Hmm, I think the selling of indulgences by the catholic church over many centuries is going to take a while to overtake. As just one example. Organized religion has made a habit of defrauding people. Some would argue it is inherent in the concept of organized religion. Scientology has never been big enough, and certainly isnt now, to be the “most massive” religious anything in history.

I do believe…

I believe we are witnesses to the most massive criminal religious fraud in history. Lil’Savage has actually been able to improve upon the original “make money, make more money” tech by cutting out the bs, e.g., inventing a status bridge and actually selling it to the whales.

LRH would be proud of Lil’Savage…more money without the trappings of spiritual enlightenment.

Also, I think as a group we have been very unfair to the Mafia with our comparisons of the Co$ to them.

Laugher, MJ!

Yes, ironically it is straight out of that (1984?) HCOB “Misrepresentation of Dianetics and Scientology”. I wonder if LRH wrote that with prescience? What “Scientology” means these days is far removed from its original definition.

I think also that one has to be not defensive or hiding something at all – i.e. no “secrets” (i.e. O/Ws) which people in the Church can no longer do as they know the scams that are going on as soon as you go through the doors. So that is somewhat easy and straightforward and is a benefit we have in the Independent Field – providing one is not squirreling and purveying shoddy services of course.

Subreption – at least we can have a laugh about what LRH would do if he spent a few hours in an Org finding out what was going on (it wouldn’t take him long after all as the outpoints hit one in the face as you walk in). I would imagine though that COB had headed for the hills (of South America) long before LRH had uttered his first angry outburst.

My, my my, Delilah, I am still waiting for my (or actually your) so-called “cognition” that the “tech is bad”. Now I somewhat promised Mike I wouldn’t get into firefights but the Tech is not “all bad” and it’s not “always has been” – maybe for you but not for hundreds of thousands of others.

Tom Jones

Right on!

I wish they were selling all this status stuff when I was young and “getting in” cause there is no way I would have fell for it.

I no longer believe in anything LRon or scn, but at least back in the day there was hope of actually DOING something productive and valuable.

This status thing is so ugly it’s unbelievable they do it!

Masochism never looked so good.