teen		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Aug 2017 03:49:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientologys-latest-whinesmear/#comment-186128&quot;&gt;Thetaclear&lt;/a&gt;.

I respectfully wish to offer another view to counter your thoughts:

1). Some individuals still in the bubble may very well remain regardless of abuse/cult exposure; however, these individuals are worth us fighting for and never giving up on.  Human beings have free will hence, world views can alter when given the opportunity to explore free thinking.  Also, we don&#039;t ever want to give up hope that continuing exposure of the cult of Scn will untimately provide opportunities to reunite families.  They are far from a &quot;lost cause&quot;.

If, once radical Islamists, can convert to Christianity (as there are hundreds of thousands of testimonials to this fact) and if long-term affirming agnostics can be enlightened to other possibilities enough that they explore alternate belief systems, than surely, there is hope that an ex-Scn can see the bigger picture and be enlightened.

2). Regarding your quote:  &quot;The Aftermath should also focus on (at least in one episode) in educating others about how Scn is a cult&quot;.  

In Every episode, the viewing audience has been given countless testimonies, LRH writings, Scn philosophies, organizational inner workings, gear of leadership, brainwashing indoctrination procedures, money cultivation processes, etc. that clearly illustrate cultism.  Viewers can only come to one understanding based on these facts.  Scn is a cult!!!   Season 1 did more than a &quot;small part&quot; of this exposure.  That hit the ball out of the ballpark!!!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientologys-latest-whinesmear/#comment-186128">Thetaclear</a>.</p>
<p>I respectfully wish to offer another view to counter your thoughts:</p>
<p>1). Some individuals still in the bubble may very well remain regardless of abuse/cult exposure; however, these individuals are worth us fighting for and never giving up on.  Human beings have free will hence, world views can alter when given the opportunity to explore free thinking.  Also, we don&#8217;t ever want to give up hope that continuing exposure of the cult of Scn will untimately provide opportunities to reunite families.  They are far from a &#8220;lost cause&#8221;.</p>
<p>If, once radical Islamists, can convert to Christianity (as there are hundreds of thousands of testimonials to this fact) and if long-term affirming agnostics can be enlightened to other possibilities enough that they explore alternate belief systems, than surely, there is hope that an ex-Scn can see the bigger picture and be enlightened.</p>
<p>2). Regarding your quote:  &#8220;The Aftermath should also focus on (at least in one episode) in educating others about how Scn is a cult&#8221;.  </p>
<p>In Every episode, the viewing audience has been given countless testimonies, LRH writings, Scn philosophies, organizational inner workings, gear of leadership, brainwashing indoctrination procedures, money cultivation processes, etc. that clearly illustrate cultism.  Viewers can only come to one understanding based on these facts.  Scn is a cult!!!   Season 1 did more than a &#8220;small part&#8221; of this exposure.  That hit the ball out of the ballpark!!!</p>
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		By: Teen		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Aug 2017 03:16:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientologys-latest-whinesmear/#comment-186084&quot;&gt;Luv2LuvEm&lt;/a&gt;.

Very insightful tie-in to the fundamental constraints of Scn.]]></description>
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<p>Very insightful tie-in to the fundamental constraints of Scn.</p>
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		By: Brian		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Aug 2017 14:51:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientologys-latest-whinesmear/#comment-186197&quot;&gt;Brian&lt;/a&gt;.

I treat true believers like the young 4 year old boy dressed up like a fireman. The little boy really believes he&#039;s a fireman. He is certain of it.

So as an adult I don&#039;t say to the little boy,&quot; you are not a real fireman, you are just playing!&quot;

That would make the little boy cry. So I simply allow true believers to stay asleep in the slumbering make believe of false knowledge and imagination.

Some people are not ready for their imaginary bubble to burst. 

When mine wasn&#039;t ready to burst I just saw critics as SPs. This doctrine acts like anesthesia and I would simply go back to sleep:

Clinging to my ignorance as holy and true.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientologys-latest-whinesmear/#comment-186197">Brian</a>.</p>
<p>I treat true believers like the young 4 year old boy dressed up like a fireman. The little boy really believes he&#8217;s a fireman. He is certain of it.</p>
<p>So as an adult I don&#8217;t say to the little boy,&#8221; you are not a real fireman, you are just playing!&#8221;</p>
<p>That would make the little boy cry. So I simply allow true believers to stay asleep in the slumbering make believe of false knowledge and imagination.</p>
<p>Some people are not ready for their imaginary bubble to burst. </p>
<p>When mine wasn&#8217;t ready to burst I just saw critics as SPs. This doctrine acts like anesthesia and I would simply go back to sleep:</p>
<p>Clinging to my ignorance as holy and true.</p>
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		By: Brian		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Aug 2017 03:01:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientologys-latest-whinesmear/#comment-186112&quot;&gt;Jonathan Mark&lt;/a&gt;.

Ron had no 8th dynamic. Anyone who could create a black ops military to destroy critics has no idea or direct experience of the true nature of God.

