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		By: Aquamarines		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-clearwater-pr-offensive/#comment-309204</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Nov 2019 00:18:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-clearwater-pr-offensive/#comment-308876&quot;&gt;Altruistic Nonsense&lt;/a&gt;.

True, they&#039;ve got this altruism, this concept of sacrificing everything this lifetime for the Greatest Good, etc.,  but strangely, at the same time,  they are extremely selfish as well.

 Look how they do each other in!  

Look how they justify any outpoint for a Thursday 2PM stat!

 No thoughts for how someone may really want to help but really can&#039;t afford to!  Screw him or her and the problem this donation creates - I want my stat!  

 And how they coolly break the hearts of those who love them via Disconnection.  No thoughts or compassion for parents, siblings, children. Screw them!   My bread is buttered with Scientology!  And I&#039;ll get in trouble!

Altruistic?

Yeah, sure, that&#039;s their EXCUSE for their creepy, heartless behavior.

 I&#039;m beginning to view these people as enormously selfish and self centered - yes, even the &quot;nice&quot; ones, the ones we&#039;re supposed to feel sorry for because they&#039;re such &quot;victims&quot; - in fact, ESPECIALLY the yellow-livered, nicey-nice types! They&#039;ll lie to you and rip you off and break your heart just as surely as the other, more obnoxious still ins will and it will be MORE painful because, of course, they are so &quot;NICE&quot;.
Yeah, right!

The only way I&#039;ll ever change my mind about the Still Ins is if they have realizations and  LEAVE.  If they can do that, I&#039;d start trusting them.  

Its not too high a bar.  The information is all out there.  WE had our realizations and left the cult.  Why can&#039;t they? 

In the meantime, they&#039;re where they belong.  Screwing others and being themselves screwed.  Living in fear of anyone outside the cult AND living in fear of EACH OTHER in the cult.  That&#039;s where they BELONG until one day they decide that they don&#039;t, and leave.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-clearwater-pr-offensive/#comment-308876">Altruistic Nonsense</a>.</p>
<p>True, they&#8217;ve got this altruism, this concept of sacrificing everything this lifetime for the Greatest Good, etc.,  but strangely, at the same time,  they are extremely selfish as well.</p>
<p> Look how they do each other in!  </p>
<p>Look how they justify any outpoint for a Thursday 2PM stat!</p>
<p> No thoughts for how someone may really want to help but really can&#8217;t afford to!  Screw him or her and the problem this donation creates &#8211; I want my stat!  </p>
<p> And how they coolly break the hearts of those who love them via Disconnection.  No thoughts or compassion for parents, siblings, children. Screw them!   My bread is buttered with Scientology!  And I&#8217;ll get in trouble!</p>
<p>Altruistic?</p>
<p>Yeah, sure, that&#8217;s their EXCUSE for their creepy, heartless behavior.</p>
<p> I&#8217;m beginning to view these people as enormously selfish and self centered &#8211; yes, even the &#8220;nice&#8221; ones, the ones we&#8217;re supposed to feel sorry for because they&#8217;re such &#8220;victims&#8221; &#8211; in fact, ESPECIALLY the yellow-livered, nicey-nice types! They&#8217;ll lie to you and rip you off and break your heart just as surely as the other, more obnoxious still ins will and it will be MORE painful because, of course, they are so &#8220;NICE&#8221;.<br />
Yeah, right!</p>
<p>The only way I&#8217;ll ever change my mind about the Still Ins is if they have realizations and  LEAVE.  If they can do that, I&#8217;d start trusting them.  </p>
<p>Its not too high a bar.  The information is all out there.  WE had our realizations and left the cult.  Why can&#8217;t they? </p>
<p>In the meantime, they&#8217;re where they belong.  Screwing others and being themselves screwed.  Living in fear of anyone outside the cult AND living in fear of EACH OTHER in the cult.  That&#8217;s where they BELONG until one day they decide that they don&#8217;t, and leave.</p>
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		By: Aquamarine		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Nov 2019 23:53:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-clearwater-pr-offensive/#comment-308903&quot;&gt;Skyler&lt;/a&gt;.

:) Skyler.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-clearwater-pr-offensive/#comment-308903">Skyler</a>.</p>
<p>🙂 Skyler.</p>
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		By: Skyler		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Nov 2019 18:12:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-clearwater-pr-offensive/#comment-309093&quot;&gt;Mark&lt;/a&gt;.

Dang! I wrote a post a few minutes ago in which I said, &quot;There is no escape until you escape&quot;.

