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		By: Jere Lull (37 years recovering)		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jere Lull (37 years recovering)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2018 00:06:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/sunday-redux-the-big-ideal-org-lie/#comment-66952&quot;&gt;Chuck Beatty&lt;/a&gt;.

Yup!, CENTRAL ORGS is the answer; Just like the USSR&#039;s &quot;central planning&quot;, 5-year plans, and similar....  THEY did just grandly, didn&#039;t they?  Bankrupted the topheavy hegemony, despite the MANY resources available to them.  Dwarfenführer doesn&#039;t have similar resources, and none renewable.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/sunday-redux-the-big-ideal-org-lie/#comment-66952">Chuck Beatty</a>.</p>
<p>Yup!, CENTRAL ORGS is the answer; Just like the USSR&#8217;s &#8220;central planning&#8221;, 5-year plans, and similar&#8230;.  THEY did just grandly, didn&#8217;t they?  Bankrupted the topheavy hegemony, despite the MANY resources available to them.  Dwarfenführer doesn&#8217;t have similar resources, and none renewable.</p>
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		By: Aquamarine		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Aquamarine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2014 23:44:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/sunday-redux-the-big-ideal-org-lie/#comment-66931&quot;&gt;LDW&lt;/a&gt;.

I agree with all your points, LDW. David Miscavige could care less how empty the orgs are.  What&#039;s he&#039;s doing now is milking money from whoever and whatever he can, for as long as he can, before he is cued to implement one of his pre-planned exit strategies.  But I also think that he is dreading what will be at some point his very necessary exit, because he&#039;ll be giving up the control of people and the admiration that he craves.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/sunday-redux-the-big-ideal-org-lie/#comment-66931">LDW</a>.</p>
<p>I agree with all your points, LDW. David Miscavige could care less how empty the orgs are.  What&#8217;s he&#8217;s doing now is milking money from whoever and whatever he can, for as long as he can, before he is cued to implement one of his pre-planned exit strategies.  But I also think that he is dreading what will be at some point his very necessary exit, because he&#8217;ll be giving up the control of people and the admiration that he craves.</p>
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		By: Chuck Beatty		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chuck Beatty]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2014 13:19:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/sunday-redux-the-big-ideal-org-lie/#comment-66962&quot;&gt;Chuck Beatty&lt;/a&gt;.

.....CST headquarters near the Int Base, and the other CST vault sites, seem to be the place where Scientology patrons ought to be gouged to pay for some great rock sculpturing  if you ask me, do some Gutzum Borglum intricate Ajanta Caves stuff with Hubbard&#039;s works, that&#039;d be human tradition.   But Hubbard was kind of superficial, and that&#039;s current Miscavige Scientology structures mentality, and Shelly at CST doesn&#039;t have the power of the purse to waste the Hubbard stash of money to pay for some rock sculpturing of LRH&#039;s ideas permanently at the sites, the CST logo bulldozed into the group was so temporary, it needed to be more like the lines in the ground in Peru to make a real long range impact here on earth, pointing to LRH&#039;s archives, etc.    

Scientology is really so smalltime and shortrange.   In 200 years all the buildings will collapse anyways, all these buildings they&#039;ve chosen to use.   

They ought to make a nice permanent Pyramid in the LA Org parking lot!  Get the money out of the celebs fast, and then collapse, and then let their buildings in LA at least be part of the Hollywood Tourist route!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/sunday-redux-the-big-ideal-org-lie/#comment-66962">Chuck Beatty</a>.</p>
<p>&#8230;..CST headquarters near the Int Base, and the other CST vault sites, seem to be the place where Scientology patrons ought to be gouged to pay for some great rock sculpturing  if you ask me, do some Gutzum Borglum intricate Ajanta Caves stuff with Hubbard&#8217;s works, that&#8217;d be human tradition.   But Hubbard was kind of superficial, and that&#8217;s current Miscavige Scientology structures mentality, and Shelly at CST doesn&#8217;t have the power of the purse to waste the Hubbard stash of money to pay for some rock sculpturing of LRH&#8217;s ideas permanently at the sites, the CST logo bulldozed into the group was so temporary, it needed to be more like the lines in the ground in Peru to make a real long range impact here on earth, pointing to LRH&#8217;s archives, etc.    </p>
<p>Scientology is really so smalltime and shortrange.   In 200 years all the buildings will collapse anyways, all these buildings they&#8217;ve chosen to use.   </p>
<p>They ought to make a nice permanent Pyramid in the LA Org parking lot!  Get the money out of the celebs fast, and then collapse, and then let their buildings in LA at least be part of the Hollywood Tourist route!</p>
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		By: Chuck Beatty		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chuck Beatty]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2014 13:11:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/sunday-redux-the-big-ideal-org-lie/#comment-66962&quot;&gt;Chuck Beatty&lt;/a&gt;.

