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		By: Formost		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Apr 2013 08:03:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-bs-beat-goes-on-portland-seriously/#comment-1432&quot;&gt;gretchen dewire&lt;/a&gt;.


	After I got taken through the FLAG reg grinder from all sides around the same time by the routing-off form, I never went back there again. It could be said that I had been squeezed out of the church by various endless reging tactics. After a while you have no place to go where there isn&#039;t a forceably pleading open hand. Then the environment became too financially dangerous and I moved on. I never came into SCN for this BS ... wrong purpose.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-bs-beat-goes-on-portland-seriously/#comment-1432">gretchen dewire</a>.</p>
<p>	After I got taken through the FLAG reg grinder from all sides around the same time by the routing-off form, I never went back there again. It could be said that I had been squeezed out of the church by various endless reging tactics. After a while you have no place to go where there isn&#039;t a forceably pleading open hand. Then the environment became too financially dangerous and I moved on. I never came into SCN for this BS &#8230; wrong purpose.</p>
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		By: Formost		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Apr 2013 07:53:05 +0000</pubDate>
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	I was in Portland in &#039;85 when Pomerantz put the squeeze on, having us call our parents and grandparents to borrow lots of money, and was the last time I ever contributed toward any similar crusade again. My answering machine became their best prospect thereafter. I was never on staff, so this is all I can contribute the topic.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>	I was in Portland in &#039;85 when Pomerantz put the squeeze on, having us call our parents and grandparents to borrow lots of money, and was the last time I ever contributed toward any similar crusade again. My answering machine became their best prospect thereafter. I was never on staff, so this is all I can contribute the topic.</p>
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		By: Joe Pendleton		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Apr 2013 22:22:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-bs-beat-goes-on-portland-seriously/#comment-1419&quot;&gt;Phil Bruemmer&lt;/a&gt;.

Phil ...... EXACTLY!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-bs-beat-goes-on-portland-seriously/#comment-1419">Phil Bruemmer</a>.</p>
<p>Phil &#8230;&#8230; EXACTLY!</p>
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		By: Jim Logan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Apr 2013 22:05:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-bs-beat-goes-on-portland-seriously/#comment-1416&quot;&gt;Jim Logan&lt;/a&gt;.

Dan,
Probably THE main reason I was declared by DM is that over the last months I was at the Base, Annie had come a long way to realizing what had occurred and how DM had usurped the Church.  In fact, she was pressing him to have her put on the post LRH personally assigned her, the Inspector General of RTC.  DM was slithering and sliding on this, with mis-direction about the &quot;IRS&quot; battle, Vicki Aznaran acting up and on and on.  Annie was progressively seeing through this.

DM&#039;s answer to ME, was to have me Sec Checked daily under the guise of sessions, which he then read and scoured for anything on Annie.  When I got declared, and Annie was intercepted in Boston, my &quot;handlers&quot; in RTC ordered me to write a KR on her and tell them everything she&#039;d ever said to me &quot;from the moment we first met&quot; or I&#039;d be doing A-E &quot;back to the stone age&quot;, &quot;50,000 times&quot; (those words are verbatim).

What I wrote to those &quot;handlers&quot; wasn&#039;t what they wanted.  And DM and his ilk had me do A-E for some two decades, never allowing it to finish, and preventing me from seeing Annie again.  Miscavige knew she&#039;d told me the facts.  He knows what he&#039;s onto is diametrically opposed to what LRH wanted, and communicated to Annie.

