Doesn’t matter Dominik . The lie must be material to what you pay for. Example: If they sell you Orange juice that is not from oranges then you have a claim. If they tell you that the founder of the OJ company fought in a war when he didn’t then you have not been damaged. Whether or not the owner fought in a war 70 years ago has no bearing on the quality of the OJ you bought today.

Pmeier, thanks for verifying that you are a troll.

Yep, Wynski. No version of it ends up putting Hubbard in a good light, as I said recently in regards to another aspect.

Also, his claim is that he commanded “corvettes” plural, and a “squadron” (November 7, 1959, Welcome Address. Melbourne Congress). Clearly from his record, he never commanded groups of ships of any type, much less real warships like corvettes.

I think that Hubbard and others of his era would have been familiar with corvettes from 19th century accounts of sailing ships of that class, such as in confronting the Barbary pirates and fighting in the War of 1812. He was attempting to use the misleading reference to put a false swashbuckling spin on his abortive commands of converted trawlers and the like.

FP probably gets a bit of a “thought stopping” break from having to confront the reality that even the independent scientology scene is failing and dying, by coming here to nitpick and snipe.

I get it, but they are making a fond rasing, isn´t it the same if I made a fond rasing saying, “help me pay me cancer bills” and posted false fotos om for exampel facebook and I didn´t have cancer at all ? there had been some cases here and they all got jail.
I understand they can say what what, even if it´s really low to claim that he was a “hero”, but aren´t they misleading and taking money under false pretenses, when the claims and the basis of the fond raiser are false? that´s what I though was strange, but they probably had their lawers make some disclaimer that you barely see, or some word formulation that makes it all legal 🙁
The best way to stop it, is probably to make the public and veteran organizations aware of it.

Peacemaker, what the Fool is trying to say is that Hubtard didn’t lie about the type of ship he was on, it is that Hubtard was too stupid to know what kind of ship he was on. Which is worse?

FP, the term corvette has a specific technical meaning in naval parlance – i would think you would understand something like that:

Term: corvette (n)
Definition: 1) A fast, highly manoeuvrable warship, somewhat smaller than a destroyer. 2) An armed sailing ship smaller than a frigate. (archaic)

http://www.seatalk.info/cgi-bin/nautical-marine-sailing-dictionary/db.cgi?db=db&uid=default&FirstLetter=c&sb=Term&view_records=View+Records&nh=9

Given that destroyers were then around 1,500 to 2,000 tons, that defines a ship of about 1,000 tons – corresponding to displacements on that list of WWII corvettes that I posted in another comment. The largest ship the Navy let Hubbard take to sea was nowhere near that size – which also says something about his competence (his officer evaluations, which would not have been altered even if his records were “sheep dipped,” also consistently state he was not suited to major responsibilities).

Why do you demean people like Owen who have done hard, thorough work to get to the truth? “Dr.” Hubbard had a problem with telling the truth, including his various credentials and even down to the number of wives he had, accept it.

It is irrelevant what they were. Only what they WERE NOT as Hubtard made the FALSE CLAIM of what he served on. MORON. If he had claimed he served on a BB and was on PT they are also both armed ships. Only the BB barely scrapes through the Panama canal and has 18″ guns while the PR is ~60′ long with 40MM guns.

Thanks for showing your 40 IQ and COMPLETE lack of logic.

FoolP, all you have to do is google something like “corvettes us navy world war 2” and you’ll get a list showing that in fact Owen is right – there were just those few corvettes in the US Navy, and Hubbard lied:

List of corvettes of World War II
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_corvettes_of_World_War_II

Note also that all the corvettes were around 1,000 tons, far larger than any ship the US Navy ever put Hubbard in command of – he was clearly trying to claim something much more impressive than he had actually achieved.

So more importantly, what if Hubbard similarly told lots of “little white lies” about his “work,” and the “tech”? Would that help explain why it is factually failing out in the real world, and even you indies can’t do more than attract a few refugees from the CofS? After all, Hubbard said that if Dianetics and Scientology worked, it would attract so many people that the orgs would be overflowing – or was that a lie, too?