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		By: Neverend		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Neverend]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 May 2013 10:59:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-ias-the-black-heart-of-the-scientology-vulture-culture/#comment-3274&quot;&gt;Christine&lt;/a&gt;.

It would be hard to beleive these wouldn&#039;t have since  been edited not to associate
MarySue  as having written them, and  since DM  lied and betrayed her and her family
under duress more or less prisioning her and making her sign all  over to then RTC
under pressure and falsehood behind the back of her husband and now both  dead.
I myself knew she did some  years ago I saw them myself.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-ias-the-black-heart-of-the-scientology-vulture-culture/#comment-3274">Christine</a>.</p>
<p>It would be hard to beleive these wouldn&#8217;t have since  been edited not to associate<br />
MarySue  as having written them, and  since DM  lied and betrayed her and her family<br />
under duress more or less prisioning her and making her sign all  over to then RTC<br />
under pressure and falsehood behind the back of her husband and now both  dead.<br />
I myself knew she did some  years ago I saw them myself.</p>
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		By: Valkov		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Valkov]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 May 2013 05:27:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[My perception of the IAS is that it completely undercut and subverted the orgs.   The IAS impoverished the public field of every org on the one hand,  and took org staff off post for much of the time, making them do call-in and event preps as well as event organization during frequent events for many years.   Org staff were essentially constantly being double-hatted,  robbing them of sleep and pay.   This can be considered a &quot;done&quot; for Miscavige - the nullification of orgs as tech delivery vehicles.    So the shift to the Basics and the Idle Orgs schemes and the concentration on hitting on the &#039;whales&#039;(wealthy donors) for money,  as all the regular folks are long since tapped out, driven to bankruptcy and in some cases murder and suicide,  like Rex Fowler.

That&#039;s the IAS in a nutshell, &quot;furthering and protecting the Aims of Scientology&quot; they would have us believe,  when it&#039;s the ultimate 3rd party.

Oh, and they have long since been telling people they will get  &quot;more case gain by donating to the IAS, than by doing Bridge services like auditing&quot;, and steering people away from donating for their Bridges.

However justified the IAS may have seemed back in the late1980s,   they have for some time been the scum of the Earth.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My perception of the IAS is that it completely undercut and subverted the orgs.   The IAS impoverished the public field of every org on the one hand,  and took org staff off post for much of the time, making them do call-in and event preps as well as event organization during frequent events for many years.   Org staff were essentially constantly being double-hatted,  robbing them of sleep and pay.   This can be considered a &#8220;done&#8221; for Miscavige &#8211; the nullification of orgs as tech delivery vehicles.    So the shift to the Basics and the Idle Orgs schemes and the concentration on hitting on the &#8216;whales'(wealthy donors) for money,  as all the regular folks are long since tapped out, driven to bankruptcy and in some cases murder and suicide,  like Rex Fowler.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the IAS in a nutshell, &#8220;furthering and protecting the Aims of Scientology&#8221; they would have us believe,  when it&#8217;s the ultimate 3rd party.</p>
<p>Oh, and they have long since been telling people they will get  &#8220;more case gain by donating to the IAS, than by doing Bridge services like auditing&#8221;, and steering people away from donating for their Bridges.</p>
<p>However justified the IAS may have seemed back in the late1980s,   they have for some time been the scum of the Earth.</p>
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		By: The Oracle		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Oracle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 May 2013 03:49:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[How is this for &quot;exchange&quot;?   From Karen de le Carriere:

&quot;I served aboard the Flagship Apollo where I was trained by LRH to the level of Class XII C/S. I am one of only seven Class XII C/S&#039; LRH ever made.

After LRH took Flag ashore in Clearwater, I met and fell in love with Heber Jentzsch. We married and Heber went on to become the President of the Church of Scientology International. I remained devoted to LRH and to my duties as a Class XII C/S at Flag. I won &quot;Auditor of the Year&quot; at Flag numerous times.

COB RTC David Miscavige ordered Heber Jentzsch and I to be divorced and has utterly destroyed our 2nd dynamic.

I was suddenly a single mother with a child to support. Heber was unable to pay any child support.

Indeed, Heber could not even support himself on his $50 per week Sea Org pay. I did not protest this as Heber was the President of the Church of Scientology International and I did not want to create a flap for the Church. The Church had me sign affidavits on video camera that I would never ask for child support.

I routed out of the Sea Org in 1990 and took many years to pay off my $90,000 Freeloader Debt.&quot;

The Church made her sign her civil, legal and human rights away and sent her packing with a 90,000.00 &quot;Freeloader debt&quot;  after DECADES of service, as a single mother with no support.  They FILMED her promising not to ask the father of her child to take any responsibility!     If I were her I would BACK SUE right now The Church Of Scientology for that support and subpeona that film they made right into court.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How is this for &#8220;exchange&#8221;?   From Karen de le Carriere:</p>
<p>&#8220;I served aboard the Flagship Apollo where I was trained by LRH to the level of Class XII C/S. I am one of only seven Class XII C/S&#8217; LRH ever made.</p>
<p>After LRH took Flag ashore in Clearwater, I met and fell in love with Heber Jentzsch. We married and Heber went on to become the President of the Church of Scientology International. I remained devoted to LRH and to my duties as a Class XII C/S at Flag. I won &#8220;Auditor of the Year&#8221; at Flag numerous times.</p>
<p>COB RTC David Miscavige ordered Heber Jentzsch and I to be divorced and has utterly destroyed our 2nd dynamic.</p>
<p>I was suddenly a single mother with a child to support. Heber was unable to pay any child support.</p>
<p>Indeed, Heber could not even support himself on his $50 per week Sea Org pay. I did not protest this as Heber was the President of the Church of Scientology International and I did not want to create a flap for the Church. The Church had me sign affidavits on video camera that I would never ask for child support.</p>
<p>I routed out of the Sea Org in 1990 and took many years to pay off my $90,000 Freeloader Debt.&#8221;</p>
<p>The Church made her sign her civil, legal and human rights away and sent her packing with a 90,000.00 &#8220;Freeloader debt&#8221;  after DECADES of service, as a single mother with no support.  They FILMED her promising not to ask the father of her child to take any responsibility!     If I were her I would BACK SUE right now The Church Of Scientology for that support and subpeona that film they made right into court.</p>
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		By: Brett		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brett]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 May 2013 02:05:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Nice cover photo...pretty much says it all. I&#039;m here if you need me Mike.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice cover photo&#8230;pretty much says it all. I&#8217;m here if you need me Mike.</p>
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		By: Sindy Fagen		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sindy Fagen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 May 2013 00:00:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-ias-the-black-heart-of-the-scientology-vulture-culture/#comment-3259&quot;&gt;uncover&lt;/a&gt;.

