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		By: Leo P Helmar		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Apr 2024 05:56:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I wonder if something like this could be acting upon the people that end up as the second-in-command in high control groups. It&#039;s obvious there&#039;s another layer of psychographic types who inhabit the &quot;gatekeeper&quot; role. For this, I am thinking of people like Nancy Salzman, Ghislaine Maxwell, Pat and Annie Broeker and so on.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if something like this could be acting upon the people that end up as the second-in-command in high control groups. It&#8217;s obvious there&#8217;s another layer of psychographic types who inhabit the &#8220;gatekeeper&#8221; role. For this, I am thinking of people like Nancy Salzman, Ghislaine Maxwell, Pat and Annie Broeker and so on.</p>
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		By: Cindy		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Apr 2024 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/sociopathy-adjacent-dependent-personality-syndrome/#comment-576866&quot;&gt;Aquamarine&lt;/a&gt;.

Good examples, Aqua.  I like reading your stuff.  Your writing skill is superb.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/sociopathy-adjacent-dependent-personality-syndrome/#comment-576866">Aquamarine</a>.</p>
<p>Good examples, Aqua.  I like reading your stuff.  Your writing skill is superb.</p>
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		By: Aquamarine		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Apr 2024 20:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/sociopathy-adjacent-dependent-personality-syndrome/#comment-576564&quot;&gt;Cindy&lt;/a&gt;.

Superb comment, Cindy.  I&#039;ve observed the truth of this on several levels - with individuals, with families and even countries.  

A former friend of mine has been a robot to her common law husband for 50 years.  He both depends upon her utterly and controls her utterly, and she would not have it any other way. For many years he has refused to marry her and for just as many years has she accepted this.  She&#039;s bright, attractive, perceptive - she has many good qualities but her fatal flaw is that she&#039;s comfortable being under his thumb.  Repeatedly she has left him to strike out on her own for a while but it never lasts very long.  She has a fling with someone else and crawls back to him.  And he takes her back, and still verbally abuses her and invalidates her in general. 


Although from widely divergent backgrounds, my maternal and paternal  grandfathers were tyrants.  The true family stories I could share about each of thei utter selfishness and insensibility to the feelings and well being of their spouses and children would sound to you like the creations of Hollywood writers crafting a retro mini series.

I lived for several years with my father in a 3rd world country; the peasant people, totally uneducated, ignorant and living in terribly poverty adored the &quot;President For Life&quot;  (read ruthless dictator) who along with his wealthy circle of friends exploited and suppressed them in every possible way.  Unitl his death they  revered him, worshipped him, practically,  and believed everything he said, no matter how blatant his lies. And when he died they &quot;elected&quot; (read anointed) his son to continue in his name, with the exact same suppressive policies, giving them NO chance to have any kind of decent lives in their own country.

So  its not only Scientologists who are prone to robotisem.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/sociopathy-adjacent-dependent-personality-syndrome/#comment-576564">Cindy</a>.</p>
<p>Superb comment, Cindy.  I&#8217;ve observed the truth of this on several levels &#8211; with individuals, with families and even countries.  </p>
<p>A former friend of mine has been a robot to her common law husband for 50 years.  He both depends upon her utterly and controls her utterly, and she would not have it any other way. For many years he has refused to marry her and for just as many years has she accepted this.  She&#8217;s bright, attractive, perceptive &#8211; she has many good qualities but her fatal flaw is that she&#8217;s comfortable being under his thumb.  Repeatedly she has left him to strike out on her own for a while but it never lasts very long.  She has a fling with someone else and crawls back to him.  And he takes her back, and still verbally abuses her and invalidates her in general. </p>
<p>Although from widely divergent backgrounds, my maternal and paternal  grandfathers were tyrants.  The true family stories I could share about each of thei utter selfishness and insensibility to the feelings and well being of their spouses and children would sound to you like the creations of Hollywood writers crafting a retro mini series.</p>
<p>I lived for several years with my father in a 3rd world country; the peasant people, totally uneducated, ignorant and living in terribly poverty adored the &#8220;President For Life&#8221;  (read ruthless dictator) who along with his wealthy circle of friends exploited and suppressed them in every possible way.  Unitl his death they  revered him, worshipped him, practically,  and believed everything he said, no matter how blatant his lies. And when he died they &#8220;elected&#8221; (read anointed) his son to continue in his name, with the exact same suppressive policies, giving them NO chance to have any kind of decent lives in their own country.</p>
<p>So  its not only Scientologists who are prone to robotisem.</p>
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		By: Cindy		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Apr 2024 03:23:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/sociopathy-adjacent-dependent-personality-syndrome/#comment-576300&quot;&gt;Aquamarine&lt;/a&gt;.

