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		By: Wynski		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wynski]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Aug 2017 12:17:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/still-waiting-for-scientology-ots-to-change-the-world/#comment-186433&quot;&gt;webber517gdw&lt;/a&gt;.

Its ok wbber.  Scientologists get upset when their false beliefs are exposed and shaken.

It is an indication that they are still cultists.]]></description>
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<p>Its ok wbber.  Scientologists get upset when their false beliefs are exposed and shaken.</p>
<p>It is an indication that they are still cultists.</p>
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		By: Gus Cox		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gus Cox]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Aug 2017 00:42:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Hell…they haven’t even cleared Clearwater.&quot;

They haven&#039;t even cleared the goddamned Sea Org!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Hell…they haven’t even cleared Clearwater.&#8221;</p>
<p>They haven&#8217;t even cleared the goddamned Sea Org!</p>
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		By: Mike Rinder		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Rinder]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Aug 2017 23:16:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/still-waiting-for-scientology-ots-to-change-the-world/#comment-186560&quot;&gt;T-Marie&lt;/a&gt;.

It was compiled by David Phillips and Sue Koon based on very detailed and explicit direction from LRH, including submitting every issue and definition and drawing to him.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/still-waiting-for-scientology-ots-to-change-the-world/#comment-186560">T-Marie</a>.</p>
<p>It was compiled by David Phillips and Sue Koon based on very detailed and explicit direction from LRH, including submitting every issue and definition and drawing to him.</p>
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		By: T-Marie		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[T-Marie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Aug 2017 22:57:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/still-waiting-for-scientology-ots-to-change-the-world/#comment-186258&quot;&gt;Mike Rinder&lt;/a&gt;.

Mike, wasn&#039;t KTL created by someone(s) other than LRH?]]></description>
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<p>Mike, wasn&#8217;t KTL created by someone(s) other than LRH?</p>
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		By: FG		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[FG]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Aug 2017 22:50:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/still-waiting-for-scientology-ots-to-change-the-world/#comment-186455&quot;&gt;FG&lt;/a&gt;.

With DM it&#039;s just a matter of justice. Like a woman who has been raped, if the man who did it is brought to justice, reality comes back.
Scientology was a reality and DM destroyed it. Justice should be brought to restore reality. It&#039;s not about me or personnal hatred, it&#039;s a third dynamic process to put the truth there.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/still-waiting-for-scientology-ots-to-change-the-world/#comment-186455">FG</a>.</p>
<p>With DM it&#8217;s just a matter of justice. Like a woman who has been raped, if the man who did it is brought to justice, reality comes back.<br />
Scientology was a reality and DM destroyed it. Justice should be brought to restore reality. It&#8217;s not about me or personnal hatred, it&#8217;s a third dynamic process to put the truth there.</p>
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		By: Thetaclear		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Thetaclear]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Aug 2017 21:17:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/still-waiting-for-scientology-ots-to-change-the-world/#comment-186430&quot;&gt;Brian&lt;/a&gt;.

“So Namaste means ‘I bow to the light of the soul in you’. It’s a beautiful way to greet others by acknowledging their spiritual nature. Namaste Theta Clear!”



Namaste, Brian!! :-) That&#039;s a wonderful greeting; thanks!



“BTW, I used to love the term Theta Clear. It is a great concept. It could be the equivalent of the Sanskrit word jivamukti. Jiva means the individual soul and is the etymological root of genie or Jinn (soul) And Mukti means liberation. So the definition translates to &#039;freed, liberated while living in a body’.”



“Jivamukti”? I think I like that word too! :-)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/still-waiting-for-scientology-ots-to-change-the-world/#comment-186430">Brian</a>.</p>
<p>“So Namaste means ‘I bow to the light of the soul in you’. It’s a beautiful way to greet others by acknowledging their spiritual nature. Namaste Theta Clear!”</p>
<p>Namaste, Brian!! 🙂 That&#8217;s a wonderful greeting; thanks!</p>
<p>“BTW, I used to love the term Theta Clear. It is a great concept. It could be the equivalent of the Sanskrit word jivamukti. Jiva means the individual soul and is the etymological root of genie or Jinn (soul) And Mukti means liberation. So the definition translates to &#8216;freed, liberated while living in a body’.”</p>
<p>“Jivamukti”? I think I like that word too! 🙂</p>
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		By: Mike Rinder		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Rinder]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Aug 2017 19:58:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/still-waiting-for-scientology-ots-to-change-the-world/#comment-186503&quot;&gt;Thetaclear&lt;/a&gt;.

