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		By: mwesten		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Apr 2023 04:47:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-ot-bubble-miscavige-movie-thon/#comment-519835&quot;&gt;xTeamXenu75to03chuckbeatty&lt;/a&gt;.

Ken Ogger (The Pilot) compiled a DIY book of &quot;self clearing&quot; processes outside of the CoS. I can&#039;t speak for their efficacy but he would later drown himself in a swimming pool...which arguably isn&#039;t the best advert.

He also claimed that Scientology could be reduced to the processes themselves and that auditors (as guides) could serve those who seek assistance, who struggle, get stuck or lack discipline. Kinda like the ashram gurus in India.

With anti-establishment sentiment increasing in the west, arguably more people now than ever are open to ideas such as shadow governments, of living in a &quot;matrix&quot;, that reality is not quite what it seems. Scientology (including the original OT8 student briefing) could be a religion for the age. Instead it&#039;s just an aging, exorbitantly-priced therapy club for uncritical status chasers and spiritual hall monitors.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-ot-bubble-miscavige-movie-thon/#comment-519835">xTeamXenu75to03chuckbeatty</a>.</p>
<p>Ken Ogger (The Pilot) compiled a DIY book of &#8220;self clearing&#8221; processes outside of the CoS. I can&#8217;t speak for their efficacy but he would later drown himself in a swimming pool&#8230;which arguably isn&#8217;t the best advert.</p>
<p>He also claimed that Scientology could be reduced to the processes themselves and that auditors (as guides) could serve those who seek assistance, who struggle, get stuck or lack discipline. Kinda like the ashram gurus in India.</p>
<p>With anti-establishment sentiment increasing in the west, arguably more people now than ever are open to ideas such as shadow governments, of living in a &#8220;matrix&#8221;, that reality is not quite what it seems. Scientology (including the original OT8 student briefing) could be a religion for the age. Instead it&#8217;s just an aging, exorbitantly-priced therapy club for uncritical status chasers and spiritual hall monitors.</p>
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		By: xTeamXenu75to03chuckbeatty		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Apr 2023 20:12:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-ot-bubble-miscavige-movie-thon/#comment-519693&quot;&gt;mwesten&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks.   

Question:  Remember how one of the Tech Films, has the actor jumping out of bed after reading &quot;Evolution of a Science&quot; or it might be &quot;History of Dianetics&quot; one of the two books pre DMSMH, it was a tech film and the point was just reading the &quot;tech&quot; allowed this guy to heal himself of his engram.

So, my question always was, how come Scientology doesn&#039;t do the same, and just have a nice long single book of ALL of the commands for all of the Scientology processes from bottom to top.   They do have the Subject Vol 3 for the 1991 red vols, and Subject Vol 3 has all the commands from the bottom up through NED aka &quot;Clear.&quot;   They don&#039;t have the next upper half of the Bridge&#039;s commands available, but there is a &quot;squirrel&quot; &quot;OT Volume&quot; red volume online with most of the rest of the Bridge commands though.

Do you think someone could just &quot;solo&quot; the whole Bridge, by reading and doing all the commands?   Just skip doing it with someone else, just solo the whole thing?

And skip the meter also.  Seeing as so many other religions and like you say the Buddhists, have all sorts of stuff they do, and they do most of it &#039;solo&quot; with no folder workseets upkeeping, and no meter.

it&#039;d be more in keeping with the spiritual history of the world to just take all the Hubbard commands, and do them solo, and not even keep worksheets, etc, etc,

HEADLINE:

Do Solo Scientology/Here Are The Commands

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there was the book &quot;Self Analysis&quot; so why not &quot;Solo Scientology If You Want To Do It Yourself&quot; 