Annie&#039;s communication of LRH during those years, is as valid as any others.  She was there, every single day, and in comm with him more than any other being on this planet.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-bs-beat-goes-on-portland-seriously/#comment-1416">Jim Logan</a>.</p>
<p>Dan,<br />
Probably THE main reason I was declared by DM is that over the last months I was at the Base, Annie had come a long way to realizing what had occurred and how DM had usurped the Church.  In fact, she was pressing him to have her put on the post LRH personally assigned her, the Inspector General of RTC.  DM was slithering and sliding on this, with mis-direction about the &#8220;IRS&#8221; battle, Vicki Aznaran acting up and on and on.  Annie was progressively seeing through this.</p>
<p>DM&#8217;s answer to ME, was to have me Sec Checked daily under the guise of sessions, which he then read and scoured for anything on Annie.  When I got declared, and Annie was intercepted in Boston, my &#8220;handlers&#8221; in RTC ordered me to write a KR on her and tell them everything she&#8217;d ever said to me &#8220;from the moment we first met&#8221; or I&#8217;d be doing A-E &#8220;back to the stone age&#8221;, &#8220;50,000 times&#8221; (those words are verbatim).</p>
<p>What I wrote to those &#8220;handlers&#8221; wasn&#8217;t what they wanted.  And DM and his ilk had me do A-E for some two decades, never allowing it to finish, and preventing me from seeing Annie again.  Miscavige knew she&#8217;d told me the facts.  He knows what he&#8217;s onto is diametrically opposed to what LRH wanted, and communicated to Annie.</p>
<p>Annie&#8217;s communication of LRH during those years, is as valid as any others.  She was there, every single day, and in comm with him more than any other being on this planet.</p>
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		By: Jim Logan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Apr 2013 21:47:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-bs-beat-goes-on-portland-seriously/#comment-1416&quot;&gt;Jim Logan&lt;/a&gt;.

Mike,
My take from what Annie told me is that the &quot;final message&quot; was to be the Estate Planning, the Corporate Structure as laid out on savescientology.com.  That is, instead of that event that Pat Broeker and DM orchestrated, it should have been a full description of the entire set up, who were the Trustees, what are the checks and balances etc.

She was adamant that LRH intended checks and balances and clearly did NOT want any one person to assume dictatorial control.

I don&#039;t doubt Sarge&#039;s own perception and evaluation of what he experienced from his viewpoint.  Annie had a different perception, evaluation and viewpoint.  I spoke with her directly about this, as we discussed what was happening at the Int Base and with RTC and what LRH wanted.  I asked her about the man, what he was like at Creston and all of this was relayed leaving my own albeit second-hand impression, that LRH was &quot;compos mentis&quot;, that he was cogent, and he had and retained a good forward look.  Also, there were anecdotes of him driving his cars around with her &quot;on the lookout&quot; for CHP, them munching cheeseburgers, him working the crew on self-sufficiency with animal husbandry, food culture, and the many chats they enjoyed in his Bluebird jabbing about this, that and anything.

Again, Sarge had his experience.  I know he loved LRH.  So did Annie.  I&#039;ve spoken with several others who were there over those years.  My impression from them is not what is relayed in Wright&#039;s book.  Wright also got very wrong LRH&#039;s war record which Margaret lays out here http://scientologymyths.com/hubbardww2.htm.

As a musician I had access to tape recordings of LRH working in various studios.  I heard the man, from those years.  He was alive, in comm, and even cracking wise, while also imparting real KRC on music, recording and whatever else he was involved in.

My conclusion of the being at the end of his life, is that he maintained the states he had acheived and are available with the technologies of Scientology.  Without ANY question, and that&#039;s taking in not just Sarge&#039;s or Annie&#039;s viewpoints, but others, who were there, and who confirmed what I personally saw reading, and studying fully what he produced from that time period.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-bs-beat-goes-on-portland-seriously/#comment-1416">Jim Logan</a>.</p>
<p>Mike,<br />
My take from what Annie told me is that the &#8220;final message&#8221; was to be the Estate Planning, the Corporate Structure as laid out on savescientology.com.  That is, instead of that event that Pat Broeker and DM orchestrated, it should have been a full description of the entire set up, who were the Trustees, what are the checks and balances etc.</p>
<p>She was adamant that LRH intended checks and balances and clearly did NOT want any one person to assume dictatorial control.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t doubt Sarge&#8217;s own perception and evaluation of what he experienced from his viewpoint.  Annie had a different perception, evaluation and viewpoint.  I spoke with her directly about this, as we discussed what was happening at the Int Base and with RTC and what LRH wanted.  I asked her about the man, what he was like at Creston and all of this was relayed leaving my own albeit second-hand impression, that LRH was &#8220;compos mentis&#8221;, that he was cogent, and he had and retained a good forward look.  Also, there were anecdotes of him driving his cars around with her &#8220;on the lookout&#8221; for CHP, them munching cheeseburgers, him working the crew on self-sufficiency with animal husbandry, food culture, and the many chats they enjoyed in his Bluebird jabbing about this, that and anything.</p>
<p>Again, Sarge had his experience.  I know he loved LRH.  So did Annie.  I&#8217;ve spoken with several others who were there over those years.  My impression from them is not what is relayed in Wright&#8217;s book.  Wright also got very wrong LRH&#8217;s war record which Margaret lays out here <a href="http://scientologymyths.com/hubbardww2.htm" rel="nofollow ugc">http://scientologymyths.com/hubbardww2.htm</a>.</p>
<p>As a musician I had access to tape recordings of LRH working in various studios.  I heard the man, from those years.  He was alive, in comm, and even cracking wise, while also imparting real KRC on music, recording and whatever else he was involved in.</p>
<p>My conclusion of the being at the end of his life, is that he maintained the states he had acheived and are available with the technologies of Scientology.  Without ANY question, and that&#8217;s taking in not just Sarge&#8217;s or Annie&#8217;s viewpoints, but others, who were there, and who confirmed what I personally saw reading, and studying fully what he produced from that time period.</p>
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		By: The Oracle		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Apr 2013 21:18:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-bs-beat-goes-on-portland-seriously/#comment-1405&quot;&gt;Lora&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;God, the uniforms. Leave it to COB to make the staff of all Ideal Orgs look like servers at The Olive Garden.&quot;

