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		By: George		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[George]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2020 09:41:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-benefit-of-goodwill-according-to-l-ron-hubbard/#comment-367619&quot;&gt;mwesten&lt;/a&gt;.

Mwestern thanks for your input. As you know more about this than me could you tell me more specifics? How long do they stay at the sites ? Is it literally only a hour or two and they leave ? Are their hand outs generous or is it just ok here have a water ? 

Ive seen videos of (assumed) non scientologists saying they make a difference - ie frim 1st responders, fire fighters etc etc.]]></description>
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<p>Mwestern thanks for your input. As you know more about this than me could you tell me more specifics? How long do they stay at the sites ? Is it literally only a hour or two and they leave ? Are their hand outs generous or is it just ok here have a water ? </p>
<p>Ive seen videos of (assumed) non scientologists saying they make a difference &#8211; ie frim 1st responders, fire fighters etc etc.</p>
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		By: John		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2020 19:46:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-benefit-of-goodwill-according-to-l-ron-hubbard/#comment-367599&quot;&gt;Mike Rinder&lt;/a&gt;.

Gday Mike, thanks for your reply. Ive become a massive fan of yours and Leah ever since developing a minor obsession on this topic a few months back. Im not sure why scientoliegy and cults in general interest me but this topic definetely draws me in. Ill use this opportunity to tell you a small story, being a Australian you may be interested but not suprised by the following. I did some work at one of the Australian orgs, was there for a while and a couple of times. I was suprised that even though i asked many questions to the person escorting me he didnt encourage or try and get me involved - i found that honorouble. The part which suprised me more was the part which proved to me how brainwashed this young worker was (who seemed like a great guy but just a tad naive). When i asked about Scientology numbers he claimed millions of Australian members. I said millions in plural means around 10% or more hinting that his claim is erroneuos - he repeated the claim with conviction. In hindsight i should have told him millions means that it would be Australia&#039;s biggest religion. I was suprised at how a man of sound mind who seemed to be rational could be so brainwashed to believe the magnitude of his religion was in the millions when in reality only around 20k of the whole nation declare Scientoliegy in the latest census, another sad example of mind control on a young life, a life which should be lived and not wasted on a lie.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-benefit-of-goodwill-according-to-l-ron-hubbard/#comment-367599">Mike Rinder</a>.</p>
<p>Gday Mike, thanks for your reply. Ive become a massive fan of yours and Leah ever since developing a minor obsession on this topic a few months back. Im not sure why scientoliegy and cults in general interest me but this topic definetely draws me in. Ill use this opportunity to tell you a small story, being a Australian you may be interested but not suprised by the following. I did some work at one of the Australian orgs, was there for a while and a couple of times. I was suprised that even though i asked many questions to the person escorting me he didnt encourage or try and get me involved &#8211; i found that honorouble. The part which suprised me more was the part which proved to me how brainwashed this young worker was (who seemed like a great guy but just a tad naive). When i asked about Scientology numbers he claimed millions of Australian members. I said millions in plural means around 10% or more hinting that his claim is erroneuos &#8211; he repeated the claim with conviction. In hindsight i should have told him millions means that it would be Australia&#8217;s biggest religion. I was suprised at how a man of sound mind who seemed to be rational could be so brainwashed to believe the magnitude of his religion was in the millions when in reality only around 20k of the whole nation declare Scientoliegy in the latest census, another sad example of mind control on a young life, a life which should be lived and not wasted on a lie.</p>
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		By: mwesten		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mwesten]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2020 18:08:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-benefit-of-goodwill-according-to-l-ron-hubbard/#comment-367558&quot;&gt;George&lt;/a&gt;.

Al Capone, Los Zetas, Pablo Escobar, the KKK...there is a long list of decidedly &quot;questionable&quot; individuals and groups who have sponsored &quot;good works.&quot; Both Hamas and Hezbollah engage in a huge amount of charitable activity and yet it is arguably nothing compared to the harm they have inflicted.

The CoS is a multi-billion dollar organisation. If you follow any Volunteer Ministers (those scientologists who go to disaster sites) on social media you would learn that any funds actually provided to them by the church are miniscule and perfunctory - only enough to allow for a quick photo op and a hasty departure. It is usually down to individual VMs to raise their own cash (with zero support from the church) should they hope to stay on and do something beyond the superficial. These individual parishioner fundraisers typically fail due to lack of interest. The church doesn&#039;t care as it already has the photos for its leader to showcase at the next glitzy event scientologists are pressured into attending.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-benefit-of-goodwill-according-to-l-ron-hubbard/#comment-367558">George</a>.</p>
<p>Al Capone, Los Zetas, Pablo Escobar, the KKK&#8230;there is a long list of decidedly &#8220;questionable&#8221; individuals and groups who have sponsored &#8220;good works.&#8221; Both Hamas and Hezbollah engage in a huge amount of charitable activity and yet it is arguably nothing compared to the harm they have inflicted.</p>
<p>The CoS is a multi-billion dollar organisation. If you follow any Volunteer Ministers (those scientologists who go to disaster sites) on social media you would learn that any funds actually provided to them by the church are miniscule and perfunctory &#8211; only enough to allow for a quick photo op and a hasty departure. It is usually down to individual VMs to raise their own cash (with zero support from the church) should they hope to stay on and do something beyond the superficial. These individual parishioner fundraisers typically fail due to lack of interest. The church doesn&#8217;t care as it already has the photos for its leader to showcase at the next glitzy event scientologists are pressured into attending.</p>
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		By: Mike Rinder		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Rinder]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2020 14:37:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-benefit-of-goodwill-according-to-l-ron-hubbard/#comment-367558&quot;&gt;George&lt;/a&gt;.