Nickname DIY Scientology On Yourself]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-ot-bubble-miscavige-movie-thon/#comment-519693">mwesten</a>.</p>
<p>Thanks.   </p>
<p>Question:  Remember how one of the Tech Films, has the actor jumping out of bed after reading &#8220;Evolution of a Science&#8221; or it might be &#8220;History of Dianetics&#8221; one of the two books pre DMSMH, it was a tech film and the point was just reading the &#8220;tech&#8221; allowed this guy to heal himself of his engram.</p>
<p>So, my question always was, how come Scientology doesn&#8217;t do the same, and just have a nice long single book of ALL of the commands for all of the Scientology processes from bottom to top.   They do have the Subject Vol 3 for the 1991 red vols, and Subject Vol 3 has all the commands from the bottom up through NED aka &#8220;Clear.&#8221;   They don&#8217;t have the next upper half of the Bridge&#8217;s commands available, but there is a &#8220;squirrel&#8221; &#8220;OT Volume&#8221; red volume online with most of the rest of the Bridge commands though.</p>
<p>Do you think someone could just &#8220;solo&#8221; the whole Bridge, by reading and doing all the commands?   Just skip doing it with someone else, just solo the whole thing?</p>
<p>And skip the meter also.  Seeing as so many other religions and like you say the Buddhists, have all sorts of stuff they do, and they do most of it &#8216;solo&#8221; with no folder workseets upkeeping, and no meter.</p>
<p>it&#8217;d be more in keeping with the spiritual history of the world to just take all the Hubbard commands, and do them solo, and not even keep worksheets, etc, etc,</p>
<p>HEADLINE:</p>
<p>Do Solo Scientology/Here Are The Commands</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;</p>
<p>there was the book &#8220;Self Analysis&#8221; so why not &#8220;Solo Scientology If You Want To Do It Yourself&#8221; </p>
<p>Nickname DIY Scientology On Yourself</p>
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		By: RoseMarie		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Apr 2023 11:28:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[How delusional can a group become?  Well if you’re lied to and deceived I guess one can become hypnotized by the desire for life to be what the lies describe Ay?  I’ve been reading about cults and the followers have to be de hypnotized.  That’s why they put out these continuous false statements to keep the delusions alive.  Must be addictive for some?  The lies are so apparent now to most of us.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How delusional can a group become?  Well if you’re lied to and deceived I guess one can become hypnotized by the desire for life to be what the lies describe Ay?  I’ve been reading about cults and the followers have to be de hypnotized.  That’s why they put out these continuous false statements to keep the delusions alive.  Must be addictive for some?  The lies are so apparent now to most of us.</p>
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		By: mwesten		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Apr 2023 04:18:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-ot-bubble-miscavige-movie-thon/#comment-519618&quot;&gt;xTeamXenu75to03chuckbeatty&lt;/a&gt;.

Quackery is okay. Buddhists have their quackery too. They all do. Some of the rituals I&#039;ve observed in Asia, for example, are just as kooky - if not more so - than anything in scientology. 

I actually don&#039;t think Scientology&#039;s problem is its upper level teaching, per se.  In fact, it may be its USP in an era with (supposedly) more frequent military UFO encounters and noted physicists openly discussing simulation universes. 

How does a Sri Lankan tea picker or a penniless whore go up the Bridge? That is the ultimate question. And that is the problem inherent in scientology as a religious system. How can it unite the masses and as-is the &quot;simulation&quot; when only a miniscule % of people have the time and money to actually deliver/receive/do it? 

It reminds me of the Vietnamese caodaists, whose rituals require so many hours of the day, every day, that barely anyone (other than the elderly/retired) has the time to worship. And so it&#039;s dying out.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-ot-bubble-miscavige-movie-thon/#comment-519618">xTeamXenu75to03chuckbeatty</a>.</p>
<p>Quackery is okay. Buddhists have their quackery too. They all do. Some of the rituals I&#8217;ve observed in Asia, for example, are just as kooky &#8211; if not more so &#8211; than anything in scientology. </p>
<p>I actually don&#8217;t think Scientology&#8217;s problem is its upper level teaching, per se.  In fact, it may be its USP in an era with (supposedly) more frequent military UFO encounters and noted physicists openly discussing simulation universes. </p>
<p>How does a Sri Lankan tea picker or a penniless whore go up the Bridge? That is the ultimate question. And that is the problem inherent in scientology as a religious system. How can it unite the masses and as-is the &#8220;simulation&#8221; when only a miniscule % of people have the time and money to actually deliver/receive/do it? </p>
<p>It reminds me of the Vietnamese caodaists, whose rituals require so many hours of the day, every day, that barely anyone (other than the elderly/retired) has the time to worship. And so it&#8217;s dying out.</p>
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		By: xTeamXenu75to03chuckbeatty		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Apr 2023 20:37:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-ot-bubble-miscavige-movie-thon/#comment-519418&quot;&gt;mwesten&lt;/a&gt;.

Hubbard&#039;s full game for giving out Scientology soul improvement teachings and practices, is the problem.

There ought be a book that neutrally simplifies Scientology theory and practices, NOT in Hubbard&#039;s terms.   

I think the simplest neutral way to define Scientology is call it:

soul memories alleviation pseudo-therapy and exorcism practices

If you cut just the soul memories pseudo-therapy and exorcism practice steps OUT of Scientology, and examined only that, that to me is Scientology.

All the other Hubbard rules and marketing and hoopla is just that.   Rules and marketing and hoopla, all to be skipped.