Please take this to email. It&#039;s just become a personal correspondence.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/still-waiting-for-scientology-ots-to-change-the-world/#comment-186503">Thetaclear</a>.</p>
<p>Please take this to email. It&#8217;s just become a personal correspondence.</p>
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		By: Thetaclear		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Thetaclear]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Aug 2017 19:28:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/still-waiting-for-scientology-ots-to-change-the-world/#comment-186390&quot;&gt;Spike&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;For sure, Thetaclear, I was thinking that too. Hope you have a great day …&quot;



You too, Spike! :-)]]></description>
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<p>&#8220;For sure, Thetaclear, I was thinking that too. Hope you have a great day …&#8221;</p>
<p>You too, Spike! 🙂</p>
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		By: Thetaclear		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Thetaclear]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Aug 2017 19:08:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/still-waiting-for-scientology-ots-to-change-the-world/#comment-186455&quot;&gt;FG&lt;/a&gt;.

“Are wins provable ? It’s really a frame of mind, Entirely subjective. Placebo effect indeed. Now I had few experiences as auditor which seems to prove the reality of it.”



You know FG, the curious thing about the so called, “Placebo Effect” is that “scientists” have not been able to explain that phenomenon yet. At least not satisfactorily, no. But by accepting the notion of “placebo effect” as true, one is - as a direct conclusion from that premise - accepting (and OFFICIALLY so, I may add) that “Thought” or “Consciousness” CAN alter, modify, or improve both behavior and health. Isn&#039;t that interesting!! For me, the placebo effect is the best proof of many of LRH’s claims about the mechanisms of the mind, though I accept that his views on that are not original in ANY way, shape or form. And that brings hope to my heart, :-) There is hope that actual healing can exist. 



Wow FG, that was a very interesting story, about this lady you helped. Well done; you have a free mind as a Scn sympathizer. There were not that  many like us in Scn. This  idea that anyone has what is takes to become a professional therapist is silly indeed. I know VERY few auditors who actually had the skills of a real pro. 



Prepchecks is one of those pieces of Tech that I would keep. What is basically does is to “attack” an area of fixated attention (a heavy problem, worry, to use non-Scientologese, haha) from all possible angles that a PC have thought about it, and taking off all considerations, past evaluations, and decisions he/she has made about it. The result is of course, less fixation and more freed attention units which equals extroversion which equals “more happy”. 



“Well, of course basically one is responsible for himself. But it’s often used to soften the responsibility of the church.”



I know that it is frequently used by the CofS to avoid being responsible for their own errors, but the datum still applies. When everything has been said and done, it all comes down to the willingness to search for the causes of anything undesirable within ourselves. If this were not the case, if the solution didn&#039;t lay within ourselves, then no healing would ever be possible. That&#039;s what I meant by not misplacing authorship. Now if you understand the Tech as I know you do, and considering this from only that viewpoint (as opposed to other practices), you know that as much a SP as DM can be, hating him or desiring his destruction isn&#039;t going to do any good to you, as you would only be pulling in motivators. Real healing, based on my own experiences, only occurs when forgiveness and the willingness to let go of something is present. Lacking that, there is only sorrow and pain. 