Ooops!  I meant to write, &quot;There is no escaping their clutches until you either blow or one of you dies.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-clearwater-pr-offensive/#comment-309093">Mark</a>.</p>
<p>Dang! I wrote a post a few minutes ago in which I said, &#8220;There is no escape until you escape&#8221;.</p>
<p>Ooops!  I meant to write, &#8220;There is no escaping their clutches until you either blow or one of you dies.&#8221;</p>
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		By: Skyler		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Nov 2019 18:07:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-clearwater-pr-offensive/#comment-309093&quot;&gt;Mark&lt;/a&gt;.

I have not finished reading yet but paused to tell you that I truly did enjoy your insight as to the &quot;Bridge&quot; in Scamatology. Namely that unlike real bridges, people do not go &quot;across&quot; that bridge but instead they just go &quot;up&quot; that bridge.

The insight there is that This Scam is never finished with you. Once they know your name and phone number, they will never let go of you until your dying day (or preferrably until their dying day). 

The cost of believing in that stupid bridge just keeps going up and up and up.
The amount of reading you are expected to do and the cost of the books just keeps going up and up and up.

The amount of money and the number of ways you are expected to give them that money just keeps going up and up and up.

Your personal depression and psychotic fear just keeps going up and up and up.

There is simply no escape until you escape or you die or they die. My choice would be for them to die - hopefully after some kind of &quot;trial&quot; (not necessarily the kind of trial launched by some kind of legal court - after all ... Mike and Leah put these bastards through a tremendous &quot;trial by TV&quot; that was likely more strenuous than most legal kinds of trials.

The message is that once they have you, Scamology never lets you go until one of you dies or you run out of money. 

Actually, they don&#039;t care if you run out of money. When you do, they just go through your credit. But when you can no longer get any more credit with which you give them money, then they no longer care about you.

Hmmm .... I wonder if The Aftermath Foundation might be interested in setting up some kind of business that would give victims credit and lead them into bankruptcy so their credit rating is ruined so that The Scam will let them go. Then, they could return all the money - except for a very tiny percentage to compensate for their service - so their credit rating would be restored and they would be free from The Scam.  ....... I wonder.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-clearwater-pr-offensive/#comment-309093">Mark</a>.</p>
<p>I have not finished reading yet but paused to tell you that I truly did enjoy your insight as to the &#8220;Bridge&#8221; in Scamatology. Namely that unlike real bridges, people do not go &#8220;across&#8221; that bridge but instead they just go &#8220;up&#8221; that bridge.</p>
<p>The insight there is that This Scam is never finished with you. Once they know your name and phone number, they will never let go of you until your dying day (or preferrably until their dying day). </p>
<p>The cost of believing in that stupid bridge just keeps going up and up and up.<br />
The amount of reading you are expected to do and the cost of the books just keeps going up and up and up.</p>
<p>The amount of money and the number of ways you are expected to give them that money just keeps going up and up and up.</p>
<p>Your personal depression and psychotic fear just keeps going up and up and up.</p>
<p>There is simply no escape until you escape or you die or they die. My choice would be for them to die &#8211; hopefully after some kind of &#8220;trial&#8221; (not necessarily the kind of trial launched by some kind of legal court &#8211; after all &#8230; Mike and Leah put these bastards through a tremendous &#8220;trial by TV&#8221; that was likely more strenuous than most legal kinds of trials.</p>
<p>The message is that once they have you, Scamology never lets you go until one of you dies or you run out of money. </p>
<p>Actually, they don&#8217;t care if you run out of money. When you do, they just go through your credit. But when you can no longer get any more credit with which you give them money, then they no longer care about you.</p>
<p>Hmmm &#8230;. I wonder if The Aftermath Foundation might be interested in setting up some kind of business that would give victims credit and lead them into bankruptcy so their credit rating is ruined so that The Scam will let them go. Then, they could return all the money &#8211; except for a very tiny percentage to compensate for their service &#8211; so their credit rating would be restored and they would be free from The Scam.  &#8230;&#8230;. I wonder.</p>
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		By: Mark		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Nov 2019 16:05:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-clearwater-pr-offensive/#comment-308688&quot;&gt;pluvo&lt;/a&gt;.

Pluvo,
You know that they are predictable, robotic followers of El Rum Blowhard&#039;s sociopathic policies...
Fakers and Liars. Always. Per Policy.
Hip, hip, hooray!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-clearwater-pr-offensive/#comment-308688">pluvo</a>.</p>
<p>Pluvo,<br />
You know that they are predictable, robotic followers of El Rum Blowhard&#8217;s sociopathic policies&#8230;<br />
Fakers and Liars. Always. Per Policy.<br />
Hip, hip, hooray!</p>
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		By: Mark		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Nov 2019 16:02:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-clearwater-pr-offensive/#comment-308691&quot;&gt;Skyler&lt;/a&gt;.