LRH had a reference called Robotism.  It says that if you are being suppressed for a long time that you get beaten down to where you can only operate on orders.  You have to have orders to do anything.   And especially need orders from the main person suppressing you.  He said if you find robotism, look to find the SP cuz there surely will be one there.  He was right about that.  I looked and found David Miscavige as the SP and all of us were robots to him.  That&#039;s how it goes until something jogs  you to look, to listen, to cognite on who the real SP is, and to ultimately leave.  Congrats on all here who left!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/sociopathy-adjacent-dependent-personality-syndrome/#comment-576300">Aquamarine</a>.</p>
<p>LRH had a reference called Robotism.  It says that if you are being suppressed for a long time that you get beaten down to where you can only operate on orders.  You have to have orders to do anything.   And especially need orders from the main person suppressing you.  He said if you find robotism, look to find the SP cuz there surely will be one there.  He was right about that.  I looked and found David Miscavige as the SP and all of us were robots to him.  That&#8217;s how it goes until something jogs  you to look, to listen, to cognite on who the real SP is, and to ultimately leave.  Congrats on all here who left!</p>
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		By: Marie guerin		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Apr 2024 13:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Advice for whoever wants it . When confronted with an ethics officer gaslighting you , or screaming at you, lie to the best of your ability , smile , stay calm because they (mostly) love to see you squirm , fight the urge to give in.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Advice for whoever wants it . When confronted with an ethics officer gaslighting you , or screaming at you, lie to the best of your ability , smile , stay calm because they (mostly) love to see you squirm , fight the urge to give in.</p>
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		By: Mike Rinder		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Apr 2024 12:58:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/sociopathy-adjacent-dependent-personality-syndrome/#comment-576392&quot;&gt;Joe Pendleton&lt;/a&gt;.

