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		By: Shpoog		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-great-ideal-orgs-scam/#comment-14274</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Shpoog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Aug 2013 02:53:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Mike, I love you since you came to &#039;the light side of the force&#039;.  Congrats on your hot post-scientology girlfriend.  Rock on, brother.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike, I love you since you came to &#8216;the light side of the force&#8217;.  Congrats on your hot post-scientology girlfriend.  Rock on, brother.</p>
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		By: Valerie		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-great-ideal-orgs-scam/#comment-14102</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Valerie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Aug 2013 00:47:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-great-ideal-orgs-scam/#comment-13975&quot;&gt;Jewel&lt;/a&gt;.

Yep they are definitely click farming.  As of today, 4.2% of their traffic comes from India, 0% for Tony or Mike.  Well at least he has a stat that is going up - lies told on the Internet.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-great-ideal-orgs-scam/#comment-13975">Jewel</a>.</p>
<p>Yep they are definitely click farming.  As of today, 4.2% of their traffic comes from India, 0% for Tony or Mike.  Well at least he has a stat that is going up &#8211; lies told on the Internet.</p>
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		By: Jewel		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jewel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Aug 2013 04:55:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-great-ideal-orgs-scam/#comment-13940&quot;&gt;Valerie&lt;/a&gt;.

Valerie, 
thanks for the enlightenment. I read the article.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-great-ideal-orgs-scam/#comment-13940">Valerie</a>.</p>
<p>Valerie,<br />
thanks for the enlightenment. I read the article.</p>
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		By: Valerie		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-great-ideal-orgs-scam/#comment-13940</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Valerie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Aug 2013 00:08:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-great-ideal-orgs-scam/#comment-13820&quot;&gt;Jewel&lt;/a&gt;.

Unfortunately, yes,  Here is a link to a news article from earlier this month about how it&#039;s done.  http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/aug/02/click-farms-appearance-online-popularity

When Leah left and Kirstie started attacking her, her Twitter following dropped dramatically.  People started commenting on it.  The comments, much like Heber, Shelly, etc. we&#039;re disappeared, but overnight, Kirstie &quot;gained&quot; over 200,000 followers on Twitter. 

They are paid to follow her and post generic comments like replies to her when she says &quot;goodnight.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-great-ideal-orgs-scam/#comment-13820">Jewel</a>.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, yes,  Here is a link to a news article from earlier this month about how it&#8217;s done.  <a href="http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/aug/02/click-farms-appearance-online-popularity" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/aug/02/click-farms-appearance-online-popularity</a></p>
<p>When Leah left and Kirstie started attacking her, her Twitter following dropped dramatically.  People started commenting on it.  The comments, much like Heber, Shelly, etc. we&#8217;re disappeared, but overnight, Kirstie &#8220;gained&#8221; over 200,000 followers on Twitter. </p>
<p>They are paid to follow her and post generic comments like replies to her when she says &#8220;goodnight.&#8221;</p>
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		By: Jewel		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-great-ideal-orgs-scam/#comment-13822</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jewel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Aug 2013 07:21:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-great-ideal-orgs-scam/#comment-13727&quot;&gt;Joe Pendleton&lt;/a&gt;.

