Hi Aquamarine, I liked your post. After I wrote Command Intention to Valerie, I thought Whoops! Like the time I sat in Ron’s Chair in his Office to dust it as QM very green, because I was so so exhausted I could barely stand and a Div 7 comes roaring in drags me out with,” We do not ever sit in Ron’s Chair! Hi Ethics! So it may very well be with Command Intention ” We do not use that phase, it is owned by cob for eternity”.I will need to come up with another one. I’ll think on that.Love, Ann.

Dear Espi ,I forgot to include this link about Merrell Vennier , on my reply to you :

http://www.floridabar.org/wps/portal/flbar/home/attysearch/mprofile/!ut/p/a0/04_Sj9CPykssy0xPLMnMz0vMAfGjzOINjIxcDf2DDbzcvRwNDRy9g0wDvHy9DQyMzPQLsh0VAWggdpY!/?mid=214744

Peter

Espiando : “Well, Arthur’s now an artist who’s occasionally being given lip service by the cult. The same drone who was assigned to keep Mary Sue silent and away from the public eye over the last years of her life is assigned to him to keep him quiet and away from the public eye.”

Peter : Yeah , several months ago I searched for him , and found some of his work online :

http://www.aconwayhubbard.com/#work

I was not able to find any contact information about him , though. It is interesting the theme he chose for his art work.

Espiando : ” Suzette escaped, married, and is living a happy life.”

Peter : I am VERY happy for her. About her, I couldn’t find much online, except some details about some suit against her alleging copyright infringement. But it sounded like a frivolous suit. I am no lawyer , but that company (Perfect Pushup LLC) that sued Suzette’s (“White Marketing Services”) , had sued 3 other ones the year before (2008) . The case was dismissed 6 months after because, even though that Suzette had apparently bought the domain name for “PerfecPushup” , she never actually profited from the product. Anyway, I haven’t studied the case, so these are just my own conjectures about it. Apparently , Suzette no longer has that company, and I don’t even know if she still is with that Guy White who I think he was an Int Marketing terminal. There is a foreclosure note on a home at Hollywood owned by Guy White on 2010. I hope she is ok , and doing fine in life.

Espiando : “It’s only Diana that’s still imprisoned by the cult, kept in useless jobs and away from any potential influence she might have to pull off a coup d’etat. She’s pretty much the only one capable of doing it, but Miscavige is making sure she can’t get t o step one.”

Peter : Yeah, I was aware of it. If dear Diana were out in the field, wonderful games could be created to reform Scn , and a great inspiration would be born for the Still-ins. I don’t know how would she deal with her father’s wrongdoings, though. I always get this great nostalgia and griefy feeling when I think of Diana , specially when listening to one marvelous musical piece of her that she composed as part of her 1976 album , “LifeTimes”. It is titled, “Rose Colored Lights”. I can’t avoid the tears each time I listen to it. That was the year when her little brother died at the hospital after his attempt at “suicide” , 12 Nov 1976. The piece yarns for something ; something that is gone ; something that should have been but didn’t , with a sad hope at the end that one day all will be all right. Here it is :

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YnYyy05N938

They all got caught in the cross fire of it all. God bless them all and protect them.

Espiando : “If FG wants to understand my anger, all he has to do is look at what happened to a couple of members of my tribe, John McM aster and Quentin Hubbard, destroyed by LRH for being gay. That’s what he promised in Science of Survival, after all. You’d h ave anger against him if you were gay and knew what he wrote too.”

Peter : I DO understand your anger, dear Espi ; though I think that those times we weren’t ready to understand as a society ; we were blind and immature, and the cult aspect of it all regarding the right to love whoever the hell we wanted to , was too widespread. W/out analyzing that historical context one might be inclined to be a little unfair about it. The important thing is how they express themselves in PT. But I agree that silence is not acceptable at all.

Espiando : “Homophobia is a big hot button with the Indies. I got into it wi th Theo Gump over at Ortega’s when I asked him if he believed in the Tone Scale exactly as written in SoS. He fell into that trap and said yes, so I called him a homophobe who promoted concentration camps and extermination of LGBTs. He attempted to finesse around it, badly, and would go out of his way to never respond to me again.”

Peter : Being a bad boy, ah Espi ? :-)))

Espiando : “When I asked Dani Lemberger about the “eliminate, quietly and without sorrow” thing, he bent over backward to show how welcoming Dror Center was to people of all sexualities (he sounded very sincere about it, so I believed h im). ”

Peter : Dani is a true gentleman and his wife Tami a true queen. Very down-to-Earth individuals, capable of incredible understanding. And yes, he is very sincere. He and his wife are how all Indies ought to be like.

Espiando : ” I still want to ask Max Hauri about that issue, since I want to know Ron’s Orgs’ position on this (CBR said a thing or two that makes me wonder how homophobic he was).”

