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		By: Mike Wynski		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Wynski]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scn-aftermath-episode-2-scientology-sort-of-responds/#comment-153812&quot;&gt;jmsr7&lt;/a&gt;.

jmsr7, charities don&#039;t HAVE to report income and expenses to the public.  In general, people won&#039;t GIVE to those that don&#039;t.  Not the same thing.]]></description>
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<p>jmsr7, charities don&#8217;t HAVE to report income and expenses to the public.  In general, people won&#8217;t GIVE to those that don&#8217;t.  Not the same thing.</p>
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		By: Kerry Christine		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kerry Christine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Dec 2016 06:23:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scn-aftermath-episode-2-scientology-sort-of-responds/#comment-153662&quot;&gt;Old Surfer Dude&lt;/a&gt;.

Hi guys, I am so frustrated. I live in Australia and managed to see the 1st episode but cannot find a link that will work for me to watch the 2nd. The above link that scn911 posted does not work now. I will keep trying. I just want to applaud Mike, Leah and everyone involved in the series. Way overdue and you have my respect. Thank you]]></description>
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<p>Hi guys, I am so frustrated. I live in Australia and managed to see the 1st episode but cannot find a link that will work for me to watch the 2nd. The above link that scn911 posted does not work now. I will keep trying. I just want to applaud Mike, Leah and everyone involved in the series. Way overdue and you have my respect. Thank you</p>
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		By: jmsr7		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Dec 2016 18:32:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scn-aftermath-episode-2-scientology-sort-of-responds/#comment-153686&quot;&gt;Gene Trujillo&lt;/a&gt;.

Scientology &quot;ethics&quot; are not about morality but rather about the question &quot;will this make our group more money?&quot;  as you pointed out in your last paragraph about abortion.  

A woman or couple with a child will divert at least some resources to that child - away from the church - and that&#039;s intolerable.  Thus the first policy (abortion) which was only discarded after bad PR became known.  This led to the second policy - getting kicked out - because an avoidance of an expense (bad PR) is almost as good as income.  Note that &quot;right&quot; and &quot;wrong&quot; don&#039;t enter into it, this is just about finances.  Which is what I would argue Scientology ethics are based upon.

If you view their actions (the church in general and LRH&#039;s and DM&#039;s in particular) through this lens, then what they do makes a lot more sense.  For example, real estate is a more certain investment than a self-help catalog of reading materials and coursework that attracts not only a specific type of person but also requires a great deal of additional effort. 

It&#039;s also why &quot;give us money and do all this work to feel better&quot; does not bring in as much money as &quot;give us money to feel better&quot; which is the IAS&#039;s schtick.  Or at least that&#039;s what i would expect.  Does anyone have any hard numbers on exactly how much they take in?  I know charities have to report income and expenses, do churches have to? 

jmsr]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scn-aftermath-episode-2-scientology-sort-of-responds/#comment-153686">Gene Trujillo</a>.</p>
<p>Scientology &#8220;ethics&#8221; are not about morality but rather about the question &#8220;will this make our group more money?&#8221;  as you pointed out in your last paragraph about abortion.  </p>
<p>A woman or couple with a child will divert at least some resources to that child &#8211; away from the church &#8211; and that&#8217;s intolerable.  Thus the first policy (abortion) which was only discarded after bad PR became known.  This led to the second policy &#8211; getting kicked out &#8211; because an avoidance of an expense (bad PR) is almost as good as income.  Note that &#8220;right&#8221; and &#8220;wrong&#8221; don&#8217;t enter into it, this is just about finances.  Which is what I would argue Scientology ethics are based upon.</p>
<p>If you view their actions (the church in general and LRH&#8217;s and DM&#8217;s in particular) through this lens, then what they do makes a lot more sense.  For example, real estate is a more certain investment than a self-help catalog of reading materials and coursework that attracts not only a specific type of person but also requires a great deal of additional effort. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s also why &#8220;give us money and do all this work to feel better&#8221; does not bring in as much money as &#8220;give us money to feel better&#8221; which is the IAS&#8217;s schtick.  Or at least that&#8217;s what i would expect.  Does anyone have any hard numbers on exactly how much they take in?  I know charities have to report income and expenses, do churches have to? </p>
<p>jmsr</p>
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		By: Dead men tell no tales (Bill Straass)		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Dec 2016 18:20:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scn-aftermath-episode-2-scientology-sort-of-responds/#comment-153570&quot;&gt;Ms.P&lt;/a&gt;.

My guess is that they will have to use DNA testing to see what Heber looks like. Thats too bad as he is a friend of mine. In 1989 during Maiden Voyage he was the only one who noticed that I was not on the ship.I was in the hospital getting the blood transfusions that gave me AIDS.]]></description>
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<p>My guess is that they will have to use DNA testing to see what Heber looks like. Thats too bad as he is a friend of mine. In 1989 during Maiden Voyage he was the only one who noticed that I was not on the ship.I was in the hospital getting the blood transfusions that gave me AIDS.</p>
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		By: alcoboy		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Dec 2016 14:47:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scn-aftermath-episode-2-scientology-sort-of-responds/#comment-153653&quot;&gt;Dead men tell no tales ( Bill Straass)&lt;/a&gt;.

Because he&#039;s too short to climb back out!]]></description>
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<p>Because he&#8217;s too short to climb back out!</p>
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		By: Mike Wynski		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Wynski]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Dec 2016 12:42:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scn-aftermath-episode-2-scientology-sort-of-responds/#comment-153656&quot;&gt;Dead men tell no tales ( Bill Straass)&lt;/a&gt;.