YEs, as with some other commenters on this post, it&#039;s why you are here and not there!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/sociopathy-adjacent-dependent-personality-syndrome/#comment-576392">Joe Pendleton</a>.</p>
<p>YEs, as with some other commenters on this post, it&#8217;s why you are here and not there!</p>
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		By: aldeboni		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Apr 2024 11:38:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yes sure  you have some sociopath&#039;s and some DPS... in general you have more DPS&#039;s... because a lot of people need orders for living... they need somehow a boss... and so because of the needing, they promote the rules as given as the right way... and this seems given in Scn through ethics... which is a late invention of Hubbard - ethics conditions... but the Mister build in it a failure... it is the condition Doubt... which is normally used as an general doubt... which is untrue... you can and should also have doubt on Power or  Affluence or Normal or Emergency or Danger... especially surely at Danger... and following is Non-Exsistenz the consequence of not handled Doubt&#039;s... and so comes the Liability formula together, which you can only solve in the church of Scn with the promise and acknowledment of Scientology Ethics... and which you have to state in the Condition Doubt... up from here you go in generel only in an enemy, or treason state to the world outside of Scientology... but further you will go in the state of confusion... ... but LRH has himself once said... the condition below confusion is - is to take over the valence and power of another...  this itself were DPS... a Sociapath is different, because such a guy do not accept another power... but in Scientology you must have a very lot of DPS&#039;s, only because of the Ethics Conditions - what I have explained above... so on, and Miscavige or how this Guy is called - is Sociopathic anyway... he rules without understanding... he orders... and this is much much much more as the trouble with the condition Doubt.. he eleminates doubt with false reports... what he is certainly doing... ... the truth seems, that LRH wanted the whole universe in his valence.., something which Miscavige can never do... he cannot do that... he tries probably to do that... but he rans only with the failures of LRH... and Scientology will vanish with him... ... okay - lets say something, LRH had some good ideas... Dianetics is basically a good idea... Scientology is basically also a good idea, but the speculation of making an OT lead him to Ethics Conditions - and with it to restrictions... and all of this was allegedly analysis - but finally untrue... ... there are no BTs adhered to bodies... this story of Xenu is a story of imagination... Xenu did allegedly decide to eleminate beings... implant all... but this would not really work.. the real work were let anybody forever sleep... ... the real world is not like that... with DPS it is... sleeping guys anyway..., awake them is difficult... but again, LRH was able to awake this guys, which is surely his honor - but had than fixed all on his ethics idea...   is a  long text, wantet only to say that...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes sure  you have some sociopath&#8217;s and some DPS&#8230; in general you have more DPS&#8217;s&#8230; because a lot of people need orders for living&#8230; they need somehow a boss&#8230; and so because of the needing, they promote the rules as given as the right way&#8230; and this seems given in Scn through ethics&#8230; which is a late invention of Hubbard &#8211; ethics conditions&#8230; but the Mister build in it a failure&#8230; it is the condition Doubt&#8230; which is normally used as an general doubt&#8230; which is untrue&#8230; you can and should also have doubt on Power or  Affluence or Normal or Emergency or Danger&#8230; especially surely at Danger&#8230; and following is Non-Exsistenz the consequence of not handled Doubt&#8217;s&#8230; and so comes the Liability formula together, which you can only solve in the church of Scn with the promise and acknowledment of Scientology Ethics&#8230; and which you have to state in the Condition Doubt&#8230; up from here you go in generel only in an enemy, or treason state to the world outside of Scientology&#8230; but further you will go in the state of confusion&#8230; &#8230; but LRH has himself once said&#8230; the condition below confusion is &#8211; is to take over the valence and power of another&#8230;  this itself were DPS&#8230; a Sociapath is different, because such a guy do not accept another power&#8230; but in Scientology you must have a very lot of DPS&#8217;s, only because of the Ethics Conditions &#8211; what I have explained above&#8230; so on, and Miscavige or how this Guy is called &#8211; is Sociopathic anyway&#8230; he rules without understanding&#8230; he orders&#8230; and this is much much much more as the trouble with the condition Doubt.. he eleminates doubt with false reports&#8230; what he is certainly doing&#8230; &#8230; the truth seems, that LRH wanted the whole universe in his valence.., something which Miscavige can never do&#8230; he cannot do that&#8230; he tries probably to do that&#8230; but he rans only with the failures of LRH&#8230; and Scientology will vanish with him&#8230; &#8230; okay &#8211; lets say something, LRH had some good ideas&#8230; Dianetics is basically a good idea&#8230; Scientology is basically also a good idea, but the speculation of making an OT lead him to Ethics Conditions &#8211; and with it to restrictions&#8230; and all of this was allegedly analysis &#8211; but finally untrue&#8230; &#8230; there are no BTs adhered to bodies&#8230; this story of Xenu is a story of imagination&#8230; Xenu did allegedly decide to eleminate beings&#8230; implant all&#8230; but this would not really work.. the real work were let anybody forever sleep&#8230; &#8230; the real world is not like that&#8230; with DPS it is&#8230; sleeping guys anyway&#8230;, awake them is difficult&#8230; but again, LRH was able to awake this guys, which is surely his honor &#8211; but had than fixed all on his ethics idea&#8230;   is a  long text, wantet only to say that&#8230;</p>
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		By: Joe Pendleton		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Apr 2024 06:11:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This wasn&#039;t the case in my personal journey in Scientology. I joined staff when I was 19, became an auditor and CS, and left when I was on the BC 35 years later. I didn&#039;t like being told what to do all the time or to have my personal decisions argued about by others (and they tried, believe me, they tried) ...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This wasn&#8217;t the case in my personal journey in Scientology. I joined staff when I was 19, became an auditor and CS, and left when I was on the BC 35 years later. I didn&#8217;t like being told what to do all the time or to have my personal decisions argued about by others (and they tried, believe me, they tried) &#8230;</p>
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		By: Tori James Art		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Apr 2024 05:01:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I was involved in a church and when I left I felt like I needed insuctions,and information to love because I didn&#039;t think for myself before I left. It was weird finally  being able to think independently without any instuctons or information and the thought of fear that I was going to do something wrong. I didn&#039;t know it had a name.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was involved in a church and when I left I felt like I needed insuctions,and information to love because I didn&#8217;t think for myself before I left. It was weird finally  being able to think independently without any instuctons or information and the thought of fear that I was going to do something wrong. I didn&#8217;t know it had a name.</p>
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		By: Aquamarine		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Apr 2024 03:30:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Totally underrstood on all of this, and it is indeed horrific, but - BUT!  Here&#039;s the real mindf**k with regard to how Scientology gaslights you:

In theory - IN THEORY - one of the principle purposes of Scientology is to ENHANCE self determinism, to REHABILITATE it, and in so doing, make the BEING &quot;come alive&quot; again.

