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		By: Aquamarine		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-ideal-org-trickle-down/#comment-226</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Mar 2013 04:39:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-ideal-org-trickle-down/#comment-225&quot;&gt;Aquamarine&lt;/a&gt;.

CORRECTION: on DM&#039;s personal private Admin Scale, stats would have to be as &quot;straight UP and vertical&quot; as possible in order to align with his goal, purpose, policy, plan, ideal scene, etc..]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-ideal-org-trickle-down/#comment-225">Aquamarine</a>.</p>
<p>CORRECTION: on DM&#8217;s personal private Admin Scale, stats would have to be as &#8220;straight UP and vertical&#8221; as possible in order to align with his goal, purpose, policy, plan, ideal scene, etc..</p>
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		By: Aquamarine		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-ideal-org-trickle-down/#comment-225</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Mar 2013 04:22:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-ideal-org-trickle-down/#comment-211&quot;&gt;Steve Poore&lt;/a&gt;.

So DM has his Admin Scale:
GOAL - (LRH&#039;s Scientology Destroyed),
PURPOSE - (to feel safe, to prevent others from being helped, to get rich, stuck in an old incident, other case dramatizations, etc.),
POLICY - (squirrelled auditing, punishing upstats and rewarding downstats, Overt Invalidation of Clears and OTs unless they&#039;re very rich in which case be covert,  in short whenever and however possible don&#039;t do what LRH said to do as regards auditing, training, admin and ethics, emphasis on cross ordering, new &quot;My Way or the Highway&quot; policy as regards orders.
Plan -( Ideal Org fundraising, IAS Fundraising, Library, Super Power, etc. etc.etc straight donos to eventually phase out delivery of any actual Scientology with emphasis on getting rid of existing auditors and training as few new ones as possible)
PROGRAMS and PROJECTS -  need not be enumerated as quite familiar to all of us andcompletely in accordance with PLAN -see POLICY as re &quot;My Way or the Highway&quot;.
ORDERS - Ditto
STATS -  Straight down and vertical
IDEAL SCENE - No more auditors, every Scientologist&#039;s case in a snarled confused mess, all Ideal Org buildings all  fully paid for and handsomely renovated with parishioner money, everyone everywhere knowing that LRH was a fraud and a con man, Scientology hated, feared and ridiculed by everyone, &quot;unlimited funds in my private account&quot; ...

Hey, looks to me like his admin scale lines up very well.  My only question is - what is his target date for the Goal?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-ideal-org-trickle-down/#comment-211">Steve Poore</a>.</p>
<p>So DM has his Admin Scale:<br />
GOAL &#8211; (LRH&#8217;s Scientology Destroyed),<br />
PURPOSE &#8211; (to feel safe, to prevent others from being helped, to get rich, stuck in an old incident, other case dramatizations, etc.),<br />
POLICY &#8211; (squirrelled auditing, punishing upstats and rewarding downstats, Overt Invalidation of Clears and OTs unless they&#8217;re very rich in which case be covert,  in short whenever and however possible don&#8217;t do what LRH said to do as regards auditing, training, admin and ethics, emphasis on cross ordering, new &#8220;My Way or the Highway&#8221; policy as regards orders.<br />
Plan -( Ideal Org fundraising, IAS Fundraising, Library, Super Power, etc. etc.etc straight donos to eventually phase out delivery of any actual Scientology with emphasis on getting rid of existing auditors and training as few new ones as possible)<br />
PROGRAMS and PROJECTS &#8211;  need not be enumerated as quite familiar to all of us andcompletely in accordance with PLAN -see POLICY as re &#8220;My Way or the Highway&#8221;.<br />
ORDERS &#8211; Ditto<br />
STATS &#8211;  Straight down and vertical<br />
IDEAL SCENE &#8211; No more auditors, every Scientologist&#8217;s case in a snarled confused mess, all Ideal Org buildings all  fully paid for and handsomely renovated with parishioner money, everyone everywhere knowing that LRH was a fraud and a con man, Scientology hated, feared and ridiculed by everyone, &#8220;unlimited funds in my private account&#8221; &#8230;</p>
<p>Hey, looks to me like his admin scale lines up very well.  My only question is &#8211; what is his target date for the Goal?</p>
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		By: Aquamarine		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-ideal-org-trickle-down/#comment-224</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Mar 2013 03:26:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-ideal-org-trickle-down/#comment-202&quot;&gt;Simple Thetan&lt;/a&gt;.

