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		By: iamvalkov		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientologys-view-on-psychiatry/#comment-58160</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2014 02:19:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientologys-view-on-psychiatry/#comment-57871&quot;&gt;Kemist&lt;/a&gt;.

Psychiatry is not a &#039;science&#039;.  It is at best a set of techniques  for trying to produce change in individuals,  like a kind of engineering.  Engineering is &#039;technology&#039;,  not &#039;science&#039;.  They do attempt to use science and research,  but psychiatry is not now mostly about the &#039;mind&#039;;  it is about trying to find drugs or other procedures or methods like TMS (Transcranial Magnetic Stimulation) that will solve certain kinds of symptoms or cause some kind of positive change or relief in a person&#039;s life.
TMS, bu the way, is/was an attempt to develop something that would impact the brains of depressed people in a less harmful way than ECT,  with fewer &#039;side-effects&#039;.   It is still being researched but apparently has produced a few positive results for some people.   Really, this avenue was pursued because the medical/psychiatric community does know that ECT often causes some bad permanent effects.  ECT does cause some brain damage, but unfortunately offers only temporary relief for many people so must be periodically repeated.  Thus the adverse effects are cumulative.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientologys-view-on-psychiatry/#comment-57871">Kemist</a>.</p>
<p>Psychiatry is not a &#8216;science&#8217;.  It is at best a set of techniques  for trying to produce change in individuals,  like a kind of engineering.  Engineering is &#8216;technology&#8217;,  not &#8216;science&#8217;.  They do attempt to use science and research,  but psychiatry is not now mostly about the &#8216;mind&#8217;;  it is about trying to find drugs or other procedures or methods like TMS (Transcranial Magnetic Stimulation) that will solve certain kinds of symptoms or cause some kind of positive change or relief in a person&#8217;s life.<br />
TMS, bu the way, is/was an attempt to develop something that would impact the brains of depressed people in a less harmful way than ECT,  with fewer &#8216;side-effects&#8217;.   It is still being researched but apparently has produced a few positive results for some people.   Really, this avenue was pursued because the medical/psychiatric community does know that ECT often causes some bad permanent effects.  ECT does cause some brain damage, but unfortunately offers only temporary relief for many people so must be periodically repeated.  Thus the adverse effects are cumulative.</p>
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		By: Hallie Jane		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2014 18:19:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sorry I&#039;m so late but I wanted to comment on this important topic.  The problem that CCHR has is dropped out time.   Both psychiatry and psychology have vastly changed and added valid science behind their subjects in the last many decades.  They are really not the same subjects.  I know psychology has gone a lot more practical.   I thought those LRH issues were over the top when I read them and didn&#039;t adopt those views.  Now they just seem irrelevant.  I have personally seen lives devastated by psyches where heavy drugs were given and the result was someone in much worse condition.  Their overt products are a serious problem.  I audited a shock case once, pre- illegal pcs, and the damage was quite terrible.  The person also got the shock when she was a teen, which was ordered by her crazy father, compounding her suffering.  I managed to get a nice life repair release on her anyway.  :)  The field of mental healing is rife with ignorance and failure.  Scn is not immune to this mental and physical torture either, as the many who have left the rcs can attest.  When mental or spiritual help is done with bad, other or weird intentions, harm usually occurs, compounding the original problem, that the person already had.  Cases can and are being damaged in the current rcs.   Anyone who has studied Scn. knows that bad incidents run in chains of similar incidents so the track is full of these abuses.  Someone like myself who has audited 1000s of hours, has heard many mind manipulating incidents, full of lots of charge and the psyches are right in there, with all the others types that would find such manipulation &quot;fun&quot;.  The priest, the mystic, the chaste woman, the doctor, the counselor, the psyche et al, who dot this landscape, can be described in present day terms, but the variety is broad.  Let&#039;s just call them crazy fuckers who enjoy torturing people.   Perhaps LRH lumped them under the term &quot;psyches&quot;, who knows.   I do know that these are major players in depositing large amounts of charge on the track that involve knowledge, the mind, religion, insanity and other very hot button issues for beings.  When a person is relieved of this charge, it is an amazing and humbling experience to watch.  All I can say is, if a person actually is their soul and has lived before, that these types of incidents have a huge impact on their well being and relief thereof, if they are handled terminatedly and of course, with love.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry I&#8217;m so late but I wanted to comment on this important topic.  The problem that CCHR has is dropped out time.   Both psychiatry and psychology have vastly changed and added valid science behind their subjects in the last many decades.  They are really not the same subjects.  I know psychology has gone a lot more practical.   I thought those LRH issues were over the top when I read them and didn&#8217;t adopt those views.  Now they just seem irrelevant.  I have personally seen lives devastated by psyches where heavy drugs were given and the result was someone in much worse condition.  Their overt products are a serious problem.  I audited a shock case once, pre- illegal pcs, and the damage was quite terrible.  The person also got the shock when she was a teen, which was ordered by her crazy father, compounding her suffering.  I managed to get a nice life repair release on her anyway.  🙂  The field of mental healing is rife with ignorance and failure.  Scn is not immune to this mental and physical torture either, as the many who have left the rcs can attest.  When mental or spiritual help is done with bad, other or weird intentions, harm usually occurs, compounding the original problem, that the person already had.  Cases can and are being damaged in the current rcs.   Anyone who has studied Scn. knows that bad incidents run in chains of similar incidents so the track is full of these abuses.  Someone like myself who has audited 1000s of hours, has heard many mind manipulating incidents, full of lots of charge and the psyches are right in there, with all the others types that would find such manipulation &#8220;fun&#8221;.  The priest, the mystic, the chaste woman, the doctor, the counselor, the psyche et al, who dot this landscape, can be described in present day terms, but the variety is broad.  Let&#8217;s just call them crazy fuckers who enjoy torturing people.   Perhaps LRH lumped them under the term &#8220;psyches&#8221;, who knows.   I do know that these are major players in depositing large amounts of charge on the track that involve knowledge, the mind, religion, insanity and other very hot button issues for beings.  When a person is relieved of this charge, it is an amazing and humbling experience to watch.  All I can say is, if a person actually is their soul and has lived before, that these types of incidents have a huge impact on their well being and relief thereof, if they are handled terminatedly and of course, with love.</p>
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		By: Ron		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2014 05:28:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientologys-view-on-psychiatry/#comment-57871&quot;&gt;Kemist&lt;/a&gt;.