True Bill.  But that is also true of Hubbard.  Remember him trying to attack that child holocaust surviver to her grave for being capable enough to see through his scam?  

All the friends of his at Old St. Hill he had declared SP because they were too capable and threatened HIS position as &quot;The One&quot;.  Trying to kill the C/S who saved his life because he had too much popularity in the church...]]></description>
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<p>True Bill.  But that is also true of Hubbard.  Remember him trying to attack that child holocaust surviver to her grave for being capable enough to see through his scam?  </p>
<p>All the friends of his at Old St. Hill he had declared SP because they were too capable and threatened HIS position as &#8220;The One&#8221;.  Trying to kill the C/S who saved his life because he had too much popularity in the church&#8230;</p>
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		By: Dead men tell no tales (Bill Straass)		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dead men tell no tales (Bill Straass)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Dec 2016 12:08:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[My brother texted me today an it said&quot; It&#039;s on A &#038; E right now!  The whole world is hearing about your plight and.enslavement. Get an ultra lawyer now. Don&#039;t wait another day...etc He then said that he has lawyer contacts that he will talk to. He doesn&#039;t know much about Scientology but he knows the basics of my story.  I don&#039;t expect to get any money but they got the IRS to capitulate with lots of lawsuits and it would be fitting to use their own tactics to expose the abuses. The show is having a tremendous effect. I talked to Tony Ortega last week and he said it is time to tell my story again along with other things I haven&#039;t spoken publicly about yet. I think that they are finally about to crack. Well done to Mr Rinder and Leah and all who helped.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My brother texted me today an it said&#8221; It&#8217;s on A &amp; E right now!  The whole world is hearing about your plight and.enslavement. Get an ultra lawyer now. Don&#8217;t wait another day&#8230;etc He then said that he has lawyer contacts that he will talk to. He doesn&#8217;t know much about Scientology but he knows the basics of my story.  I don&#8217;t expect to get any money but they got the IRS to capitulate with lots of lawsuits and it would be fitting to use their own tactics to expose the abuses. The show is having a tremendous effect. I talked to Tony Ortega last week and he said it is time to tell my story again along with other things I haven&#8217;t spoken publicly about yet. I think that they are finally about to crack. Well done to Mr Rinder and Leah and all who helped.</p>
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		By: marildi		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[marildi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Dec 2016 02:50:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scn-aftermath-episode-2-scientology-sort-of-responds/#comment-153693&quot;&gt;marildi&lt;/a&gt;.

p.s. Do you have a reference for &quot;manufacture evidence&quot;? Or are you repeating what others have said without given a reference? The only one I know of with the word &quot;manufacture&quot; is in the reference you quoted above, which says &quot;always find or manufacture enough threat against them to cause them to sue for peace.&quot; Threatening them with manufactured consequences is a far cry from &quot;manufactured evidence.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scn-aftermath-episode-2-scientology-sort-of-responds/#comment-153693">marildi</a>.</p>
<p>p.s. Do you have a reference for &#8220;manufacture evidence&#8221;? Or are you repeating what others have said without given a reference? The only one I know of with the word &#8220;manufacture&#8221; is in the reference you quoted above, which says &#8220;always find or manufacture enough threat against them to cause them to sue for peace.&#8221; Threatening them with manufactured consequences is a far cry from &#8220;manufactured evidence.&#8221;</p>
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		By: marildi		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[marildi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Dec 2016 23:34:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scn-aftermath-episode-2-scientology-sort-of-responds/#comment-153618&quot;&gt;Espiando&lt;/a&gt;.

The reason the PTS/SP &quot;tech&quot; didn&#039;t work was that it became a political tool to declare someone SP. Those declared &quot;SPs&quot; weren&#039;t &quot;spotted&quot; for the simple reason they weren&#039;t actually SP as per the original, technical definition.]]></description>
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<p>The reason the PTS/SP &#8220;tech&#8221; didn&#8217;t work was that it became a political tool to declare someone SP. Those declared &#8220;SPs&#8221; weren&#8217;t &#8220;spotted&#8221; for the simple reason they weren&#8217;t actually SP as per the original, technical definition.</p>
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		By: marildi		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[marildi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Dec 2016 23:17:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scn-aftermath-episode-2-scientology-sort-of-responds/#comment-153671&quot;&gt;Brian&lt;/a&gt;.

I was talking about what YOU referred to in the comment above where part of what you quoted was &quot;ACTUAL evidence&quot; -  not &quot;manufacture evidence.&quot;

I know you want to paint Ron as black as possible, and heaven forbid if anyone should try to understand where he was coming from or cut him the slightest bit of slack. Nevertheless, according to indisputable records in the FOIA files, for decades there were very powerful agencies - both private and governmental - who sought to destroy scientology. And yes, Ron responded to those threats as if it was actual war. All of this was documented by Marty in his book *Memoirs of a Scientology Warrior*.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scn-aftermath-episode-2-scientology-sort-of-responds/#comment-153671">Brian</a>.</p>
<p>I was talking about what YOU referred to in the comment above where part of what you quoted was &#8220;ACTUAL evidence&#8221; &#8211;  not &#8220;manufacture evidence.&#8221;</p>
<p>I know you want to paint Ron as black as possible, and heaven forbid if anyone should try to understand where he was coming from or cut him the slightest bit of slack. Nevertheless, according to indisputable records in the FOIA files, for decades there were very powerful agencies &#8211; both private and governmental &#8211; who sought to destroy scientology. And yes, Ron responded to those threats as if it was actual war. All of this was documented by Marty in his book *Memoirs of a Scientology Warrior*.</p>
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