Skyler,
Good insights there!  I wrote a little bit about that fear:
https://markfretless.blogspot.com/2019/09/once-upon-time.html
If you( or anyone else) decide to read it, let me know what you think of it, please...
Cheers!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-clearwater-pr-offensive/#comment-308691">Skyler</a>.</p>
<p>Skyler,<br />
Good insights there!  I wrote a little bit about that fear:<br />
<a href="https://markfretless.blogspot.com/2019/09/once-upon-time.html" rel="nofollow ugc">https://markfretless.blogspot.com/2019/09/once-upon-time.html</a><br />
If you( or anyone else) decide to read it, let me know what you think of it, please&#8230;<br />
Cheers!</p>
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		By: Komodo Dragon		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Komodo Dragon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Nov 2019 23:57:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-clearwater-pr-offensive/#comment-308877&quot;&gt;Listener to honest stories&lt;/a&gt;.

Tory tells her whole story on her You-Tube channel &quot;Tory Magoo 44&quot; check it out.  She has very good content and is a great speaker.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-clearwater-pr-offensive/#comment-308877">Listener to honest stories</a>.</p>
<p>Tory tells her whole story on her You-Tube channel &#8220;Tory Magoo 44&#8221; check it out.  She has very good content and is a great speaker.</p>
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		By: Annie Oakley		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Nov 2019 22:36:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-clearwater-pr-offensive/#comment-308752&quot;&gt;Mary Kahn&lt;/a&gt;.

I know...it&#039;s just sad. To be so controlled you don&#039;t even want to look, or can&#039;t bring yourself to... I remember when I first looked, after first stumbling upon an article in the news. It was hard. But then I felt a sense of freedom. I read some more stuff and doubts I&#039;d always had resurfaced and things began to make sense and then I had to talk to my husband who I knew had similar but unvoiced feelings. Then I was thankful I&#039;d never gotten my children on course. Honestly I feared the Sea Org regs too much.  I read here every day Mary and every time I see your name I think about your son and hope he somehow has a realization and comes back to you.  (((Hug)))]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-clearwater-pr-offensive/#comment-308752">Mary Kahn</a>.</p>
<p>I know&#8230;it&#8217;s just sad. To be so controlled you don&#8217;t even want to look, or can&#8217;t bring yourself to&#8230; I remember when I first looked, after first stumbling upon an article in the news. It was hard. But then I felt a sense of freedom. I read some more stuff and doubts I&#8217;d always had resurfaced and things began to make sense and then I had to talk to my husband who I knew had similar but unvoiced feelings. Then I was thankful I&#8217;d never gotten my children on course. Honestly I feared the Sea Org regs too much.  I read here every day Mary and every time I see your name I think about your son and hope he somehow has a realization and comes back to you.  (((Hug)))</p>
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		By: Smoker		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Nov 2019 22:33:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Million dollar idea up for grabs: The Aftermath Bus Tours!

A bus tour around downtown Clearwater of the abuses of Scientology. Tourists could get lunch or dinner downtown before or after. Bring in the dollars!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Million dollar idea up for grabs: The Aftermath Bus Tours!</p>
<p>A bus tour around downtown Clearwater of the abuses of Scientology. Tourists could get lunch or dinner downtown before or after. Bring in the dollars!</p>
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		By: Cece		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Nov 2019 21:26:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-clearwater-pr-offensive/#comment-308755&quot;&gt;Lliira&lt;/a&gt;.

Lliira - I looked moral injury up.  Yes of course, us xscientologist or any cult followers, would have trauma and a complex PTSD from such.
And yes, it didn&#039;t effect LRH because him controlling our thinking was not against his morals of course.
And something I want to point out about some x scientologist - many do not remember these things happened.  This may be a current ok way to at least operate and get a job to survive but at some point, as memory returns, the PTSD/ThursdayOCD/scentedproducts/whiteglove/inspections and other inlaid fears and biases need to be handled.
Just understanding some of it is helpful.  Thank you for your post.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-clearwater-pr-offensive/#comment-308755">Lliira</a>.</p>
<p>Lliira &#8211; I looked moral injury up.  Yes of course, us xscientologist or any cult followers, would have trauma and a complex PTSD from such.<br />
And yes, it didn&#8217;t effect LRH because him controlling our thinking was not against his morals of course.<br />
And something I want to point out about some x scientologist &#8211; many do not remember these things happened.  This may be a current ok way to at least operate and get a job to survive but at some point, as memory returns, the PTSD/ThursdayOCD/scentedproducts/whiteglove/inspections and other inlaid fears and biases need to be handled.<br />
Just understanding some of it is helpful.  Thank you for your post.</p>
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