But in practice, one is continually reminded that in order to &quot;go free&quot; there is a &quot;closely taped path&quot; to be followed, a path from which one must NEVER deviate!

Ok, now, how the hell can someone be self determined AND &quot;follow&quot; a  rigid path and never deviate from it?

Here&#039;s how its done:  The person gets continually VALIDATED for &quot;following the closely taped path&quot; and CONVINCED he/she is following order solely  under his or her OWN determinism!

And when the person DOESN&#039;T follow the path, when he/she wanders from it, well, that&#039;s the reactive mind!  That wandering from the path is the reactive mind exerting FORCE on the person to go &quot;out ethics&quot;.  

The grooming, the training,  the monitoring, the validating (and invalidating) is such that eventually, the person becomes a total compliant robot while at the same time convinced that he or she is doing exactly what he or she wants to do; its ALL self determined,  all his or her own independent decisions.

Quite a trick, no?

I mean, there are people who are very dependent upon others&#039;s opinions and orders who need and want heavy control,  who like to be bossed and micro-managed, who WANT a blueprint for every major and minor action in their lives - but at LEAST they KNOW that they require this!  They KNOW that they like to be controlled, they KNOW that they loathe making decisions on their own, etc., etc.  

But how many people are walking around, obeying every order, complying to the letter with every policy as regards all of their activities large and small, while at the same time believing themselves to be totally self-determined?

Quite a trick, right?  Well the cult does it with praise.  They praise obedience and call it self determinism.  When you are OBEYING, you are self determined!

Cute!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Totally underrstood on all of this, and it is indeed horrific, but &#8211; BUT!  Here&#8217;s the real mindf**k with regard to how Scientology gaslights you:</p>
<p>In theory &#8211; IN THEORY &#8211; one of the principle purposes of Scientology is to ENHANCE self determinism, to REHABILITATE it, and in so doing, make the BEING &#8220;come alive&#8221; again.</p>
<p>But in practice, one is continually reminded that in order to &#8220;go free&#8221; there is a &#8220;closely taped path&#8221; to be followed, a path from which one must NEVER deviate!</p>
<p>Ok, now, how the hell can someone be self determined AND &#8220;follow&#8221; a  rigid path and never deviate from it?</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s how its done:  The person gets continually VALIDATED for &#8220;following the closely taped path&#8221; and CONVINCED he/she is following order solely  under his or her OWN determinism!</p>
<p>And when the person DOESN&#8217;T follow the path, when he/she wanders from it, well, that&#8217;s the reactive mind!  That wandering from the path is the reactive mind exerting FORCE on the person to go &#8220;out ethics&#8221;.  </p>
<p>The grooming, the training,  the monitoring, the validating (and invalidating) is such that eventually, the person becomes a total compliant robot while at the same time convinced that he or she is doing exactly what he or she wants to do; its ALL self determined,  all his or her own independent decisions.</p>
<p>Quite a trick, no?</p>
<p>I mean, there are people who are very dependent upon others&#8217;s opinions and orders who need and want heavy control,  who like to be bossed and micro-managed, who WANT a blueprint for every major and minor action in their lives &#8211; but at LEAST they KNOW that they require this!  They KNOW that they like to be controlled, they KNOW that they loathe making decisions on their own, etc., etc.  </p>
<p>But how many people are walking around, obeying every order, complying to the letter with every policy as regards all of their activities large and small, while at the same time believing themselves to be totally self-determined?</p>
<p>Quite a trick, right?  Well the cult does it with praise.  They praise obedience and call it self determinism.  When you are OBEYING, you are self determined!</p>
<p>Cute!</p>
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