Laughter!]]></description>
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<p>&#8220;God, the uniforms. Leave it to COB to make the staff of all Ideal Orgs look like servers at The Olive Garden.&#8221;</p>
<p>Laughter!</p>
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		By: The Oracle		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Apr 2013 21:16:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-bs-beat-goes-on-portland-seriously/#comment-1432&quot;&gt;gretchen dewire&lt;/a&gt;.

Flag!  The friendliest place in the world?  The public were called &quot;pool pigs&quot;  the first time I went as public.
Now as I understand it, the Sea Org staff are not to fraternize with &quot;public&quot;.  Although  they keep the lights on through &quot;donations&quot;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-bs-beat-goes-on-portland-seriously/#comment-1432">gretchen dewire</a>.</p>
<p>Flag!  The friendliest place in the world?  The public were called &#8220;pool pigs&#8221;  the first time I went as public.<br />
Now as I understand it, the Sea Org staff are not to fraternize with &#8220;public&#8221;.  Although  they keep the lights on through &#8220;donations&#8221;.</p>
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		By: The Oracle		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Apr 2013 21:08:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-bs-beat-goes-on-portland-seriously/#comment-1426&quot;&gt;Susan&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;Boy, I sure would like to know the actual truth...&quot;

I personally doubt that Sarge was lying.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-bs-beat-goes-on-portland-seriously/#comment-1426">Susan</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;Boy, I sure would like to know the actual truth&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>I personally doubt that Sarge was lying.</p>
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		By: gretchen dewire		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Apr 2013 20:53:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Around 1990 I went to flag spending for me a small fortune because my org wasnt doing what I needed. I was there for almost 2 weeks and got no auditing. It was a week befor my folder even came back.and I am a patron of the ias. I was certainly reged for more money though. Wasnt flag supposed to be a rocket ride and the friendliest place on the planet. I hope your friend wises up soon.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Around 1990 I went to flag spending for me a small fortune because my org wasnt doing what I needed. I was there for almost 2 weeks and got no auditing. It was a week befor my folder even came back.and I am a patron of the ias. I was certainly reged for more money though. Wasnt flag supposed to be a rocket ride and the friendliest place on the planet. I hope your friend wises up soon.</p>
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		By: Mike Rinder		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Apr 2013 20:29:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-bs-beat-goes-on-portland-seriously/#comment-1430&quot;&gt;Dan Koon&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks Dan. I agree with you, but that isnt what Jim said. He was responding to my comment about Sarge saying Annie told him something different. I was simply giving my perspective on how you can judge apparently conflicting accounts of things. Would love to the see the painting. I have a pretty vivid recollection of how he looked at La Quinta in 79... Did it change from 77?]]></description>
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<p>Thanks Dan. I agree with you, but that isnt what Jim said. He was responding to my comment about Sarge saying Annie told him something different. I was simply giving my perspective on how you can judge apparently conflicting accounts of things. Would love to the see the painting. I have a pretty vivid recollection of how he looked at La Quinta in 79&#8230; Did it change from 77?</p>
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