It’s not just Xenu though, it’s the entire extraterrestrial narrative. The CoS used to embrace it in its promo, at least in part. Someone tweeted a 1970s advert for HYLBTL earlier today (see https://twitter.com/mrjeffknox/status/1775306617246105694) from Flying Saucers magazine. Compare that to the nondescript Miscavige-era “lay off the whole track” superbowl cheese.

More ppl believe in aliens and the “deep state” today than ever before. Rather than appeal to this ever-growing audience (much like Hub did in his day) they completely ignore it. Today’s ads seem to be geared more towards the MEST-oriented middle class (or those who spend money on trash).

No, makes me wonder, is science fiction not a well thought of genre in France.

The Bruce Willis movie 5th element was French director directed wasn’t it?

I’d think the French speakers would soften more up to old Xenu!

“Revolt In The Stars” might better be produced as a comedy, and by outsiders, but ASI/Miscavige will never sell the rights of that Hubbard movie to anyone. So was Hubbard, greedy dastard he was. Wanted always money for his “products.”

Xenu also. Xenu would just be a breakthrough “LRH product” to capitalize on, I’ve always thought, once I saw of what Hubbard words/concepts to centralize upon, which “tie it all together!”

Hubbard, Xenu, save the universe with the Hubbard “serious” “tech” (the pseudo-therapy and exorcism, with the exorcism even being necessary due to Xenu).

Xenu would be Hubbard’s “galactic devil” to sell. John Travolta playing the Battlefield Earth character “Terl.”

Imagine if Tom Cruse, once he ages gracefully, gets the idea to up John Travolta’s dedication to LRH and for Cruise play “Xenu” in a sanction “Revolt In The Stars” making of this Hubbard script! (Something to wish for, Cruise playing Xenu in “Revolt In The Stars” Hubbard unproduced movie.)

Maybe someday, that’s not as far fetched as one thinks.

A discussion of the Xenu character in the “Revolt In The Stars” script which is by Hubbard, it has to be noted, Xenu is present in the script, but body-thetans and the”OT case” concept is not. Hubbard absolutely consciously limited the OT 3 story to exclude the “OT case” leaking from the body-thetans into us earthlings from the “Revolt in The Stars” story-board/script of Hubbard’s.

Xenu yes, Hubbard broached this character to be used in the movie, but body-thetans and the OT case, not included.

So much trivia to Hubbard’s output and his goals, many which are not yet spilled out of the cornucopia (the ASI symbol which is LRH approved) of the “LRH products” (this two word phrase is in the ASI advices, the “LRH products/properties”)

Xenu is luckily a non copyrighted “LRH product” that due to the backfiring taboo rules Hubbard made, this prevented ASI from copyrighting “Xenu.”

Always LRH’s fault, literally always his fault when you trace it all back.

You mean Xenu isn’t a French Gnu dressed in black trousers, black and white striped tshirt, beret, with a moustouche and holding a baguette? My dreams are shattered…sob…sob…

yes, this is almost a good slight turn for them to do this.

Q: What is Xenu?

A: It is something that we don’t talk about until we are at a certain level.

Q: Why?

A: Because people are not ready. When you are not ready to know certain truths [Gaetane hesitates and interestingly picks some hair off the reporter’s coat, LOL] ….when you are not ready for this type of information you continue up your steps until you can find out who or what this is. And I’m not there yet, so. [Gaetane shrugs]

Q: So you don’t even know what Xenu is? [Very sad, all these years working in OSA, Gaetane hasn’t gotten to OT 3. Doubly sad that she is President of the Continental President role for the AO AF/Cont Af Scientology there, that she is not even as spiritually advanced as the “techincal” staff at Advanced Org. This problem is directly Hubbard’s fault for allowing paperpushers to be the “heads” of the management echelons who are OVER the spiritual practitioners and followers who are “higher” spiritually educated and achieved. Sea Org staffs and lower echelon staffs are woefully NOT the most spiritually advanced and cannot even discuss their OT 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7 exorcism/soul-freeing procedures, which AO AF delivers the OT 3, 4 and 5 exorcism steps, which Gaetane has NOT even received, nor is allowed to describe!]

What a terrible pickle being staff, being the President of AO AF/Cont Af a PR position and she’s actually the top OSA/DSA PR person for Af, and she isn’t even OT 3.

One thing constantly, Hubbard never caught up these continuing problems he’d created.

As far back as 1970 in the celebrity writer’s hindsights on his Scientology experience, and regarding the OT 3 stuff, William Burroughs rightly said the Hubbard secret “OT levels” material ought freely be publicly made available to judge.

That problem Hubbard didn’t properly address, so that today, 2024, Scientology cannot answer the Xenu question spiritually theoretically.

I helped train Gaetane at several times in her years of Hubbard admin training. I helped train other of the DSA PR people, and even helped admin train some of the old GO people.

It is a constant problem, the spiritual theories of Scientology are NOT simply explained, EVER, by neither Hubbard and subsequently by the followers nor the PR people.

All are crippled by Hubbard’s precautions.