Now by that, I don&#039;t mean that he should not be made accountable for his actions; he SHOULD be. But one shouldn&#039;t be emotionally invested on it, because if one is, then you would be heavily holding on to something that will only make your life miserable. Is it worth doing that, I ask you? I don&#039;t think it is. You need to let go of it, my friend. Just let go of it. Do that for your sanity, for your health. I am telling you as a friend, just let go of it; it ain&#039;t worth it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/still-waiting-for-scientology-ots-to-change-the-world/#comment-186455">FG</a>.</p>
<p>“Are wins provable ? It’s really a frame of mind, Entirely subjective. Placebo effect indeed. Now I had few experiences as auditor which seems to prove the reality of it.”</p>
<p>You know FG, the curious thing about the so called, “Placebo Effect” is that “scientists” have not been able to explain that phenomenon yet. At least not satisfactorily, no. But by accepting the notion of “placebo effect” as true, one is &#8211; as a direct conclusion from that premise &#8211; accepting (and OFFICIALLY so, I may add) that “Thought” or “Consciousness” CAN alter, modify, or improve both behavior and health. Isn&#8217;t that interesting!! For me, the placebo effect is the best proof of many of LRH’s claims about the mechanisms of the mind, though I accept that his views on that are not original in ANY way, shape or form. And that brings hope to my heart, 🙂 There is hope that actual healing can exist. </p>
<p>Wow FG, that was a very interesting story, about this lady you helped. Well done; you have a free mind as a Scn sympathizer. There were not that  many like us in Scn. This  idea that anyone has what is takes to become a professional therapist is silly indeed. I know VERY few auditors who actually had the skills of a real pro. </p>
<p>Prepchecks is one of those pieces of Tech that I would keep. What is basically does is to “attack” an area of fixated attention (a heavy problem, worry, to use non-Scientologese, haha) from all possible angles that a PC have thought about it, and taking off all considerations, past evaluations, and decisions he/she has made about it. The result is of course, less fixation and more freed attention units which equals extroversion which equals “more happy”. </p>
<p>“Well, of course basically one is responsible for himself. But it’s often used to soften the responsibility of the church.”</p>
<p>I know that it is frequently used by the CofS to avoid being responsible for their own errors, but the datum still applies. When everything has been said and done, it all comes down to the willingness to search for the causes of anything undesirable within ourselves. If this were not the case, if the solution didn&#8217;t lay within ourselves, then no healing would ever be possible. That&#8217;s what I meant by not misplacing authorship. Now if you understand the Tech as I know you do, and considering this from only that viewpoint (as opposed to other practices), you know that as much a SP as DM can be, hating him or desiring his destruction isn&#8217;t going to do any good to you, as you would only be pulling in motivators. Real healing, based on my own experiences, only occurs when forgiveness and the willingness to let go of something is present. Lacking that, there is only sorrow and pain. </p>
<p>Now by that, I don&#8217;t mean that he should not be made accountable for his actions; he SHOULD be. But one shouldn&#8217;t be emotionally invested on it, because if one is, then you would be heavily holding on to something that will only make your life miserable. Is it worth doing that, I ask you? I don&#8217;t think it is. You need to let go of it, my friend. Just let go of it. Do that for your sanity, for your health. I am telling you as a friend, just let go of it; it ain&#8217;t worth it.</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Aug 2017 16:37:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/still-waiting-for-scientology-ots-to-change-the-world/#comment-186375&quot;&gt;Thetaclear&lt;/a&gt;.

