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		By: Aquamarine		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/secret-otc-minutes/#comment-42278</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Aquamarine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2014 03:49:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Got it on everything, Mike, and thanks very much.  No ads for books.  I&#039;m having a &quot;duh&quot; moment.  What an elephant of an Omitted, that I didn&#039;t spot. Wow.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Got it on everything, Mike, and thanks very much.  No ads for books.  I&#8217;m having a &#8220;duh&#8221; moment.  What an elephant of an Omitted, that I didn&#8217;t spot. Wow.</p>
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		By: Cindy		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/secret-otc-minutes/#comment-42216</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cindy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2014 19:13:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/secret-otc-minutes/#comment-41956&quot;&gt;GTBO&lt;/a&gt;.

GTBO, I agree, they were probably RPF but were ordered to wear civvies (regular clothing) so that no one would see that the church is using RPF prisoners for rennos.  It is because of internet scrutiny from things like Mike&#039;s blog that makes DM change the way things are done for PR purposes.  Before Mike&#039;s blog bringing light to the RPF, he would have had the RPFers working in their black clothing and black arm bands right out there for all to see.  Now he dresses them up as &quot;regulars&quot; and has them do the same hard labor.  Kind of like taking Heber out every now and then, cleaning him up, putting a tie on him and winding him up to speak at an event.  He unfortunately is a shell of his former self. What a big travesty that is.  DM has such bad overts on so many that Karma it will follow him for lifetimes.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/secret-otc-minutes/#comment-41956">GTBO</a>.</p>
<p>GTBO, I agree, they were probably RPF but were ordered to wear civvies (regular clothing) so that no one would see that the church is using RPF prisoners for rennos.  It is because of internet scrutiny from things like Mike&#8217;s blog that makes DM change the way things are done for PR purposes.  Before Mike&#8217;s blog bringing light to the RPF, he would have had the RPFers working in their black clothing and black arm bands right out there for all to see.  Now he dresses them up as &#8220;regulars&#8221; and has them do the same hard labor.  Kind of like taking Heber out every now and then, cleaning him up, putting a tie on him and winding him up to speak at an event.  He unfortunately is a shell of his former self. What a big travesty that is.  DM has such bad overts on so many that Karma it will follow him for lifetimes.</p>
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		By: Jens TINGLEFF		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/secret-otc-minutes/#comment-42204</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jens TINGLEFF]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2014 18:17:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/secret-otc-minutes/#comment-41942&quot;&gt;writerchique&lt;/a&gt;.

Totally disagree. The criminal organisation known as the &quot;church&quot; of $cientology could not continue to exist without breaking the laws of the land. All organised religions run the risk of hiding the criminal activity of individuals, but the Co$ is intended as a fraud. IMHO, of course :)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/secret-otc-minutes/#comment-41942">writerchique</a>.</p>
<p>Totally disagree. The criminal organisation known as the &#8220;church&#8221; of $cientology could not continue to exist without breaking the laws of the land. All organised religions run the risk of hiding the criminal activity of individuals, but the Co$ is intended as a fraud. IMHO, of course 🙂</p>
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		By: Pepper		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/secret-otc-minutes/#comment-42193</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pepper]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2014 17:16:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/secret-otc-minutes/#comment-41974&quot;&gt;Poet13c&lt;/a&gt;.

Yes Poet, 

At least we can enjoy sightseeing in Europe and visit some of those cathedrals today.  Notre-Dame de Paris is just one example of many. 

I doubt any of the cheap, transparently obvious money burners called Ideal Orgs will ever last that long, including the Super Power building in CW.  It will be torn down one day because it will fall into disrepair &quot;enmest&quot; and no one will care to restore it.  