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This particular problem has stuck with me all my decades since leaving Scientology.

“We” ought to be able to neutrally answer Xenu and body-thetans questions.

No one is addressing this, as Hubbard’s rules preclude it.

It’s a forever massive problem.

Outsider academics only puppet the pathetic bad explanations like Gaetane’s and then try to compare Scientology’s secrecy regarding the “upper levels” to other mystical spiritual groups which don’t tell publicly their beliefs.

BUT, history has overlapped Scientology/Hubbard’s self crippling.

Scientology is a sort of soul memories therapy/exorcism-soul-freeing subject.

Xenu caused the need for the exorcism/soul-freeing that Scientology begins with their followers at the Advanced Orgs, like AO AF, where OT 3, 4, and 5 exorcism/soul-freeing is begun on the members.

They can’t sadly even say this.

Only outsiders who’ve figured it out, and simplified it like above, can explain Scientology simply.

Hubbard never did, so orthodox official Scientology is still crippled explaining simply the spiritual theory behind Xenu’s dumping body-thetans onto earth which today Scientology’s Advanced Orgs do the first three exorcism/soul-freeing steps to remove those body-thetans (invisible souls which Xenu mass murdered, mass implanted and dumped onto earth which today infest all humans, requiring the five full exorcism levels finally from Scientology, OT 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7, to exorcise/soul-free from a person’s body).

Gaetane won’t be able to say this, not until she quits OSA and gets out of official Scientology, and then someday unbrainwash herself enough from the Hubbard dogma that crippled her from answering “Who is Xenu?”

Chuck Beatty
ex Sea Org 75 til 03 (paperpusher almost all my time in Sea Org, but always like a fly on the wall noticing all the flaws in this cult Hubbard built, it’s quackery and not something anyone should do other than read about it)

Excellent answers, thankyou very much. I wish all the ex NOTs auditors (Class 9’s) who have done thousands of hours of OT 5 on other top Scientologists, would be surveyed, and all their hindsights permanently made available, as ongoing history.

So many followup questions, but your answers I greatly appreciate.

– Chuck Beatty
ex Admin Course Sup (I was always wishing the high up auditors were making “OT” people, but what actually happened didn’t match what was promised, but all ongoing raw results and hindsights should be preserved and made known)

I’m so glad you didn’t hit snooze and came out. We are enriched because of it.

Cindy, I’ve been in SO for almost 15 years, and when you’re in there for a while, you lose touch with reality because their reality is hammered into you every day. Additionally, the ethics and mutual control by the staff are very high, so eventually, you accept things as they tell you. Then, one day (for everyone), the moment of awakening comes, and one looks around and says, “What the heck am I doing here?!?” Some people leave, but others hit the “snooze” button and go back to sleep.

I can’t say whether people find it more enjoyable or not. AO AF operates just like any other Sea Org delivery organization. After all, everyone at AO AF used to work at FSO.

Discussing the subjective and religious aspects of auditing is tricky. As a former IX auditor and OT 7, it’s hard to prove or disprove what Hubbard called “Body Thetans.”

Hubbard’s stories about our history are a lot like Star Wars. If you believe the first story, you’re likely to follow along with the next. Each story leads into the next. Hubbard was a great storyteller.

I never dwelled on the OT 3 story much, and I know many people don’t think about it deeply. What do I think? Something made up by Hubbard’s imagination.

One thing though, in the Class IX course, there’s more about the body thetan story that doesn’t start with the OT 3 incident. Hubbard talks about BTs stuck together by opposite forces and doesn’t dive too deep into it.

But the most “out-of-body” or “spiritual” experiences I’ve had were during NOTs and SOLO NOTs.

The idea that entities can make the body sick isn’t unique to Scientology. It’s a common theme in many religions and ancient cultures, similar to beliefs in black magic.

After leaving the church many years ago, I’ve had time to explore other philosophies and reflect on my experiences.

My final thought is, if auditing is meant to “free” people, I’m not seeing it. The higher people go up the bridge, the more they rely on the church to solve their problems and the more robotic-type of fake certainty they seem to have.

And the story, as Hubbard tells it, ends where it began, leaving people in a sea of confusion.

Additionally I would argue, that OT auditing creates disassociation, confusion of self, schizophrenia, Dissociative Identity Disorder, and many other issues. I am not guessing it, I HAVE SEEN IT ALL.

The most vulnerable people I’ve seen, which also is the reason why I started doubting Scientology as a “all-end-solution”, are the OT 8s which I audited many.

That’s the point. All these stories never have a follow-up, updates, or any kind of continuation; they’re born and die there. Same story with the IAS collecting funds to solve some huge vital drama, but then nothing more is heard about it. There’s no bigger scam than this.

Hi Losing My Religion, I’m in awe of how much you know about many subjects. I wish the sheeple could hear that it had nothing to do with winds and currents and was basically LRH’s own hot air. But it amazes me how the SO and others just believed every word like it was from God himself. And then I realize I was just like that when I was in. That’s why I love what the Aftermath Fdn is doing to help people leave the SO and leave Scn.