Susan is a long term div 6 member. she has been infinitely loyal to the Davis, and now Riverpark mission. She has been there through the glorious days of Davis and sac missions. they used to deliver 300 to 500 hours of auditing each. now Tony has replaced her in div 6 and she has been their lone auditor. Their other tech people taken for Wichita, Memphis or drifted off..

It is so very sad seeing people waste decades of their lives doing what they think is the best thing they can do and have decades of lies deceit and destructive changes occur in the tech.

Susan used to be someone who was kind understanding and she now keeps trying to “re-kindle the failed purposes” hoping. No actually believing that her religion will somehow some way actually clear the planet.

alas it is all smoke and mirrors and she is a dinosaur in a very old movie. Smi and the Msn holder just keep limping along keeping her hoping and praying that it will get better.

It is very sad story.

mg

RK – one also however should not forget that this woman has been, by agreeing to her re-training and staying on staff etc. and sitting quietly by while her PCs are being ripped for IAS and Idle Org donations, actually or tacitly agreeing with the magnificent management of COB or whatever ridiculous phrases they use for this. And I think your ears would burn as would most people’s on here if you knew what staff were saying about you when you had left the fold so to speak.Now of course one realizes that 2 wrongs do not make a right but I am not going to lose any sleep about people on here venting their Scientology spleen and I don’t think you should, in my opinion. In my post above I applauded her for making it go right to get through her training and left it at that, more or less, but there is also a dark side to this tacit or overt support of COB – and thus treason to LRH and the subject. Just look at what “Freedom” magazine publishes let alone all the stuff that Mosey has had to put up with. And we all know what COB says about staff and public, especially those on “Hollywood Boulevard”. But your comments and sentiment here are somewhat correct and I applaud you for your temperance. We should try and do what you suggest for these CICSs.

I think this “learned Supervisor valence” is about the worst example I can think of of “the blind leading the blind”, ironically. If DM had said he had meant this with his statement then I would have supported it (but of course he probably likes their aggressive attitude and thinks it is correct). It seems that Sups in training go over to Flag, watch the Sups there roaming around snarling at ITO and maybe public students and think “this is the way it is done”. And so they come back to their local Orgs and do the same, and empty their Academy within weeks, if not days. They think “tough” means sticking their faces into the student’s face aggressively and almost or sometimes shouting at them. But I think 50% of the why for empty academies is also the crush regging – people are now fed up with it all, or penniless.

What a bunch of jerks (I initially used a stronger word here, but I worried about approval from the moderator.)

The article is focused on the promised speed of delivery and the length of time it actually took. Try to not be such assholes. (OK, couldn’t help myself.)

🙂 +1

Foolproof — in regards to Mr. Humphries’ comment, “I am finally proud of my Tech,” you need to view this in the right context. It’s like someone saying, “I’ve just married wife number five, and I can’t tell you how happy I am and how I just discovered what married life is supposed to be all about.”

One can rightly assume that this guy had absolutely no clue what a wife or husband was all about or what his role was supposed to be. I believe the correct phrase is — Clueless.

Mr. Humphries obviously didn’t feel good about his tech previously because he never got past the words. Never understood the concepts. Never audited or trained anyone and never put the tech on the line in actual points of application.

It’s not GAG II that suddenly and miraculously opened his eyes and his heart to the Tech. It was the preceding rush of blood from his head down to his wallet as he had to pay exorbitantly for the new meter and course – and the resultant return of that blood to his brain, that caused the cognition that he finally is seeing the words on his page. Sudden losses have been known to bring people into Present Time. The sudden loss of a loved one, of a beloved pet, of one’s entire Life’s savings…

Yep, Mr. Humphries is finally in present time. Now, that is a win. Unfortunately, dropping a bucket of ice down the front of his shorts would have accomplished the same result without having to spend decades working at it — but let’s not denigrate his win.

Here – here!!!!!

Odd

If Chico can have a profitable mission, Davie should study what they are doing to bring the balance of Scientology to life.

At least she got through, and can deliver again, and who knows who else is even qualified and has done the GAT II to even be “qualified”, likely she’s the first at her mission, thus all the backlogged and lost customers stuck on their “Basics” courses, it’s a whole new bunch of problems getting those client/parishioners even back going as pcs again!

The loss of public during both this multi years “Bascis” derailing of the public, and now this GAT II which has caused omitted auditors to even deliver, means the whole tenor of the orgs and missions has been pitiful, they have reverted to being Div 6 course rooms, essentially.

Now, doing the rest of the normal delivery, auditing, gradechart progress, is a whole NEW new trend they have to get going.

What “management” would do, is know they’d need some “executives” trained up, now that they have these GAT II ‘tech coin” staffs (if they get through their training) to utilize to sell some auditing to their public again!

This all isn’t new, this is the majority of Scientology history anyways, in all the “small and failing orgs” that have been the bulk of the orgs, or the bulk of the internal history of almost all orgs which have had their “small and failing era” internally in almost all orgs, at various times.

When I was watching the orgs’ stats, back in the late 1970s, through to about 1988, those ten years I was always in “middle managment” (Flag Bu Exec College 1977, Int Training Org both from 1977 to 1983, then 1984 to 1988 in Senior HCO Int/FB) when anyone in those orgs had to weekly check the OIC (some of us were dumb enough to do as told, I was always guilty of that), OIC is the Org Information Center a part of the Data Bu/Branch with all the orgs stats, cont stats, int stats, — an FB staff member’s job was LOOK at the stats, know the scene in the orgs.