Of course, he had to, Simple.  It was helping.  Can&#039;t have that.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-ideal-org-trickle-down/#comment-202">Simple Thetan</a>.</p>
<p>Of course, he had to, Simple.  It was helping.  Can&#8217;t have that.</p>
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		By: Vertsurblanc		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-ideal-org-trickle-down/#comment-223</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Mar 2013 19:29:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-ideal-org-trickle-down/#comment-221&quot;&gt;Ronnie Bell&lt;/a&gt;.

Ronnie. I am not sure if you will this as it is a late comment.

&quot;There’s a point at which even the most loyal parishioners will have to face the truth of the existing scene, as it becomes plain for all to see that a final collapse is imminent.&quot;

Looking at the next article on Superpower, it is more reason for them to see the writing on the wall.

As you say, thankfully the tech is alive outside.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-ideal-org-trickle-down/#comment-221">Ronnie Bell</a>.</p>
<p>Ronnie. I am not sure if you will this as it is a late comment.</p>
<p>&#8220;There’s a point at which even the most loyal parishioners will have to face the truth of the existing scene, as it becomes plain for all to see that a final collapse is imminent.&#8221;</p>
<p>Looking at the next article on Superpower, it is more reason for them to see the writing on the wall.</p>
<p>As you say, thankfully the tech is alive outside.</p>
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		By: Moonshot		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-ideal-org-trickle-down/#comment-222</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Mar 2013 02:53:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-ideal-org-trickle-down/#comment-176&quot;&gt;Mike Rinder&lt;/a&gt;.

Mike,

I was doing volunteer work at this center a few years ago. At that time it was run by an OT8 and was giving free tutoring to kids with learning problems from the local school system. Interestingly, the center didnt really do any of the LRH study tech. It was a phonics system. Most of the kids there were the children of illegal mexican immigrants. So the kids really didnt have a learning problem, they just wherent originally educated in english, and the program worked great for them. What they do now, i have no idea, but that was the scene as of a few years ago.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-ideal-org-trickle-down/#comment-176">Mike Rinder</a>.</p>
<p>Mike,</p>
<p>I was doing volunteer work at this center a few years ago. At that time it was run by an OT8 and was giving free tutoring to kids with learning problems from the local school system. Interestingly, the center didnt really do any of the LRH study tech. It was a phonics system. Most of the kids there were the children of illegal mexican immigrants. So the kids really didnt have a learning problem, they just wherent originally educated in english, and the program worked great for them. What they do now, i have no idea, but that was the scene as of a few years ago.</p>
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		By: Ronnie Bell		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Mar 2013 00:49:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;It is such a tragedy that this slow meltdown is happening. There is an attrition, a wasting away of interest and people who want to play. I am not sure how this will play out but it certainly involves fewer and fewer participants.&lt;/i&gt;

I&#039;m sure you&#039;re echoing the thoughts of most of us, Greenonwhite. Especially those of us who were involved in Scientology when the orgs were bursting at the seams, and the place was exploding with real life wins all around. To watch it all come to this....is something that&#039;s honestly hard to fathom or describe. Were it not for the fact that the technology is now in the hands of those who truly care for it, the loss would be too profound to communicate.

It&#039;s true that there are fewer and fewer participants, but in light of what the church has become, it&#039;s entirely appropriate, and to be expected. That is, if one has the ability to look with both eyes and see what it&#039;s become. But as you indicated, the numbers of those whose eyes are opening, is growing - which is a very good thing.

There&#039;s no question that the health of the organization is rapidly declining, as witnessed by all of the empty &#039;Ideal Orgs&#039;, and the ever-increasing pressures being put upon those still loyal to the church. Every stat of real importance to the sustainability of the organization is chronically down-trending. There&#039;s a point at which even the most loyal parishioners will have to face the truth of the existing scene, as it becomes plain for all to see that a final collapse is imminent.

