He launders money for the church or for himself with 1031 scams and tennaancy in common fake subdivided cams, passing to his daughter and illegally contracting with a son-in-law who doesn’t have a valid contractor’s license. By finding ways to kill tenants and ruin their neighborhood, they can jack a building and then take all the people’s belongings, selling them on RealReal and eBay, etc. It’s a real FU operation to the entire Los Angeles community, but it’s really him, his daughter Cheney, his son-in-law, and boss around Alan Marcuson’s son, Josh Marcuson. They basically ruin people’s lives until they are destitute. But it doesn’t stop there; it’s a web of shell companies, dirty deals with Andrew Bank, Keith David William, five lawyers – Joann Gailin, Richard Judson Williams, Randy Williams – underwriter Cathy Morphopolis, Paris’s sister. Hell, I bet Paula is forging paintings. I mean, it’s not just Ken; it’s Trina Sears too.”

If COB was smart he would empty the Hole of people and send them to big events. There would be more than 50 people showing up and it would give the illusion of numbers. And of course he could send an equal amount of security staff to make sure nobody “goes off the rails”.

Very Ironic what George Bush says, midway through the video, about how we want to build a country that’s more like the Waltons and less like the Simpsons.

Little did he know that, decades later, “Mary Ellen” would become good friends with “Bart Simpson”. lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYHo3Ytcb0M

#2 is Steve “Sarge” Pfauth (RIP) . List could use some updating. It’s likely some names would come off,while some others could be added. Or, thinking about it, of what use is the list anyway?

Cindy, One person is not relevant when referring to an overall movement. That is like saying that the CoS isn’t almost empty of people taking service (when that IS the case) because a single Class V org has PC’s.

Trey ( i know him) has had PC’s for many decades and probably will until he dies.

From what I see, all of them are involved in “regging” which gives commissions for funds raised. Charmaine and Bruce Rogers, the Taufers, Vicki Shantz. They get a percentage of the funds they raise for the Church, but are required to put some of their ill-gotten wealth back into the Church.

I remember Charmaine pulling 750K in one year in the late 90’s for their Superpower fundraising. That was take-home; they were regging close to 8-10 million a year.

I find it very interesting and perhaps more telling that you make a “statement” as above with absolutely NO references to check or citations, as one would find in any statement of truth. Sounds more in line with bigoted name calling.

Like I said, ” I doubt that there’s any way to take a really accurate assessment of it.”. I personally know about 20 people here in Oz who are busy doing the independent-of-CofS scientology thing. That’s a small number, of course, but they’re busy little bees as far as I can tell. I’ve been out of the all-things-scientology loop for a long time and have little interest in these things nowadays. I’d suggest that you check out the Ron’s Org (Free (space) Zone) and Freezone/Indie groups for some actual dox on what’s ocurring Training and Processing-wise.

Thanks, Mike Rinder! Good to read your reply, although I was responding to Mike Wysinski’s posting that the Indie movement had collapsed. I too am glad that there are auditors auditing in the Indie world as it tells the KA drinkers, the UTR’s and the newly out that yes, there is Scn in the Indie field, and yes you can get standard auditing there, and yes you can still “have your eternity” even though you leave the church! So that threat of your whole spiritual eternity is now threatened unless you do as we say (in corporate Scn) is an empty threat and a lie. You can have it all and eat cake too! So come on out all your UTR’s and fence sitters! The water’s fine.