Once you separate to just discuss the pseudo-therapy and exorcism practices, then you see it&#039;s pretty much all quackery, or &quot;rubbish&quot; as John Sweeney calls it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-ot-bubble-miscavige-movie-thon/#comment-519418">mwesten</a>.</p>
<p>Hubbard&#8217;s full game for giving out Scientology soul improvement teachings and practices, is the problem.</p>
<p>There ought be a book that neutrally simplifies Scientology theory and practices, NOT in Hubbard&#8217;s terms.   </p>
<p>I think the simplest neutral way to define Scientology is call it:</p>
<p>soul memories alleviation pseudo-therapy and exorcism practices</p>
<p>If you cut just the soul memories pseudo-therapy and exorcism practice steps OUT of Scientology, and examined only that, that to me is Scientology.</p>
<p>All the other Hubbard rules and marketing and hoopla is just that.   Rules and marketing and hoopla, all to be skipped.</p>
<p>Once you separate to just discuss the pseudo-therapy and exorcism practices, then you see it&#8217;s pretty much all quackery, or &#8220;rubbish&#8221; as John Sweeney calls it.</p>
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		By: xTeamXenu75to03chuckbeatty		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[xTeamXenu75to03chuckbeatty]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Apr 2023 20:28:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-ot-bubble-miscavige-movie-thon/#comment-519340&quot;&gt;Joe Pendleton&lt;/a&gt;.

Joe,

I joined for the content of the spiritual practices, and for sure the effectiveness of the practises, meaning does one gain supernatural soul powers through doing the spiritual teachings or practices, yes or no.

Not in 1970 when the hoopla got crowds who are poised for non drug spiritual soul supernatural gaining, for me, the non drug route of Scientology&#039;s supernatural teachings and practises is a key factor for me choosing them.

Just because some missions were excellent in keeping happily engaged followers does NOT mean they gained the promised &quot;OT&quot; soul supernatural powers.

Neither then, now, or in the future, will Scientology teachings or practises result in supernatural soul improvement or powers.

So to me, that is primary.

Secondary are the spurts of membership numbers, and arguing were the style of running the orgs and missions and groups and field auditors more lenient era operation, for sure in the right time in the zeitgeist, Scientology sort of was a &quot;well placed&quot; non drug option for supposed soul enlightenment souls powers supernatural gaining stuff.

But a long term RTC staffer and later Marketing person, Shelly Brit, noted essentially &quot;You can&#039;t sell Scientology now.&quot;

It is like the internet has let the Scientology practises cat out of the bag, the Xenu OT 3 thru 7 exorcism of body-thetans cat is out of the bag.

No one&#039;s ever shown and cannot show supernatural abilities, so the false soul improvement promises don&#039;t bite anymore.

--------------------------

I beg to differ, it just is too important the tying of Xenu and his mass murdering of humanoids brought here from other planets, and their spirits then implanted with the R6 implants, all those spirits today infesting all humans on earth, for which Scientology officially requires its orthodox members to do the five exorcism levels OT 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7, a whole lot of spiritual practice are those five exorcism steps of final upper Scientology&#039;s path of spiritual improvement.   

Xenu and body-thetans give soul theory behind upper Scientology practices.

Scientology is soul memory alleviation by way of the lower levels pseudo-therapy and then the upper levels exorcism levels, both levels supposedly peel off debilitating soul memories that once eliminated unleash our basic soul powers we&#039;ve clamped down.

Explaining the Xenu and OT 3 exorcism theory is vital to include in fully defining &quot;What Is Scientology?&quot;   

Know before you go.   I sure would have liked to know what the OT levels were about, when I joined, and sure would like to know the spiritual nuts and bolts simplicity of Scientology&#039;s five exorcism steps today.

Xenu is pretty handy to explain in simple terms, to understand why the OT 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7 exorcism is even on the official Scientology menu still today.