As for the rich whales who enable the farce to continue, I have often wondered what would happen if they just stopped giving money. It would be a &quot;whole new world&quot; indeed for RScientology.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/secret-otc-minutes/#comment-41974">Poet13c</a>.</p>
<p>Yes Poet, </p>
<p>At least we can enjoy sightseeing in Europe and visit some of those cathedrals today.  Notre-Dame de Paris is just one example of many. </p>
<p>I doubt any of the cheap, transparently obvious money burners called Ideal Orgs will ever last that long, including the Super Power building in CW.  It will be torn down one day because it will fall into disrepair &#8220;enmest&#8221; and no one will care to restore it.  </p>
<p>As for the rich whales who enable the farce to continue, I have often wondered what would happen if they just stopped giving money. It would be a &#8220;whole new world&#8221; indeed for RScientology.</p>
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		By: Mike Rinder		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/secret-otc-minutes/#comment-42031</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Rinder]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2014 19:09:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/secret-otc-minutes/#comment-42019&quot;&gt;Aquamarine&lt;/a&gt;.

Simple answer. There is enormous competition for space on bookstore shelves. If you have a book that doesn&#039;t sell, it doesn&#039;t get space. If you don&#039;t even have an advertising campaign designed to get people to go into bookstores to buy the books (coop or cooperative advertising) to give them the hope your book will sell, you have no hope. Back in the old days of Jeff Hawkins doing advertising and Mark McKinstry doing the liaison with the book chains, Dianetics and other titles were on the shelf in every major bookstore in the US. But they, and many of the others involved with making this a success were declared SP. Since then, even in CLEARWATER where there is a SINGLE Barnes and Noble left and &quot;12,000 scientologists&quot; you can hardly find a single LRH book on the shelves.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/secret-otc-minutes/#comment-42019">Aquamarine</a>.</p>
<p>Simple answer. There is enormous competition for space on bookstore shelves. If you have a book that doesn&#8217;t sell, it doesn&#8217;t get space. If you don&#8217;t even have an advertising campaign designed to get people to go into bookstores to buy the books (coop or cooperative advertising) to give them the hope your book will sell, you have no hope. Back in the old days of Jeff Hawkins doing advertising and Mark McKinstry doing the liaison with the book chains, Dianetics and other titles were on the shelf in every major bookstore in the US. But they, and many of the others involved with making this a success were declared SP. Since then, even in CLEARWATER where there is a SINGLE Barnes and Noble left and &#8220;12,000 scientologists&#8221; you can hardly find a single LRH book on the shelves.</p>
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		By: Aquamarine		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/secret-otc-minutes/#comment-42028</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Aquamarine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2014 19:00:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/secret-otc-minutes/#comment-42024&quot;&gt;Aquamarine&lt;/a&gt;.

And, Mike, REALLY good news as re your origination that you can hardly keep up with all the leaks!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/secret-otc-minutes/#comment-42024">Aquamarine</a>.</p>
<p>And, Mike, REALLY good news as re your origination that you can hardly keep up with all the leaks!</p>
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		By: Aquamarine		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/secret-otc-minutes/#comment-42024</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Aquamarine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2014 18:45:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/secret-otc-minutes/#comment-42019&quot;&gt;Aquamarine&lt;/a&gt;.

But, if a few short sentences won&#039;t suffice for an adequate explanation I&#039;ll wait for a post on it in the future and survive somehow :)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/secret-otc-minutes/#comment-42019">Aquamarine</a>.</p>
<p>But, if a few short sentences won&#8217;t suffice for an adequate explanation I&#8217;ll wait for a post on it in the future and survive somehow 🙂</p>
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		By: Aquamarine		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/secret-otc-minutes/#comment-42019</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Aquamarine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2014 18:30:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;We are also looking for booksellers&quot;.