Joe, 
Yes, I like the ads too. They say a lot.
 RE: Ralph Crisione , I remember that he was very very gay back in the day. I know that I was curious about how that could be since all the Scientology information pointed to being gay as an engramic compulsion. I didn&#039;t care if he was or wasn&#039;t on one level, but according to the &#039;tech&#039; he was a walking contradiction as he was done with 7.  There were others as well that I knew who were 7&#039;s. At the time I just thought, &#039;well, that is how he desires to be&#039; as I considered it was purely his choice. Auditor David Lenard who was done with 7 was also gay and kept it hidden which is why  he married Le Claire. They had a baby, then they got divorced. He moved away, but continued to go out with guys. I know the church policy, at least in practice, was to tell gay folk to not participate while getting auditing, but I have never seen an LRH policy or HCOB on it directly. Do you know of one? 
 My nephew, who is gay, was told that he was engaging in &#039;deviant behavior&#039; and he couldn&#039;t participate in the 2d while doing the purify. He was shown the tone scale and was told It was in the 1.1 band. What an eval! What a joke! Telling people not to do what is natural is ridiculous, especially on the purif! He could have banged his way all the way through the purif and it wouldn&#039;t have made ANY  difference in the outcome of his purif. This really irritated me. The church shouldn&#039;t dictate what is or isn&#039;t an overt. If a person is gay and this is their 2d, then so be it. It won&#039;t inhibit or otherwise interfere with their auditing because it is how they normally operate.  I would like to know at what point the church decided to make it &#039;illegal&#039; to have gay sex. How could anyone get audited if they had to comply with that? If they violated it, then it would be a withhold and they would get further sec checked and would have to go to ethics for being &#039;out ethics&#039; as a pc and then get nowhere. I don&#039;t know how one aberration is better or worse than another unless someone is a pedifile or a serial killer, there are plenty of case manifestations to go around and dramatize. Do we label people according to their case manifestations? Geeze. What a nightmare.  Anyway, I am wondering if back in the day the gay people were just allowed to be gay, or if they were told not to have sex. II think that second dynamic case can be huge, but I still don&#039;t know that scientology auditing &#039;handles&#039; people on this subject. I&#039;m not totally convinced if it all something the thetan brought with it, or if the ge and biology of the body may not be rigged that way thus influencing the mind of the being. I&#039;m wondering if Ralph ever changed.  Any data on any of the above?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-great-ideal-orgs-scam/#comment-13727">Joe Pendleton</a>.</p>
<p>Joe,<br />
Yes, I like the ads too. They say a lot.<br />
 RE: Ralph Crisione , I remember that he was very very gay back in the day. I know that I was curious about how that could be since all the Scientology information pointed to being gay as an engramic compulsion. I didn&#8217;t care if he was or wasn&#8217;t on one level, but according to the &#8216;tech&#8217; he was a walking contradiction as he was done with 7.  There were others as well that I knew who were 7&#8217;s. At the time I just thought, &#8216;well, that is how he desires to be&#8217; as I considered it was purely his choice. Auditor David Lenard who was done with 7 was also gay and kept it hidden which is why  he married Le Claire. They had a baby, then they got divorced. He moved away, but continued to go out with guys. I know the church policy, at least in practice, was to tell gay folk to not participate while getting auditing, but I have never seen an LRH policy or HCOB on it directly. Do you know of one?<br />
 My nephew, who is gay, was told that he was engaging in &#8216;deviant behavior&#8217; and he couldn&#8217;t participate in the 2d while doing the purify. He was shown the tone scale and was told It was in the 1.1 band. What an eval! What a joke! Telling people not to do what is natural is ridiculous, especially on the purif! He could have banged his way all the way through the purif and it wouldn&#8217;t have made ANY  difference in the outcome of his purif. This really irritated me. The church shouldn&#8217;t dictate what is or isn&#8217;t an overt. If a person is gay and this is their 2d, then so be it. It won&#8217;t inhibit or otherwise interfere with their auditing because it is how they normally operate.  I would like to know at what point the church decided to make it &#8216;illegal&#8217; to have gay sex. How could anyone get audited if they had to comply with that? If they violated it, then it would be a withhold and they would get further sec checked and would have to go to ethics for being &#8216;out ethics&#8217; as a pc and then get nowhere. I don&#8217;t know how one aberration is better or worse than another unless someone is a pedifile or a serial killer, there are plenty of case manifestations to go around and dramatize. Do we label people according to their case manifestations? Geeze. What a nightmare.  Anyway, I am wondering if back in the day the gay people were just allowed to be gay, or if they were told not to have sex. II think that second dynamic case can be huge, but I still don&#8217;t know that scientology auditing &#8216;handles&#8217; people on this subject. I&#8217;m not totally convinced if it all something the thetan brought with it, or if the ge and biology of the body may not be rigged that way thus influencing the mind of the being. I&#8217;m wondering if Ralph ever changed.  Any data on any of the above?</p>
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		By: Jewel		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-great-ideal-orgs-scam/#comment-13821</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jewel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Aug 2013 06:49:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-great-ideal-orgs-scam/#comment-13664&quot;&gt;War Horse&lt;/a&gt;.

You nailed it. LOL!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-great-ideal-orgs-scam/#comment-13664">War Horse</a>.</p>
<p>You nailed it. LOL!</p>
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		By: Jewel		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-great-ideal-orgs-scam/#comment-13820</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jewel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Aug 2013 06:47:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-great-ideal-orgs-scam/#comment-13672&quot;&gt;Valerie&lt;/a&gt;.

Valerie,
How do people like Kirstie or organizations like the church pay people to visit their sights? I am ignorant about this. Doesn&#039;t advertising for clients make them look bad? Are there organizations who &#039;manage&#039; your websites or accounts by having people blog or whatever as a job? How much do these people get paid? Is this common practice?  This is curious to me.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-great-ideal-orgs-scam/#comment-13672">Valerie</a>.</p>
<p>Valerie,<br />
How do people like Kirstie or organizations like the church pay people to visit their sights? I am ignorant about this. Doesn&#8217;t advertising for clients make them look bad? Are there organizations who &#8216;manage&#8217; your websites or accounts by having people blog or whatever as a job? How much do these people get paid? Is this common practice?  This is curious to me.</p>
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		By: DollarMorgue		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-great-ideal-orgs-scam/#comment-13782</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DollarMorgue]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Aug 2013 22:10:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-great-ideal-orgs-scam/#comment-13711&quot;&gt;The Oracle&lt;/a&gt;.

You are too kind, assuming he had all that to lose in the first place.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-great-ideal-orgs-scam/#comment-13711">The Oracle</a>.</p>
<p>You are too kind, assuming he had all that to lose in the first place.</p>
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		By: DollarMorgue		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-great-ideal-orgs-scam/#comment-13781</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DollarMorgue]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Aug 2013 22:09:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-great-ideal-orgs-scam/#comment-13686&quot;&gt;Theo Sismanides&lt;/a&gt;.

How about missing leadership?]]></description>
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<p>How about missing leadership?</p>
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		By: DollarMorgue		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-great-ideal-orgs-scam/#comment-13779</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DollarMorgue]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Aug 2013 22:07:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-great-ideal-orgs-scam/#comment-13740&quot;&gt;Conditioner&lt;/a&gt;.

I guess that was when org production was measured by auditors made and pcs winning, not parishioners bilked and dollars extorted.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-great-ideal-orgs-scam/#comment-13740">Conditioner</a>.</p>
<p>I guess that was when org production was measured by auditors made and pcs winning, not parishioners bilked and dollars extorted.</p>
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