Thank you for replying, ill keep looking for a copy.

No, it’s long gone. I vaguely recall that there were four or five steps in addressing an “item” with none of them directly addressing specific incidents, just the thoughts and considerations about the item.

Do you still have the cassette tape? I have been looking for a copy for a long time.

True . That was said for 20 years at the least .

Thank you kindly. I appreciate the tip. ?

I can only speak for myself. For most of my seven year participation I was public with less than two years on staff at the Salt Lake City mission and later at a satellite mission they started in Bellevue, Washington. I don’t recall signing any staff contracts and since I held no upper level positions I was able to come and go at times to do business out of state. Maybe I was considered part time staff but I don’t remember. I paid for any training I got outside of the mission which I got for free while working on staff.

Many scientologist ran unskilled or semi skilled businesses like house cleaning and house painting and allowed scientologists to work around their schedules. In LA there were also several legitimate scientology run sales organizations selling home improvements, water purification systems and so on and did likewise.

I never experienced any high pressure regging. The usual sales pitch was that if you didn’t immediately go onto your next course or action “the bank” would kick back in and get you – haha. Maybe if I was wealthy they would have turned the screws harder.

When the monthly price increases resumed I saw that “the reality was it was all about the money” and joined the Great Exodus in LA and split, even though at that time I had no disagreement with The Tek.

Richard, I also was fortunate to be somewhere far removed. It wasn’t until I went to California for some training, and started asking questions, that I really started to realize how much was wrong and how much we’d been lied to, particularly when it came to finances. It’s tough to confront such things, I know.

For a long time since, I’ve made an effort to ask insiders and old-timers about what was going on, in an attempt to understand the big picture. What I’ve consistently heard from people in the know was that things had gotten ugly early on at many of the orgs and quite a few of the missions, and that from the mid-1970s on most of both weren’t getting in enough new “raw meat,” in good part due to the end of the flow of young baby boomers – there was a struggle over a shrinking pie, though it wasn’t obvious everywhere, plus price rises and other subterfuges were used to keep GI up.

At the seemingly successful Riverside mission, fraudulent loans, child neglect by staff, and the hounding of people who tried to leave, went back at least as far as 1972-3:

http://www.forum.exscn.net/threads/riverside-mission.115/page-12#post-395603

Hard sell reg techniques at the mission included bugging rooms and culling PC folders for information, and even staff had to take out loans – “the reality was it was all about the money”:

http://www.forum.exscn.net/threads/riverside-mission.115/page-3#post-68218

Just how did you manage to get by? Did you have to work other jobs, or take out loans – as money was being sent “uplines” and added to reserves? Was there exploitative or abusive treatment of staff where you were?

Yes! Richard,

I remember the BTBs (Board Technical Bulletins of the 70’s) as an attempt to describe the tech in a coherent manner and with a logical flow, instead of bits and pieces of a single thought spread over a number of bulletins and years. I remember Ken Uquhart(?) being in the middle of that. And rumors that fresh packs of the organized tech levels were being proposed to Ron. Then he slammed that door and punished everyone involved in ‘squirreling’ HIS tech.

Levy (Titus Livius) (Roman historian) wrote that a Monarch soon became a Dictator, and then a Tyrant with the collapse of that government .
Machiavelli expanded on this in his “Discourses”. Damn! Humans just do not learn.

Nibs wrote that about his dad.

Trivia to add – Soon after I split scn someone gave me a cassette tape about Avatar. I’m pretty sure it was Avatar. The tape include an Avatar “session”. The idea as I understood it was that instead of running chains of incidents to a basic, you only needed to address the thought or consideration holding an item in place. A scientologist would argue that incidents have mass which needs to be discharged for the item to erase. (I’m using scn lingo here and like I said it’s just trivia.)

Also on the tape Palmer was talking about while “going through” the Wall of Fire and “writhing on the floor” it occurred to him that why not just sit back and look at what he thought about it rather than going through it. I don’t recall whether he was implying that the W of F was still real to him. Those were the days!