We also had to do our “OFO” )Org Flag Officer, filer of data coming in, letter answering and acknowledging reports from staff, in our assigned “OFO org”, mine was sometimes small and failing tiny orgs, several, since one staff at Flag got assigned up to 4 small and failing orgs to monitor their incoming data and answer letters to staff sending in reports, and prodding staff to complete targets on their “org programs” (LRH’s detailed Flag Bu managing of orgs is quite extensive, some of us “took it seriously”); all this means is some of us really learned how the orgs were to be micromanaged by the bureaucracy that LRH laid out in the hundreds/thousands of policies and Flag Orders, other issue types, like Flag Bu Data Letter (policy for managers at the Flag which is now the HGB middle management level).

OFOs and even FB staff (middle managment staff) were to look at the stats, and keep abreast of the orgs.

Thus, my first hand experience, was the stats, the personnel of the orgs, in those years, 1977 to 1988 specifically, I enjoyed that sort of oddball Sea Org drone manager helper job, which is all that the Org Flag Officers are, just helper filers, and extra help to the Programs Chiefs.

That whole era of somewhat “managed” org handling, I am so curious what all became of all of it.

I wanted more ex HGB (middle managers from the today’s Flag Bu) to please detail all their current trends.

Last I heard was from a Programs Chief who blew in or around 2008 or 2009.

The year by year internal viewpoint from Flag Bu middle management staff tells pretty good overview of this one thing that public just don’t really get.

That all through the history of the orgs (I can attest from 1977 till 1988) the overwhelming majority of orgs were “small and failing” size.

How that relates to today, is this pitiful progress, to me today seems “orderly”, but just as pitiful as it has honestly been all through those years I as a Sea Org Flag Bu level drone staffer who mindfully did my OFO duty (and liked it, liked looking at the stats, liked being a helper to the Programs Chiefs, liked later being a helper theoretically re policy when I was on the routing forms project); that IS the scene.

The small and failing orgs are at best Div 6 course rooms, feeders to the higher orgs, backlines settings for the more got bucks public who have the money to actually afford going up the Bridge.

More went up, possibly, percentage wise, but this whole setup has always been a LOT more people on Div 6 type courses, fewer on the mainline Levels training or Grades auditing, and the most got-bucks people were shuffled off to LA or Flag, where they did their OT levels and the most got bucks moved up to doing the Ls at Flag, and on up.

There’s no question, in my view, even as pitiful as it seems today, and I’m an atheist, I don’t promote Scientology services, I do feel obliged to get honest comparisons to what I firsthand have witnessed, that as bad as this wholesale wrecking and turning everything into basically a big Div 6 course activity (with the exception of still the money funneling of got bucks client/parishioners to the AOs and Flag, and IAS reaching way DOWN into the conts to pull out the money, and then the local got bucks people gouged for the building money donations); overall it’s all still “small and failing” mostly, at the bottom.

Just in nicer quarters, uniforms today in the Ideal Orgs, the whole McDonalds’ upstat look.

I’m surprised that the old 1970s Sea Org trend that extended downwards, meaning allowing Class 4/5 staff to live way more communally and act like their own local “Sea Org” lifestyles, communal berthing/meals and rewards as a group, isn’t more the case today.

One of the big disagreements that the whole Sea Org setup is, is that it really is a communal life, and hasn’t been properly set up as a rewarding communal life, and then adopting a communal staff life reward system for the staffs of Class 4/5 orgs (the AOs and ASHO and Flag and on up, ought to be way more rewarded communally than it has been).

I’ve always thought, as nutty and so forth as so much of Scientology is, that this whole setup could be tweaked pretty easily to “fix” it.

It’s got the staffs pretty well temporarily hooked, into the same several years-long commitments. It’s always taken a few years of staff to staff injustices and management bashing from on high to make staffs wish to quit and then finally quit.

So much is the same, as “bad” as it looks, is all, and to really “change” it, like the Exec Strata (think tank) members ought to do some reform, because I personally took what LRH said seriously about the top “think tank’s” role, I do think some major reforms still are possible.

With Miscavige there to personally block all reform, yes, things will continue to be more pitiful, nicer looking, but dismally and unlike what LRH ordered in so many of the well meaning, although so much of what LRH ordered ended in keystone cops cross ordering constantly problem causing conflicts also, so if it is not one thing, then even following LRH, and let’s say Miscavige goes, if there were some saner Exec Strata people who could think through all the mess, they could do some reform.

But also, because of the way LRH has written and spoken which the members and staffs do read, their hope is constantly rekindled as long as they read and absorb LRH’s hopes as their own, and they trudge on through the bad Miscavige era of omitted detailed management options that LRH wrote in full in all he wrote for the FB.

There are so many levels to this lumbering bureaucracy that LRH created that houses the official Scientology movement, that carries on, despite the bad leadership, omitted and focused main bad leadership of Miscavige.

Senior HCO Int used to keep up the stats of the staffs quitting, of course it’s one of the stats, weekly.

I’d love to see the Senior HCO Int stats for personnel hiring and quitting weekly, org by org. And see the 25 year trends.

In related news, Sue Rodriguez, who used to be a hot blonde babe, now looks like alcoholic Eddie Van Halen. I can’t imagine why. GAT II looks like it sucked the last bit of life out of her.