If God is the totality of all, then we are all part of that. People who love God and seek God, strive to love human beings, even the bad ones.

That is because human beings are made in the image of the Infinite Being. We are individuals and universal at the same time.

Anyone who preaches violence against critics is more on the demonic side of life. 

The wise love life. The ignorant, through egocentric selfish motives are destructive to life.

L Ron Hubbard has no idea what the 8th dynamic is. 

God to Hubbard was the all powerful individuated ego that could be at cause over others and things.

He was an ignorant man with a keen imagination and intellect.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientologys-latest-whinesmear/#comment-186112">Jonathan Mark</a>.</p>
<p>Ron had no 8th dynamic. Anyone who could create a black ops military to destroy critics has no idea or direct experience of the true nature of God.</p>
<p>If God is the totality of all, then we are all part of that. People who love God and seek God, strive to love human beings, even the bad ones.</p>
<p>That is because human beings are made in the image of the Infinite Being. We are individuals and universal at the same time.</p>
<p>Anyone who preaches violence against critics is more on the demonic side of life. </p>
<p>The wise love life. The ignorant, through egocentric selfish motives are destructive to life.</p>
<p>L Ron Hubbard has no idea what the 8th dynamic is. </p>
<p>God to Hubbard was the all powerful individuated ego that could be at cause over others and things.</p>
<p>He was an ignorant man with a keen imagination and intellect.</p>
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		By: Thetaclear		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Aug 2017 07:03:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientologys-latest-whinesmear/#comment-186197&quot;&gt;Brian&lt;/a&gt;.

“Therein lies the danger. The incorrect assignment of cause for everyday life challenges and experiences.”



Exactly!!!



“On the OT levels you pay big bucks to blame your condition on imaginary made up beings.”



Yeah, you got that right, Brian! 



“When we blame exterior causes for our condition, we surrender our power to change.”



The funny thing is, Brian, that LRH himself had that viewpoint, as described in “Advance Procedures and Axioms” (one of my favorite books from Scn) and in “Handbook for Preclears”. And that original viewpoint of his was intuitively truthful. In fact, every Bridge step up to NED seems reasonable even if they don&#039;t deliver the promised results. But the gradient scale of abilities gained, follows, IMHO, a logical path towards greater spiritual insights. But, from R6EW on, it gets weirder and weirder, and farther and farther from the original “You are Cause” principles. That&#039;s why I never did any “upper” level stuff; because they just weren&#039;t logical, and were actually contradictory to the “old” stuff that I had learned before. I thought that LRH must has gone crazy or something. 



“The OT levels distort our capacity to resolve issues because resolved issues require finding the correct root cause.”



The very sad thing is, Brian, that I have seen just THAT happening to quite a few Scientologists friends of mine. But trying to convince them, is extremely difficult most of the times. “Agreeing to disagree”, has mostly been my “solution”, :-(]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientologys-latest-whinesmear/#comment-186197">Brian</a>.</p>
<p>“Therein lies the danger. The incorrect assignment of cause for everyday life challenges and experiences.”</p>
<p>Exactly!!!</p>
<p>“On the OT levels you pay big bucks to blame your condition on imaginary made up beings.”</p>
<p>Yeah, you got that right, Brian! </p>
<p>“When we blame exterior causes for our condition, we surrender our power to change.”</p>
<p>The funny thing is, Brian, that LRH himself had that viewpoint, as described in “Advance Procedures and Axioms” (one of my favorite books from Scn) and in “Handbook for Preclears”. And that original viewpoint of his was intuitively truthful. In fact, every Bridge step up to NED seems reasonable even if they don&#8217;t deliver the promised results. But the gradient scale of abilities gained, follows, IMHO, a logical path towards greater spiritual insights. But, from R6EW on, it gets weirder and weirder, and farther and farther from the original “You are Cause” principles. That&#8217;s why I never did any “upper” level stuff; because they just weren&#8217;t logical, and were actually contradictory to the “old” stuff that I had learned before. I thought that LRH must has gone crazy or something. </p>
<p>“The OT levels distort our capacity to resolve issues because resolved issues require finding the correct root cause.”</p>
<p>The very sad thing is, Brian, that I have seen just THAT happening to quite a few Scientologists friends of mine. But trying to convince them, is extremely difficult most of the times. “Agreeing to disagree”, has mostly been my “solution”, 🙁</p>
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		By: Thetaclear		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Aug 2017 05:31:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientologys-latest-whinesmear/#comment-186210&quot;&gt;Bill de Carle&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;Sorry thetaclear, I should have put that phrase in quotes. I greatly respect and admire Mike and was not meaning to &#039;dis&#039; him.&quot;



My mistake then, Bill, :-)]]></description>
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<p>&#8220;Sorry thetaclear, I should have put that phrase in quotes. I greatly respect and admire Mike and was not meaning to &#8216;dis&#8217; him.&#8221;</p>
<p>My mistake then, Bill, 🙂</p>
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