Further, on the abandoned buildings paid for by the wealthy followers of a particular religion who were competing to fund their buildings for their religion, or temple or monk sites, whatever, Scientology&#039;s leftovers in Clearwater and LA, I&#039;d have hoped at least Scientology would waste their funds ultimately in something more lasting that the decaying Hotels and ex Hospitals and even the Superpower Building isn&#039;t going to last anywhere as long as the Ajanta Caves.

Religious site/buildings ought at least be substantial, like the Pyramids or Ajanta Caves!    And last, so they can at least be future tourist sites!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/sunday-redux-the-big-ideal-org-lie/#comment-66962">Chuck Beatty</a>.</p>
<p>Further, on the abandoned buildings paid for by the wealthy followers of a particular religion who were competing to fund their buildings for their religion, or temple or monk sites, whatever, Scientology&#8217;s leftovers in Clearwater and LA, I&#8217;d have hoped at least Scientology would waste their funds ultimately in something more lasting that the decaying Hotels and ex Hospitals and even the Superpower Building isn&#8217;t going to last anywhere as long as the Ajanta Caves.</p>
<p>Religious site/buildings ought at least be substantial, like the Pyramids or Ajanta Caves!    And last, so they can at least be future tourist sites!</p>
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		By: Chuck Beatty		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chuck Beatty]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2014 13:06:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/sunday-redux-the-big-ideal-org-lie/#comment-66961&quot;&gt;Chuck Beatty&lt;/a&gt;.

I also must say, speaking for the non existent scholars who don&#039;t take any interest in Scientology, that Dr. Spink&#039;s observations, controversial, that when the last great patron Kings who paid for the most opulent and extravagent stages of the Ajanta Caves devotional praise for the Buddha etc, when those King or the top King was killed or lost out, the whole cave work stopped, abruptly.

Likewise, when the Scientology patrons lose interest, then the already hollowed out shell of Scientology of empty buildings, will likewise turn into abandoned sites, a repeating human history pattern of this donor class of followers who fund these buildings and sites.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/sunday-redux-the-big-ideal-org-lie/#comment-66961">Chuck Beatty</a>.</p>
<p>I also must say, speaking for the non existent scholars who don&#8217;t take any interest in Scientology, that Dr. Spink&#8217;s observations, controversial, that when the last great patron Kings who paid for the most opulent and extravagent stages of the Ajanta Caves devotional praise for the Buddha etc, when those King or the top King was killed or lost out, the whole cave work stopped, abruptly.</p>
<p>Likewise, when the Scientology patrons lose interest, then the already hollowed out shell of Scientology of empty buildings, will likewise turn into abandoned sites, a repeating human history pattern of this donor class of followers who fund these buildings and sites.</p>
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		By: Chuck Beatty		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chuck Beatty]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2014 13:02:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Scientology being a religion or not, it doesn&#039;t seem to be.   They tell themselves it is, fine.

This whole donor pattern though, I was just listening to Dr. Spink, Univ of Michigan 80 year old plus devoted scholar of the Ajanta caves in India, caves of merit for the donors praising the Buddha, the donors competing (I think they were local Kings in India being the donors) to create these lasting caves of praise to their Buddha and saints.

The layers of praise that devoted members, and the patrons competing to praise more than the other patrons, it&#039;s a human pattern, even if Scientology is as odd as it is.

It might explain this whole side donation craze, it does, at least partially in my mind.

The Ajanta Caves funded by the patronage of the then opulent Kings, Dr. Spink at one point in his comments talks about one neighbor trying to impress the other with their impressively payed for new section of cave in more extravagant style than the other patron.