A very astute observation.]]></description>
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<p>A very astute observation.</p>
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		By: The Oracle		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Oracle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 May 2013 22:53:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-ias-the-black-heart-of-the-scientology-vulture-culture/#comment-3282&quot;&gt;The Oracle&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;Quite ironic that they had to talk to an ash tray.&quot;

I don&#039;t think they had a cognition on the ashtray drill, either did their bosses, the Scientology Chiropractors. Otherwise, when their patients were ready for treatment, the Chiro&#039;s would just stand behind the patient and yell at the patient: &quot;STAND UP!   STRAIGHTEN YOUR BACK OUT!&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-ias-the-black-heart-of-the-scientology-vulture-culture/#comment-3282">The Oracle</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;Quite ironic that they had to talk to an ash tray.&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think they had a cognition on the ashtray drill, either did their bosses, the Scientology Chiropractors. Otherwise, when their patients were ready for treatment, the Chiro&#8217;s would just stand behind the patient and yell at the patient: &#8220;STAND UP!   STRAIGHTEN YOUR BACK OUT!&#8221;</p>
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		By: Mike Rinder		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Rinder]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 May 2013 21:53:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-ias-the-black-heart-of-the-scientology-vulture-culture/#comment-3285&quot;&gt;Philip Arlington&lt;/a&gt;.

Courage?]]></description>
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<p>Courage?</p>
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		By: Jane		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jane]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 May 2013 21:15:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Interesting article.  I&#039;m intrigued that on the one hand there are former members of the Church of Scientoogy saying the root of all evil is the IAS and yet here in the UK almost everyone I speak to &#039;knows&#039; that scientology does not exist in the UK!  The exceptions are people connected to the media and to some extent the financial services.  Oh yes, and for some strange reason the Independent Police Complaints Commission which wrote in a report that my warning someone that he was being exploited by the CoS was harassment.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting article.  I&#8217;m intrigued that on the one hand there are former members of the Church of Scientoogy saying the root of all evil is the IAS and yet here in the UK almost everyone I speak to &#8216;knows&#8217; that scientology does not exist in the UK!  The exceptions are people connected to the media and to some extent the financial services.  Oh yes, and for some strange reason the Independent Police Complaints Commission which wrote in a report that my warning someone that he was being exploited by the CoS was harassment.</p>
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		By: Tom		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 May 2013 20:42:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-ias-the-black-heart-of-the-scientology-vulture-culture/#comment-3284&quot;&gt;The Oracle&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;I support Religious Freedom!!!&quot;...ehh as long as its $cn.

Quite ironic that they had to talk to an ash tray, because this clinic owner is going to get his BUTT SMOKED.  Let&#039;s see if the church is there to back him up, or will they turn their back on yet another?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-ias-the-black-heart-of-the-scientology-vulture-culture/#comment-3284">The Oracle</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;I support Religious Freedom!!!&#8221;&#8230;ehh as long as its $cn.</p>
<p>Quite ironic that they had to talk to an ash tray, because this clinic owner is going to get his BUTT SMOKED.  Let&#8217;s see if the church is there to back him up, or will they turn their back on yet another?</p>
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		By: Hallie Jane		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hallie Jane]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 May 2013 20:42:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-ias-the-black-heart-of-the-scientology-vulture-culture/#comment-3269&quot;&gt;Jim Logan&lt;/a&gt;.

Brilliant Jim.   The corp. church is fundamentally off purpose.  All actions not directly contributing to the wins of pcs and preots or thoroughly trained auditors is pure dev-t.   PURE dev-t.  I was struck at Flag, by the quantity of SO members spending all their time managing hotel rooms or restaurants.  I thought every one of them should be an auditor, word clearer or supervisor.   Let the public create a vibrant support community surrounding the orgs, which would of course, support the orgs.  There could so easily be a game where everyone wins, when real, on purpose exchange is occurring, especially, the wins of proper auditing.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-ias-the-black-heart-of-the-scientology-vulture-culture/#comment-3269">Jim Logan</a>.</p>
<p>Brilliant Jim.   The corp. church is fundamentally off purpose.  All actions not directly contributing to the wins of pcs and preots or thoroughly trained auditors is pure dev-t.   PURE dev-t.  I was struck at Flag, by the quantity of SO members spending all their time managing hotel rooms or restaurants.  I thought every one of them should be an auditor, word clearer or supervisor.   Let the public create a vibrant support community surrounding the orgs, which would of course, support the orgs.  There could so easily be a game where everyone wins, when real, on purpose exchange is occurring, especially, the wins of proper auditing.</p>
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