Are wins provable ? It&#039;s really a frame of mind, Intirely subjective. Placebo effect indeed. Now I had few experiences as auditor which seems to prove the reality of it. I had a PC back to the seventies (later they wouldn&#039;t have accepted the PC!).
The woman was depressed, so bloody sad. She went for psychotherapy. Had not any idea of scientology at all. The CS was ruds with no technical words like &quot;are you sad ? When did it start ? What happened ? (two way comm style) note reading statement, and precheck it (I wonder if didn&#039;t already tell the story). As she was very invalidated she said &quot;I feel invisible LFBD&quot;. Well I prepchecked it.I didnt realize that it was a level on the tack scale (from HCOB Time Track). The process turned on track incidents. There was a mad TA action. She was amazed having no idea of past lives or anything like that. 
It took at least one hour to flatten and have an FN. She didn&#039;t express any VGI&#039;s. I was concerned of having done an &quot;out gradient&quot; session and that she would &quot;red tagged&quot; next day.
Well, next day, she went to the org. Her eyes were sparkling, and she said to the DofP that this morning she felt so light, so happy it was a miracle. She attested to life repair !
And I dont know what happened to her next. Did she keep her win ? I don&#039;t know. But it really happened. 
You said this :
&quot;I am really sorry about what happened to you, FG, but just remember, the more authorship you place on them about your conditions in life, the less able you will be to As-is those conditions. You gotta own them to do something effective and lasting about it.&quot;
Well, of course basically one is responsible for himself. Bit it&#039;s often used to soften the responsibility of the church.
If you consider the CS series (and basically the whole of the tech), if PCs goes adrift, has bad indicators, goes sick after auditing or after ethics,it means tech was applied incorrectly, always. This is the red tag rule, one is not allowed not to repair red tag,after 24 hours all stat of the day are cancelled. It&#039;s a terrible high crime. It is the essence of KSW. Not to allow out tech. And he said it&#039;s not government or monoploies which will destroy scientology but out tech, Only out tech, with dissatisfied PC, no results or poor results. He doesnt even speak of totally upset people recieiving service on the tone 1,5;totalitarian auditing, autoritarian tech. They are WILDLY OUT TECH AND OUT ETHICS. Even Hubbard couldn&#039;t imagine such a departure from the ideal scene.
On my case I had ethics handling and was retained on the freewind against my will. I was wildly out list, and I&#039;m still it. Unless David Miscavige is properly SP declared, expelled from the church and brought to justice, I will feel the fricking life is not corrected. All His crime have to be written that any scientologist could read it.
Those people on this blog are all red tag and uncorrected. Miscavige has killed Qual and replace it by RTC which is a travesty of scientology in a nazi valence.
He has faked the source. He is not a scientologist, he is the greatest ennemy scientology ever had. Rimini and all are nothing of that. They actually only do what they do because of Miscavige.
Rimini and Mike Rinder are fist pissed with Miscavige. Without him nothing of that would exist. The majority would still be in the church. If on this blog there are real ennemies of the subject of scientology they must thanks and support Miscavige.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/still-waiting-for-scientology-ots-to-change-the-world/#comment-186375">Thetaclear</a>.</p>
<p>Are wins provable ? It&#8217;s really a frame of mind, Intirely subjective. Placebo effect indeed. Now I had few experiences as auditor which seems to prove the reality of it. I had a PC back to the seventies (later they wouldn&#8217;t have accepted the PC!).<br />
The woman was depressed, so bloody sad. She went for psychotherapy. Had not any idea of scientology at all. The CS was ruds with no technical words like &#8220;are you sad ? When did it start ? What happened ? (two way comm style) note reading statement, and precheck it (I wonder if didn&#8217;t already tell the story). As she was very invalidated she said &#8220;I feel invisible LFBD&#8221;. Well I prepchecked it.I didnt realize that it was a level on the tack scale (from HCOB Time Track). The process turned on track incidents. There was a mad TA action. She was amazed having no idea of past lives or anything like that.<br />
It took at least one hour to flatten and have an FN. She didn&#8217;t express any VGI&#8217;s. I was concerned of having done an &#8220;out gradient&#8221; session and that she would &#8220;red tagged&#8221; next day.<br />
Well, next day, she went to the org. Her eyes were sparkling, and she said to the DofP that this morning she felt so light, so happy it was a miracle. She attested to life repair !<br />
And I dont know what happened to her next. Did she keep her win ? I don&#8217;t know. But it really happened.<br />
You said this :<br />
&#8220;I am really sorry about what happened to you, FG, but just remember, the more authorship you place on them about your conditions in life, the less able you will be to As-is those conditions. You gotta own them to do something effective and lasting about it.&#8221;<br />
Well, of course basically one is responsible for himself. Bit it&#8217;s often used to soften the responsibility of the church.<br />
If you consider the CS series (and basically the whole of the tech), if PCs goes adrift, has bad indicators, goes sick after auditing or after ethics,it means tech was applied incorrectly, always. This is the red tag rule, one is not allowed not to repair red tag,after 24 hours all stat of the day are cancelled. It&#8217;s a terrible high crime. It is the essence of KSW. Not to allow out tech. And he said it&#8217;s not government or monoploies which will destroy scientology but out tech, Only out tech, with dissatisfied PC, no results or poor results. He doesnt even speak of totally upset people recieiving service on the tone 1,5;totalitarian auditing, autoritarian tech. They are WILDLY OUT TECH AND OUT ETHICS. Even Hubbard couldn&#8217;t imagine such a departure from the ideal scene.<br />
On my case I had ethics handling and was retained on the freewind against my will. I was wildly out list, and I&#8217;m still it. Unless David Miscavige is properly SP declared, expelled from the church and brought to justice, I will feel the fricking life is not corrected. All His crime have to be written that any scientologist could read it.<br />
Those people on this blog are all red tag and uncorrected. Miscavige has killed Qual and replace it by RTC which is a travesty of scientology in a nazi valence.<br />
He has faked the source. He is not a scientologist, he is the greatest ennemy scientology ever had. Rimini and all are nothing of that. They actually only do what they do because of Miscavige.<br />
Rimini and Mike Rinder are fist pissed with Miscavige. Without him nothing of that would exist. The majority would still be in the church. If on this blog there are real ennemies of the subject of scientology they must thanks and support Miscavige.</p>
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