Kemist, you are incorrect.   Lobotomy is practiced even today.  Certainly not as popular as it once was, and yes, even a good percentage of doctos consider it barbaric,  but your assertion that it is not performed ever is blatantly false.]]></description>
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<p>Kemist, you are incorrect.   Lobotomy is practiced even today.  Certainly not as popular as it once was, and yes, even a good percentage of doctos consider it barbaric,  but your assertion that it is not performed ever is blatantly false.</p>
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		By: Carcha		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2014 00:44:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientologys-view-on-psychiatry/#comment-57914&quot;&gt;Aquamarine&lt;/a&gt;.

Mike - The severely mentally ill are SPs - and they maintain the strictest standards of dress and pretense to avoid being singled out as evil. The fundamental precedent cause of insanity seems to be hatred - fundamentally, not necessarily the immediate break. The level of rationality in that lower tone is limited. Hatred itself is an emotion, not necessarily an overt act, but there is some line beyond which hatred is acted upon, and evil is simply allowing hatred to turn into action - and communication is an action, which is usually the SPs primary weapon. - Carcha]]></description>
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<p>Mike &#8211; The severely mentally ill are SPs &#8211; and they maintain the strictest standards of dress and pretense to avoid being singled out as evil. The fundamental precedent cause of insanity seems to be hatred &#8211; fundamentally, not necessarily the immediate break. The level of rationality in that lower tone is limited. Hatred itself is an emotion, not necessarily an overt act, but there is some line beyond which hatred is acted upon, and evil is simply allowing hatred to turn into action &#8211; and communication is an action, which is usually the SPs primary weapon. &#8211; Carcha</p>
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		By: Mike Rinder		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientologys-view-on-psychiatry/#comment-58065</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2014 00:08:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientologys-view-on-psychiatry/#comment-58055&quot;&gt;Hiatus57&lt;/a&gt;.