Peter : CBR was just a fanatic lunatic ; Max is another entirely different individual. You should go ahead and ask him ; you’ll be surprised how different he is from those KSW fanatics.

Espiando : “Vannier’s thing with the psychs is the same thing that turned me against Steve Hall. When Hall put up his websites, he stuck things in there about the Ebil Psychs, and that’s when it became clear to me that I had to expand my battle against Scientology to include the Indies.”

Peter : Steve is part of those KSW strict adherents ; you can’t get blood out of a turnip. Max, Dani , Tami, Anita Warren and her husband, Mary Freeman and husband, and many others, are a different breed of Indies. They can be trusted. A lot of them (I know many) don’t give a rat’s ass about the sexual preferences of anybody. But I don’t call them “KSW supporters” ; I call them “Liberal Scientologists”. Those two groups are very, very different.

Vannier ? Just take a look at this ; this says it all :

http://home.snafu.de/tilman/mgarde/vannier.txt

What more can you expect from an ex-GO guy ?

Espiando : “They weren’t going to change anything out of their sheer desire to show how much they followed KSW , unlike Miscavige.

Peter : Yes, that is a sad truth indeed. I think that group of strict KSW followers is getting smaller and smaller each day. Probably they are no more than 30 of them out-here ; most of them being part of the RTC of the field , MS2. It is really a pity how Lana Mitchell is so easily influenced by others she admires. That’s her main weakness. After the many articles at BIC about tolerance and understanding she adopted a more friendly attitude towards critics and dissenters. I had been following her blog analyzing her changes ; and I was really liking what I was seeing.

Then apparently her husband Jim Logan (a brilliant mind that if freed from the cultish aspect , is even Nobel Prize material) , one day woke up from the wrong side of the bed, and wrote a recent article criticizing again all critics and dissenters, specially the HBO doc and Wright’s book. And I thought then, “Why on hell did she let him do that, for Christ sakes!!! ; the gaps had already been closing between the two groups”. But it was already too late ; the damage had already been done , and there was no going back. “She did it again” , I thought ; She let herself be influenced again by people she respect and admires. Well, what can I say ? Life is made by choices ; I made mines , they made theirs.

Espiando : “FG probably doesn’t know that there have been at least two SP Declares written about Miscavige, one by Jon Atack in 1986. They’re on the Net and can be found easily. Those SP Declares didn’t work. Why would another one?”

Peter : Yeah, there is also one by the late John Joseph aka “Plain Old Thetan”. May be it was a “Treason Condition” assignment , but for all practical purposes, it was the same. Garcia’s letter to DM had a similar effect as well. No discipline of any nature work of psychopath personalities ; only brute force does , or totally isolating them from society.

Espiando : “It’s a shame that scnafrica shut everything down, Peter. Near the end, he/she/it was allowing criticism of Hubbard, a lot of it from you. The blog was on the verge of evolving like Marty’s an d Mike’s. There would have been no consequences to opening up the discussion beyond a couple of bitchy posts from Ronnie Bell and Robin Remoteviewed about “betraying Hubbard”. I wish scnafrica could have continued, because the blog was a terrific resource about a geographical area of Scientology that was generally uncovered. ”

Peter : Yeah, it is a shame, indeed ; their blog felt like family to me. South Africans are a different breed of cat. They have very strong and independent personalities. At the end, what we had was a multiplicity of viewpoints in there, and a lot of tolerance for divergence of views. As you said, only 2-3 , like conspiracy theorist Robin lame ass Remoteviewer , objected, but I usually handled any of them with great ease. Right when we had created the perfect blog ; the perfect combination of divergent viewpoints for others to benefit from ; it just closed down. The Admin never again answered my private emails, even when I offered my deepest apologies if I had offended him in any way. I thought he was my friend. I guess that many individuals base friendship in their similarity of religious beliefs. What a waste ; he changed my life for the better as nobody had done before, and I will always love him for that.

C’est la vie.

Peter : Yeah, that’s life, all right. Happy holidays for you and your family, dear Espiando. I hope that this new year 2016 you may meet someone that I know might change your life : FAITH.

FG, I think scientology auditing has value and deserves to be explored. Why should anybody think the metered interview system should be kept within the parameters of Hubbard’s methodology? He was a great innovator but, for instance, the light bulb has evolved beyond what Thomas Edison invented. The church can’t claim ownership of the metered interview. Any experienced auditor can strike out and develop their own system built on evidence-based theory as well as results. The sky is pretty much the limit for that kind of therapy so long as we know it’s about helping people get through their troubles and not about turning them into supermen.