So much to comment on here and I don&#039;t intend to derail the essential purpose of this thread, but I&#039;m dying to have it explained to me by somebody why,  instead of volunteers shlepping around with tables and chairs doing stress tests in malls and so forth, efforting so much to sell a few measly DMSMH&#039;s, LRH&#039;s books are not sold in BOOKSTORES, where people go to buy ALL KINDS of BOOKS. Forgive me, please, if this is a really dumb question to which every one else knows the answer, but when I was still- in I asked it and no-one could or would answer me, and to date I still wonder about it so if someone could throw me the Why in a few short sentences and put me out of my misery :) it would be greatly appreciated.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;We are also looking for booksellers&#8221;.</p>
<p>So much to comment on here and I don&#8217;t intend to derail the essential purpose of this thread, but I&#8217;m dying to have it explained to me by somebody why,  instead of volunteers shlepping around with tables and chairs doing stress tests in malls and so forth, efforting so much to sell a few measly DMSMH&#8217;s, LRH&#8217;s books are not sold in BOOKSTORES, where people go to buy ALL KINDS of BOOKS. Forgive me, please, if this is a really dumb question to which every one else knows the answer, but when I was still- in I asked it and no-one could or would answer me, and to date I still wonder about it so if someone could throw me the Why in a few short sentences and put me out of my misery 🙂 it would be greatly appreciated.</p>
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		By: Cindy		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/secret-otc-minutes/#comment-42009</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cindy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2014 17:27:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/secret-otc-minutes/#comment-41950&quot;&gt;Mike Rinder&lt;/a&gt;.

Also the OTC are made up of OT VII&#039;s who want elig for VIII or just elig to continue on VII, and part of that is a new requirement that every person auditing on OT VII HAS to be on an OTC and HAS to hold a named and actual post.  It is not enough that they attend the meeting. They have to have a post on the Org Board. And when you tell them, for instance, but I don&#039;t want to be on an OTC and I&#039;d rather do my Criminon work, they say that whatever else you&#039;re doing, keep it up but ADD to it being on the OTC as that is not an option.  It is an order and a must that all on OT VII have to be on an OTC.  So with all the 6 sessions a day, doing work for OTC, doing work for your other groups like Criminon, and working your butt off to make the money to pay for OT VII and raising kids and having a family.... it means you are harried, hassled, overworked, and overwhelmed in many cases.  It felt to me like the OTC members were inducted SO members and doing the jobs that were the SO jobs.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/secret-otc-minutes/#comment-41950">Mike Rinder</a>.</p>
<p>Also the OTC are made up of OT VII&#8217;s who want elig for VIII or just elig to continue on VII, and part of that is a new requirement that every person auditing on OT VII HAS to be on an OTC and HAS to hold a named and actual post.  It is not enough that they attend the meeting. They have to have a post on the Org Board. And when you tell them, for instance, but I don&#8217;t want to be on an OTC and I&#8217;d rather do my Criminon work, they say that whatever else you&#8217;re doing, keep it up but ADD to it being on the OTC as that is not an option.  It is an order and a must that all on OT VII have to be on an OTC.  So with all the 6 sessions a day, doing work for OTC, doing work for your other groups like Criminon, and working your butt off to make the money to pay for OT VII and raising kids and having a family&#8230;. it means you are harried, hassled, overworked, and overwhelmed in many cases.  It felt to me like the OTC members were inducted SO members and doing the jobs that were the SO jobs.</p>
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		By: Cindy		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/secret-otc-minutes/#comment-42007</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2014 17:17:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/secret-otc-minutes/#comment-41943&quot;&gt;Cooper J Kessel&lt;/a&gt;.

And of course, Davie, being the uber micro-manager, hands on kind of guy, would do the honors of inserting the enema and making sure it went right... after all he is the only one who can do it right and all the rest are CI and SCOHB.
Don&#039;t worry Davie, it will all come out at the end.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/secret-otc-minutes/#comment-41943">Cooper J Kessel</a>.</p>
<p>And of course, Davie, being the uber micro-manager, hands on kind of guy, would do the honors of inserting the enema and making sure it went right&#8230; after all he is the only one who can do it right and all the rest are CI and SCOHB.<br />
Don&#8217;t worry Davie, it will all come out at the end.</p>
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