If they actually did anything other than set up photo opportunities. There is some small measure of assistance provided, but they collect literally hundreds of millions of dollars to do this sort of &quot;charitable work&quot; and spend tens of thousands actually helping.]]></description>
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<p>If they actually did anything other than set up photo opportunities. There is some small measure of assistance provided, but they collect literally hundreds of millions of dollars to do this sort of &#8220;charitable work&#8221; and spend tens of thousands actually helping.</p>
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		By: George		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[George]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2020 04:49:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[All these posts about Scientology not providing any good will, what about the ones that go to disaster sites and help the most vulnerable and ones needing assistance the more than all others ? Providing food, water, moving them out of harms way - thats all got to be a sign of good will is it not ?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All these posts about Scientology not providing any good will, what about the ones that go to disaster sites and help the most vulnerable and ones needing assistance the more than all others ? Providing food, water, moving them out of harms way &#8211; thats all got to be a sign of good will is it not ?</p>
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		By: Skyler		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Skyler]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2020 03:43:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-benefit-of-goodwill-according-to-l-ron-hubbard/#comment-364050&quot;&gt;LoosingMyReligion&lt;/a&gt;.

Grazie Signore LMR. Always a pleasure to hear from you.]]></description>
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<p>Grazie Signore LMR. Always a pleasure to hear from you.</p>
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		By: Golden Era Parachute		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Golden Era Parachute]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2020 20:34:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Wow. Just wow. This one is still about being selfish instead of selfless.

Abrahamic religions that I have started to study teach about giving Alms. Specifically, giving Alms to the poorest or most incapable of helping themselves. It is about personally going out and helping those in need. It is to be done anonymously if possible, simply to help. There is no expectation of reward. #selfless 

Even when Hubbard is at his most benign, it is about twisting the minds of others to enable him. Goodwill in Scientology is about building reputation. There is an expectation of reward (ergo, Goodwill). It is not to be done anonymously, otherwise you can&#039;t get the reward. #selfish]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. Just wow. This one is still about being selfish instead of selfless.</p>
<p>Abrahamic religions that I have started to study teach about giving Alms. Specifically, giving Alms to the poorest or most incapable of helping themselves. It is about personally going out and helping those in need. It is to be done anonymously if possible, simply to help. There is no expectation of reward. #selfless </p>
<p>Even when Hubbard is at his most benign, it is about twisting the minds of others to enable him. Goodwill in Scientology is about building reputation. There is an expectation of reward (ergo, Goodwill). It is not to be done anonymously, otherwise you can&#8217;t get the reward. #selfish</p>
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		By: LoosingMyReligion		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[LoosingMyReligion]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2020 11:12:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-benefit-of-goodwill-according-to-l-ron-hubbard/#comment-363741&quot;&gt;Skyler&lt;/a&gt;.

Dear Skyler please forgive me for answering late, 
I know what is their goodwill after 15 years in the SO trying to clear the planet with holes in the shoes and with that permanent feeling to be always walking on a razor edge. 
When I will go to Canada then I have some more instruction on how to speak. Lol. 
By the way I am a signore (Mr). I thought was clear. Laughing. 
Do well.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-benefit-of-goodwill-according-to-l-ron-hubbard/#comment-363741">Skyler</a>.</p>
<p>Dear Skyler please forgive me for answering late,<br />
I know what is their goodwill after 15 years in the SO trying to clear the planet with holes in the shoes and with that permanent feeling to be always walking on a razor edge.<br />
When I will go to Canada then I have some more instruction on how to speak. Lol.<br />
By the way I am a signore (Mr). I thought was clear. Laughing.<br />
Do well.</p>
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		By: Loosing my Religion		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Loosing my Religion]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2020 11:03:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-benefit-of-goodwill-according-to-l-ron-hubbard/#comment-363758&quot;&gt;George M. White&lt;/a&gt;.

George sorry for answering late. Nice story. Yes the concept of religion was build by hubbard merging few churches and keeping the cross to confuse Christians. Additionally in 1953/54 he WASN&#039;T owning the Dianetics copyright so he had to cope somehow and invented a religion.
Ananta.]]></description>
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<p>George sorry for answering late. Nice story. Yes the concept of religion was build by hubbard merging few churches and keeping the cross to confuse Christians. Additionally in 1953/54 he WASN&#8217;T owning the Dianetics copyright so he had to cope somehow and invented a religion.<br />
Ananta.</p>
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		By: John Doe		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Doe]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2020 00:50:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-benefit-of-goodwill-according-to-l-ron-hubbard/#comment-363796&quot;&gt;chuckbeattyx75to03&lt;/a&gt;.

Chuck, I don’t know of anyone who would want to spend that many hours of their life to catalogue Hubbard. 

Why??

There are lots of courses (used to be the Briefing Course) like the Basics, tape series, on and on, whose main thrust seems to be “it’s got to be great because it’s so fucking long!”

There’s no &lt;i&gt;there&lt;/i&gt; there. 

When I first left, I felt it important that somebody weed out the good stuff from the bullshit in Hubbard’s “Tech.”

After a while, I realized that Hubbard’s output was like a piece of Swiss cheese—and that there were far more holes than cheese.]]></description>
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<p>Chuck, I don’t know of anyone who would want to spend that many hours of their life to catalogue Hubbard. </p>
<p>Why??</p>
<p>There are lots of courses (used to be the Briefing Course) like the Basics, tape series, on and on, whose main thrust seems to be “it’s got to be great because it’s so fucking long!”</p>
<p>There’s no <i>there</i> there. </p>
<p>When I first left, I felt it important that somebody weed out the good stuff from the bullshit in Hubbard’s “Tech.”</p>
<p>After a while, I realized that Hubbard’s output was like a piece of Swiss cheese—and that there were far more holes than cheese.</p>
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