Hi Espiando, A very Happy 2016 to you! Almost this time last year I literally bumped into Mike’s Blog after realizing I needed a safe space to be me. Mike is so amazing and I knew I had to be with all of you.I read all posts.Have I learned some lessons here? Absolutely and will continue doing so.
What I want to convey is we may not agree on all viewpoints and your thoughts etc are very strong, but I gather that is you. I want to let you know I understand your anger not 100% but I do see as much as I can in this area. Two first cousins on two different sides of my family have been gay for years and upfront about it.Fortunately they both have always had love and support which was so good for them both.
Quentin was a very dear friend for a few shining weeks. The thing was when I joined SO the Asho Day SO recruiter had been RPFed for letting Fdn get me and AO was pissed because they thought they had me on board and Quentin could see the invisible ripples of back biting against me that had formed in certain areas. Who does she think she is, that plant who only read DSMSH we will crush her. Quentin was there for me.In laughter, put up with my tears with sec checking that started even then but most important gave me a hand to hold and a heart as big as the universe. What happened to him was horrible and so I hear all you post regarding your anger.
I guess I try to love now, because my time is getting shorter and Love is my flame,but I do not run around with rose colored glasses on when it comes to any part of cos. I walked through the fire too.Nearly did not make it out.Be Well,and post on.Love, Ann.

Dear Peter and Espiando, I feel a bit alone, as I don’t recognize myself in MS2, they are too frozen square in their position, in another hand I have seen auditing working and I value it. And basic ideas of scientology still attract me. It is possible that Hubbard betrayed his own words. Some writing were in opposition with the basic tenant. Like all this ethics policies which were made basic law. Peter, you know what I mean as you know “anatomy of thought” and all data series.
Now about the sad destiny of Hubbard, his family and many scientologists, it just show that like any utopia it can’t finally become real and is perverted.
Scientologists are no different than communists for exemple.
Scientologist quote Hubbard, communists quote Lenine. But maybe it’s the destiny of cult were the word of the guru is not negotiable. That’s the problem of KSW, in order to have a stable data, it’s dictatorship. Data cannot be discussed nor compared, only one man can say if it’s right or wrong.
But it also occured on many authoritarian field, were people try to dictate to other many time to protect “vested interest”.

Hubbard on his early writing opposed any autoritarism and in the name of workability of the tech, he went to ultimate autoritarism. And now, they “Hip hip…!” That was a lot to pay to have the right to blow some charge.
But that was also a kind of a game. Maybe you don’t feel as release without the whole shit around, org board and all. Getting sessions in the independant field you miss to some degree the whole circus.
With the death of Hubbard, the game was over to some degree. But it was frozen into glycol, and there was RTC, IAS..

Ciao guys wish you a nice 2016…

The Cowardly Lion received a medal, as in a gallantry award….

Well, Arthur’s now an artist who’s occasionally being given lip service by the cult. The same drone who was assigned to keep Mary Sue silent and away from the public eye over the last years of her life is assigned to him to keep him quiet and away from the public eye. Suzette escaped, married, and is living a happy life. It’s only Diana that’s still imprisoned by the cult, kept in useless jobs and away from any potential influence she might have to pull off a coup d’etat. She’s pretty much the only one capable of doing it, but Miscavige is making sure she can’t get to step one.

If FG wants to understand my anger, all he has to do is look at what happened to a couple of members of my tribe, John McMaster and Quentin Hubbard, destroyed by LRH for being gay. That’s what he promised in Science of Survival, after all. You’d have anger against him if you were gay and knew what he wrote too.

Homophobia is a big hot button with the Indies. I got into it with Theo Gump over at Ortega’s when I asked him if he believed in the Tone Scale exactly as written in SoS. He fell into that trap and said yes, so I called him a homophobe who promoted concentration camps and extermination of LGBTs. He attempted to finesse around it, badly, and would go out of his way to never respond to me again. When I asked Dani Lemberger about the “eliminate, quietly and without sorrow” thing, he bent over backward to show how welcoming Dror Center was to people of all sexualities (he sounded very sincere about it, so I believed him). I still want to ask Max Hauri about that issue, since I want to know Ron’s Orgs’ position on this (CBR said a thing or two that makes me wonder how homophobic he was).

Vannier’s thing with the psychs is the same thing that turned me against Steve Hall. When Hall put up his websites, he stuck things in there about the Ebil Psychs, and that’s when it became clear to me that I had to expand my battle against Scientology to include the Indies. They weren’t going to change anything out of their sheer desire to show how much they followed KSW, unlike Miscavige.

FG probably doesn’t know that there have been at least two SP Declares written about Miscavige, one by Jon Atack in 1986. They’re on the Net and can be found easily. Those SP Declares didn’t work. Why would another one?

It’s a shame that scnafrica shut everything down, Peter. Near the end, he/she/it was allowing criticism of Hubbard, a lot of it from you. The blog was on the verge of evolving like Marty’s and Mike’s. There would have been no consequences to opening up the discussion beyond a couple of bitchy posts from Ronnie Bell and Robin Remoteviewed about “betraying Hubbard”. I wish scnafrica could have continued, because the blog was a terrific resource about a geographical area of Scientology that was generally uncovered. C’est la vie.