Not sure what the meaning of this is? 

I think you are asserting that my position is &quot;Scientology does not work, it never did and it never can&quot;?

If so, try to wrap your wits around this evaluative response: I think your Grade 4 is unflat.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientologys-view-on-psychiatry/#comment-58055">Hiatus57</a>.</p>
<p>Not sure what the meaning of this is? </p>
<p>I think you are asserting that my position is &#8220;Scientology does not work, it never did and it never can&#8221;?</p>
<p>If so, try to wrap your wits around this evaluative response: I think your Grade 4 is unflat.</p>
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		By: Hiatus57		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2014 21:56:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientologys-view-on-psychiatry/#comment-57976&quot;&gt;Aquamarine&lt;/a&gt;.

No its all bad or do you not read the posts?]]></description>
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<p>No its all bad or do you not read the posts?</p>
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		By: Hiatus57		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2014 21:55:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientologys-view-on-psychiatry/#comment-57963&quot;&gt;Michael&lt;/a&gt;.

I was going to reply to that Mike but now I realise there really is no point at all.

You are correct. 

Scientology does not work, it never did it never can.

Good luck mate.

bye]]></description>
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<p>I was going to reply to that Mike but now I realise there really is no point at all.</p>
<p>You are correct. </p>
<p>Scientology does not work, it never did it never can.</p>
<p>Good luck mate.</p>
<p>bye</p>
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		By: Jens TINGLEFF		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2014 16:54:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientologys-view-on-psychiatry/#comment-57860&quot;&gt;Worsel&lt;/a&gt;.

The English &quot;National Association for Mental Health&quot; is a pro-patient organisation (today called &quot;Mind&quot;) which got infiltrated by the criminal organisation known as the &quot;church&quot; of $cientology. More in the book &quot;Believe What You Like&quot; (Andre Deutsch Limited, 1973, ISBN 0-233-96375-8)

So, hardly an anti-psychiatry orgnisation, but defintely an infiltration. Oh and the Co$ moved on to another sacred $cientology sacrement: the lawsuit.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientologys-view-on-psychiatry/#comment-57860">Worsel</a>.</p>
<p>The English &#8220;National Association for Mental Health&#8221; is a pro-patient organisation (today called &#8220;Mind&#8221;) which got infiltrated by the criminal organisation known as the &#8220;church&#8221; of $cientology. More in the book &#8220;Believe What You Like&#8221; (Andre Deutsch Limited, 1973, ISBN 0-233-96375-8)</p>
<p>So, hardly an anti-psychiatry orgnisation, but defintely an infiltration. Oh and the Co$ moved on to another sacred $cientology sacrement: the lawsuit.</p>
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		By: Jens TINGLEFF		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2014 16:48:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientologys-view-on-psychiatry/#comment-57914&quot;&gt;Aquamarine&lt;/a&gt;.

I&#039;m surprised you ask. The answer is in &quot;$cience of Survival...&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientologys-view-on-psychiatry/#comment-57914">Aquamarine</a>.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m surprised you ask. The answer is in &#8220;$cience of Survival&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		By: Cooper J Kessel		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2014 14:07:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientologys-view-on-psychiatry/#comment-57790&quot;&gt;Chuck Beatty&lt;/a&gt;.

Another interesting issue is the ability to now place a date on the volcanic activity which creates the Hawaiian Island chain. Mauna Loa and Mauna Koa are both on the &#039;Big Island&#039; of the chain which is also the most recent. 

So if you were one of the Zenu prisoners which got stuck there, you may want to review your history to figure out how you could be placed in a volcano that did not exist at the time. Oh well, just some careless detail to mess up an otherwise great story.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientologys-view-on-psychiatry/#comment-57790">Chuck Beatty</a>.</p>
<p>Another interesting issue is the ability to now place a date on the volcanic activity which creates the Hawaiian Island chain. Mauna Loa and Mauna Koa are both on the &#8216;Big Island&#8217; of the chain which is also the most recent. </p>
<p>So if you were one of the Zenu prisoners which got stuck there, you may want to review your history to figure out how you could be placed in a volcano that did not exist at the time. Oh well, just some careless detail to mess up an otherwise great story.</p>
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