From all that I&#039;ve read and seen, that point can&#039;t be more than a year or two off, at best. As to what comes next, I&#039;d say the new paradigm has already begun.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>It is such a tragedy that this slow meltdown is happening. There is an attrition, a wasting away of interest and people who want to play. I am not sure how this will play out but it certainly involves fewer and fewer participants.</i></p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;re echoing the thoughts of most of us, Greenonwhite. Especially those of us who were involved in Scientology when the orgs were bursting at the seams, and the place was exploding with real life wins all around. To watch it all come to this&#8230;.is something that&#8217;s honestly hard to fathom or describe. Were it not for the fact that the technology is now in the hands of those who truly care for it, the loss would be too profound to communicate.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s true that there are fewer and fewer participants, but in light of what the church has become, it&#8217;s entirely appropriate, and to be expected. That is, if one has the ability to look with both eyes and see what it&#8217;s become. But as you indicated, the numbers of those whose eyes are opening, is growing &#8211; which is a very good thing.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s no question that the health of the organization is rapidly declining, as witnessed by all of the empty &#8216;Ideal Orgs&#8217;, and the ever-increasing pressures being put upon those still loyal to the church. Every stat of real importance to the sustainability of the organization is chronically down-trending. There&#8217;s a point at which even the most loyal parishioners will have to face the truth of the existing scene, as it becomes plain for all to see that a final collapse is imminent.</p>
<p>From all that I&#8217;ve read and seen, that point can&#8217;t be more than a year or two off, at best. As to what comes next, I&#8217;d say the new paradigm has already begun.</p>
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		By: Simple Thetan		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-ideal-org-trickle-down/#comment-220</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Mar 2013 23:08:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-ideal-org-trickle-down/#comment-201&quot;&gt;Simple Thetan&lt;/a&gt;.

Karen,
I get so angry at these criminals that I feel I must pull myself up the scale with humor.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-ideal-org-trickle-down/#comment-201">Simple Thetan</a>.</p>
<p>Karen,<br />
I get so angry at these criminals that I feel I must pull myself up the scale with humor.</p>
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		By: Steve Poore		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-ideal-org-trickle-down/#comment-219</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Mar 2013 22:09:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-ideal-org-trickle-down/#comment-215&quot;&gt;Mike Rinder&lt;/a&gt;.

sounds good Mike.
 straight down and vertical!]]></description>
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<p>sounds good Mike.<br />
 straight down and vertical!</p>
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		By: Vertsurblanc		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Mar 2013 21:52:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I was recently talking to an org ED and his dedication to expanding his org is genuine and deep-felt.

It is such a tragedy that this slow meltdown is happening.

Steve, your comments are spot-on. There is an attrition, a wasting away of interest and people who want to play. I am not sure how this will play out but it certainly involves fewer and fewer participants.

I have not been able to get out openly yet for reasons I believe are critical to my way forward. I have come to know more and more who are doing what I am doing. They all are thoroughly and completely disillusioned with the scene and agree that this management regime is the reason starting with DM. They do not believe it will solve with DM in place and think the rot is so deep, a repair even if he does leave is still a huge challenge.

We have withdrawn our funds, our presence our goodwill.

Mike, this blog is an absolutely vital part of the process we are undergoing. One of the results of this space and each article posted is that another one and then another sees enough and joins this growing group outside the RCS. These numbers need to grow to add to whatever happens thereafter.

Greenonwhite]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was recently talking to an org ED and his dedication to expanding his org is genuine and deep-felt.</p>
<p>It is such a tragedy that this slow meltdown is happening.</p>
<p>Steve, your comments are spot-on. There is an attrition, a wasting away of interest and people who want to play. I am not sure how this will play out but it certainly involves fewer and fewer participants.</p>
<p>I have not been able to get out openly yet for reasons I believe are critical to my way forward. I have come to know more and more who are doing what I am doing. They all are thoroughly and completely disillusioned with the scene and agree that this management regime is the reason starting with DM. They do not believe it will solve with DM in place and think the rot is so deep, a repair even if he does leave is still a huge challenge.</p>
<p>We have withdrawn our funds, our presence our goodwill.</p>
<p>Mike, this blog is an absolutely vital part of the process we are undergoing. One of the results of this space and each article posted is that another one and then another sees enough and joins this growing group outside the RCS. These numbers need to grow to add to whatever happens thereafter.</p>
<p>Greenonwhite</p>
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		By: The Oracle		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Mar 2013 21:32:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-ideal-org-trickle-down/#comment-208&quot;&gt;KFrancis&lt;/a&gt;.

Hysterical!  Too funny!]]></description>
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<p>Hysterical!  Too funny!</p>
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