Competing patrons is a human pattern that Scientology&#039;s donor patrons have just probably naturally fallen into and are being goaded by Scientology&#039;s &quot;Status Completion Awards&quot; like for the Mountain View Ideal Org.  (I&#039;m standing in for the non existent &quot;new religion&quot; scholars who are no where on the landscape and should be commenting here on Mike&#039;s blog, you non-existent scholars out there!)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scientology being a religion or not, it doesn&#8217;t seem to be.   They tell themselves it is, fine.</p>
<p>This whole donor pattern though, I was just listening to Dr. Spink, Univ of Michigan 80 year old plus devoted scholar of the Ajanta caves in India, caves of merit for the donors praising the Buddha, the donors competing (I think they were local Kings in India being the donors) to create these lasting caves of praise to their Buddha and saints.</p>
<p>The layers of praise that devoted members, and the patrons competing to praise more than the other patrons, it&#8217;s a human pattern, even if Scientology is as odd as it is.</p>
<p>It might explain this whole side donation craze, it does, at least partially in my mind.</p>
<p>The Ajanta Caves funded by the patronage of the then opulent Kings, Dr. Spink at one point in his comments talks about one neighbor trying to impress the other with their impressively payed for new section of cave in more extravagant style than the other patron.</p>
<p>Competing patrons is a human pattern that Scientology&#8217;s donor patrons have just probably naturally fallen into and are being goaded by Scientology&#8217;s &#8220;Status Completion Awards&#8221; like for the Mountain View Ideal Org.  (I&#8217;m standing in for the non existent &#8220;new religion&#8221; scholars who are no where on the landscape and should be commenting here on Mike&#8217;s blog, you non-existent scholars out there!)</p>
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		By: Hallie Jane		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hallie Jane]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2014 07:19:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[These older articles are great to revisit Mike.  It&#039;s a living history of the revolution!  haha!  These strange and irrational &quot;programs&quot; can sometimes feel exasperating, because talking about something that doesn&#039;t make any sense racks the brain.  Seeing the chronology of the false promises and assertions adds comparative data.  I continue to be shocked and appalled of the complete abandonment of the true reasons for Scientology&#039;s existence,the wins of pcs/preots and well trained auditors.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These older articles are great to revisit Mike.  It&#8217;s a living history of the revolution!  haha!  These strange and irrational &#8220;programs&#8221; can sometimes feel exasperating, because talking about something that doesn&#8217;t make any sense racks the brain.  Seeing the chronology of the false promises and assertions adds comparative data.  I continue to be shocked and appalled of the complete abandonment of the true reasons for Scientology&#8217;s existence,the wins of pcs/preots and well trained auditors.</p>
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		By: Hallie Jane		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hallie Jane]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2014 06:57:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/sunday-redux-the-big-ideal-org-lie/#comment-66937&quot;&gt;statpush&lt;/a&gt;.

I&#039;m with LDW above, he&#039;s just having fun torturing people.  I heard the term psycho-sadist recently.  It&#039;s someone who enjoys inflicting pain on others.  Physical, emotional, financial,..... it sounds familiar. It really is just nuts.]]></description>
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<p>I&#8217;m with LDW above, he&#8217;s just having fun torturing people.  I heard the term psycho-sadist recently.  It&#8217;s someone who enjoys inflicting pain on others.  Physical, emotional, financial,&#8230;.. it sounds familiar. It really is just nuts.</p>
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		By: Cooper J Kessel		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cooper J Kessel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2014 04:03:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/sunday-redux-the-big-ideal-org-lie/#comment-66943&quot;&gt;McCarran&lt;/a&gt;.

It should be coming up soon, say at the new years event.  It turns out that the why all along was lack of having the correct definition for Dear Leader.

Watch for the new Gat II Tech Dictionary with a correct definition of Source: He who above all others knows the exact correct estimation of effort needed to SCOHB. Now and forever yours, the king of kings, Mr. lip balm himself.............Daaaavid Misssssssscavige!!!!!!!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/sunday-redux-the-big-ideal-org-lie/#comment-66943">McCarran</a>.</p>
<p>It should be coming up soon, say at the new years event.  It turns out that the why all along was lack of having the correct definition for Dear Leader.</p>
<p>Watch for the new Gat II Tech Dictionary with a correct definition of Source: He who above all others knows the exact correct estimation of effort needed to SCOHB. Now and forever yours, the king of kings, Mr. lip balm himself&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.Daaaavid Misssssssscavige!!!!!!!</p>
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		By: Deniece		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Deniece]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2014 03:43:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/sunday-redux-the-big-ideal-org-lie/#comment-66931&quot;&gt;LDW&lt;/a&gt;.

How do you know David has 50 million?
If he does have 50 million
it makes sense that he would donate that money to building the ideal org or at the very least a large portion of the 50 million.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/sunday-redux-the-big-ideal-org-lie/#comment-66931">LDW</a>.</p>
<p>How do you know David has 50 million?<br />
If he does have 50 million<br />
it makes sense that he would donate that money to building the ideal org or at the very least a large portion of the 50 million.</p>
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