 Soul memories alleviation, through the lower pseudo-therapy, and the upper exorcism procedures, that is what Scientology is.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-ot-bubble-miscavige-movie-thon/#comment-519340">Joe Pendleton</a>.</p>
<p>Joe,</p>
<p>I joined for the content of the spiritual practices, and for sure the effectiveness of the practises, meaning does one gain supernatural soul powers through doing the spiritual teachings or practices, yes or no.</p>
<p>Not in 1970 when the hoopla got crowds who are poised for non drug spiritual soul supernatural gaining, for me, the non drug route of Scientology&#8217;s supernatural teachings and practises is a key factor for me choosing them.</p>
<p>Just because some missions were excellent in keeping happily engaged followers does NOT mean they gained the promised &#8220;OT&#8221; soul supernatural powers.</p>
<p>Neither then, now, or in the future, will Scientology teachings or practises result in supernatural soul improvement or powers.</p>
<p>So to me, that is primary.</p>
<p>Secondary are the spurts of membership numbers, and arguing were the style of running the orgs and missions and groups and field auditors more lenient era operation, for sure in the right time in the zeitgeist, Scientology sort of was a &#8220;well placed&#8221; non drug option for supposed soul enlightenment souls powers supernatural gaining stuff.</p>
<p>But a long term RTC staffer and later Marketing person, Shelly Brit, noted essentially &#8220;You can&#8217;t sell Scientology now.&#8221;</p>
<p>It is like the internet has let the Scientology practises cat out of the bag, the Xenu OT 3 thru 7 exorcism of body-thetans cat is out of the bag.</p>
<p>No one&#8217;s ever shown and cannot show supernatural abilities, so the false soul improvement promises don&#8217;t bite anymore.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>I beg to differ, it just is too important the tying of Xenu and his mass murdering of humanoids brought here from other planets, and their spirits then implanted with the R6 implants, all those spirits today infesting all humans on earth, for which Scientology officially requires its orthodox members to do the five exorcism levels OT 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7, a whole lot of spiritual practice are those five exorcism steps of final upper Scientology&#8217;s path of spiritual improvement.   </p>
<p>Xenu and body-thetans give soul theory behind upper Scientology practices.</p>
<p>Scientology is soul memory alleviation by way of the lower levels pseudo-therapy and then the upper levels exorcism levels, both levels supposedly peel off debilitating soul memories that once eliminated unleash our basic soul powers we&#8217;ve clamped down.</p>
<p>Explaining the Xenu and OT 3 exorcism theory is vital to include in fully defining &#8220;What Is Scientology?&#8221;   </p>
<p>Know before you go.   I sure would have liked to know what the OT levels were about, when I joined, and sure would like to know the spiritual nuts and bolts simplicity of Scientology&#8217;s five exorcism steps today.</p>
<p>Xenu is pretty handy to explain in simple terms, to understand why the OT 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7 exorcism is even on the official Scientology menu still today.</p>
<p> Soul memories alleviation, through the lower pseudo-therapy, and the upper exorcism procedures, that is what Scientology is.</p>
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		By: Roland RoundFellow		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Apr 2023 06:00:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-ot-bubble-miscavige-movie-thon/#comment-519247&quot;&gt;Mary quite contrary&lt;/a&gt;.

Sorry. But I must disagree with your comments 100%.

They are simply not true.]]></description>
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<p>Sorry. But I must disagree with your comments 100%.</p>
<p>They are simply not true.</p>
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		By: mwesten		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Apr 2023 04:21:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-ot-bubble-miscavige-movie-thon/#comment-519236&quot;&gt;xTeamXenu75to03chuckbeatty&lt;/a&gt;.

If Hub wanted thetans to as-as the physical universe then he would have made his techniques accessible to the Sri Lankan tea picker, the Laotian rice farmer, the malnourished Indian street scavenger, and the toothless whores of South London.

He didn&#039;t. 

Judge people by their actions, he told us. His religion was never meant for the masses (if everyone is special, no one is). It was meant for him...and people like him. Middle-class nerds who were bullied in their youth.]]></description>
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<p>If Hub wanted thetans to as-as the physical universe then he would have made his techniques accessible to the Sri Lankan tea picker, the Laotian rice farmer, the malnourished Indian street scavenger, and the toothless whores of South London.</p>
<p>He didn&#8217;t. </p>
<p>Judge people by their actions, he told us. His religion was never meant for the masses (if everyone is special, no one is). It was meant for him&#8230;and people like him. Middle-class nerds who were bullied in their youth.</p>
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		By: GL		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Apr 2023 23:48:10 +0000</pubDate>
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&quot;I woke up this morning and had to bolt to the toilet. Thank you CoB for filling me full of shit last night with your wisdom.&quot;]]></description>
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<p>&#8220;I woke up this morning and had to bolt to the toilet. Thank you CoB for filling me full of shit last night with your wisdom.&#8221;</p>
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		By: Joe Pendleton		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Apr 2023 22:07:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-ot-bubble-miscavige-movie-thon/#comment-519247&quot;&gt;Mary quite contrary&lt;/a&gt;.

Not easy at all. Actually very difficult to come to that conclusion . Yes, STUPID (look up the word), or maybe just better said as INCREDIBLY IGNORANT, REFUSING TO SEE WHAT IS RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU.

Caused by cult membership, brainwashing, peer pressure , fear of losing jobs, friends and family, etc?

No argument .

But remember, many of us (thousands) did not STAY ignorant and left.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-ot-bubble-miscavige-movie-thon/#comment-519247">Mary quite contrary</a>.</p>
<p>Not easy at all. Actually very difficult to come to that conclusion . Yes, STUPID (look up the word), or maybe just better said as INCREDIBLY IGNORANT, REFUSING TO SEE WHAT IS RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU.</p>
<p>Caused by cult membership, brainwashing, peer pressure , fear of losing jobs, friends and family, etc?</p>
<p>No argument .</p>
<p>But remember, many of us (thousands) did not STAY ignorant and left.</p>
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