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		By: Hiatus57		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2014 22:33:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Kool Aid Brigade I meant, maybe I should re do the SH   LOL]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kool Aid Brigade I meant, maybe I should re do the SH   LOL</p>
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		By: Hiatus57		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2014 22:33:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[According to the kool Aid briage the GAT II training is&quot; WOW 10 TIMES FASTER&quot;

So When I did the Student Hat it was a two course of Fdn Hours each week which was evenings and weekends times 2

Total of  33 hours this means they do the course in 3.3 hours?

The tapes are longer than that and these pricks have to listen to them twice.

As usual the sums do not add up so they still do not know how to study as basic arithmetic is still out.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to the kool Aid briage the GAT II training is&#8221; WOW 10 TIMES FASTER&#8221;</p>
<p>So When I did the Student Hat it was a two course of Fdn Hours each week which was evenings and weekends times 2</p>
<p>Total of  33 hours this means they do the course in 3.3 hours?</p>
<p>The tapes are longer than that and these pricks have to listen to them twice.</p>
<p>As usual the sums do not add up so they still do not know how to study as basic arithmetic is still out.</p>
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		By: whostolemycog		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2014 16:29:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Score after the first round:

Illusionist Warriors 1, Fundraise 0]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Score after the first round:</p>
<p>Illusionist Warriors 1, Fundraise 0</p>
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		By: whostolemycog		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2014 16:24:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;She is entering this into the annual Shermanspeak Writer’s of The Future competition in the category of most cliches in a single paragraph.&quot;

I would like to obtain tickets to the awards dinner.  Can you hook me up?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;She is entering this into the annual Shermanspeak Writer’s of The Future competition in the category of most cliches in a single paragraph.&#8221;</p>
<p>I would like to obtain tickets to the awards dinner.  Can you hook me up?</p>
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		By: Odd Thomas		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2014 20:58:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-most-deluded-valley-competition/#comment-57068&quot;&gt;Aquamarine&lt;/a&gt;.

Aquamarine -I feel your pain, but I believe Mike and others are quite right. Darkness and empty rooms followed the achievement of Ideal status in Pasadena and nothing changed. The delusions simply moved from one room to another, but never left.

I believe what drives the kool-aid drinkers is something much deeper than new tables and chairs. Scientology registers with beings at a fundamental level. Somewhere beyond hope or need of change and continues to resonate with them as long as there is some aspect of the original subject still remaining - even if it&#039;s just symbols. It takes something this fundamental to keep Reality at bay; to keep people believing when all objects of that belief have been proved false.

No, even the Valley Org reduced to ashes and burning embers will still enthrall some. 

Something of equal import has to happen to them to offset their original passion or love for the subject. Something that proves to them that Scientology - and all its potential - is really dead within that Church. Then their eyes will open, an empty hollow feeling will grow in the pit of their stomachs and Reality will collide with their delusions, shattering them for good.

Odd]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-most-deluded-valley-competition/#comment-57068">Aquamarine</a>.</p>
<p>Aquamarine -I feel your pain, but I believe Mike and others are quite right. Darkness and empty rooms followed the achievement of Ideal status in Pasadena and nothing changed. The delusions simply moved from one room to another, but never left.</p>
<p>I believe what drives the kool-aid drinkers is something much deeper than new tables and chairs. Scientology registers with beings at a fundamental level. Somewhere beyond hope or need of change and continues to resonate with them as long as there is some aspect of the original subject still remaining &#8211; even if it&#8217;s just symbols. It takes something this fundamental to keep Reality at bay; to keep people believing when all objects of that belief have been proved false.</p>
<p>No, even the Valley Org reduced to ashes and burning embers will still enthrall some. </p>
<p>Something of equal import has to happen to them to offset their original passion or love for the subject. Something that proves to them that Scientology &#8211; and all its potential &#8211; is really dead within that Church. Then their eyes will open, an empty hollow feeling will grow in the pit of their stomachs and Reality will collide with their delusions, shattering them for good.</p>
<p>Odd</p>
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		By: Aquamarine		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2014 20:46:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[And I just thought of another Morgue - Buffalo, which has also apparently learned nothing. They&#039;re probably blaming themselves too.  

I keep injecting what are essentially my own explanations and excuses into this situation because Its tough for me to confront how beaten down these people are, but I have to stop that.  The answer is not complicated.  They really are very far down, that&#039;s all.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And I just thought of another Morgue &#8211; Buffalo, which has also apparently learned nothing. They&#8217;re probably blaming themselves too.  </p>
<p>I keep injecting what are essentially my own explanations and excuses into this situation because Its tough for me to confront how beaten down these people are, but I have to stop that.  The answer is not complicated.  They really are very far down, that&#8217;s all.</p>
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		By: Aquamarine		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-most-deluded-valley-competition/#comment-57107</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2014 20:18:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-most-deluded-valley-competition/#comment-57072&quot;&gt;Mike Rinder&lt;/a&gt;.

I hear you, Mike.  And so has the Ideal Morgue in my area.  Oh, well...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-most-deluded-valley-competition/#comment-57072">Mike Rinder</a>.</p>
<p>I hear you, Mike.  And so has the Ideal Morgue in my area.  Oh, well&#8230;</p>
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		By: Out4Long		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-most-deluded-valley-competition/#comment-57103</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2014 19:41:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-most-deluded-valley-competition/#comment-57072&quot;&gt;Mike Rinder&lt;/a&gt;.

True.  I doubt that Craig &#038; Sally learned anything from the Pas Org that is down the hill from where they live...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-most-deluded-valley-competition/#comment-57072">Mike Rinder</a>.</p>
<p>True.  I doubt that Craig &amp; Sally learned anything from the Pas Org that is down the hill from where they live&#8230;</p>
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		By: Out4long		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Out4long]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2014 15:52:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-most-deluded-valley-competition/#comment-57064&quot;&gt;Aquamarine&lt;/a&gt;.

Aquamarine, I feel the same.  I don&#039;t EVER allow my name to appear alongside anything to do with Scn on the internet.  It could be detrimental financially to me to be linked with that insanity.  I let the &quot;church&quot; know about 10 years ago how I felt about the scam.  I also communicated to most of the Scn&#039;ers I was then in contact with my position.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-most-deluded-valley-competition/#comment-57064">Aquamarine</a>.</p>
<p>Aquamarine, I feel the same.  I don&#8217;t EVER allow my name to appear alongside anything to do with Scn on the internet.  It could be detrimental financially to me to be linked with that insanity.  I let the &#8220;church&#8221; know about 10 years ago how I felt about the scam.  I also communicated to most of the Scn&#8217;ers I was then in contact with my position.</p>
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		By: Mike Rinder		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2014 13:22:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-most-deluded-valley-competition/#comment-57068&quot;&gt;Aquamarine&lt;/a&gt;.

Hmmm...

Unfortunately, just down the road, the Pasadena Illusionists have sort of disproven this theory.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-most-deluded-valley-competition/#comment-57068">Aquamarine</a>.</p>
<p>Hmmm&#8230;</p>
<p>Unfortunately, just down the road, the Pasadena Illusionists have sort of disproven this theory.</p>
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