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		By: LoosingMyReligion		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-pitch-give-us-your-money-because-thats-what-lrh-did/#comment-567104</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[LoosingMyReligion]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Feb 2024 16:35:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-pitch-give-us-your-money-because-thats-what-lrh-did/#comment-567018&quot;&gt;Aquamarine&lt;/a&gt;.

Ah, I forgot one thing. Another aspect which perhaps has been implanted even deeper, so much so that it cannot be removed, is the total unwavering &quot;certainty&quot; of knowing they are doing right because hubbard told them so. This factor eliminates any capacity for judgment and critical thinking. One sees everything, absolutely everything, through these filters of total &quot;certainty. Their ability to see things has been &quot;hacked&quot; and is run by and hidden program. Every responce to external stimule must fit with the program.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-pitch-give-us-your-money-because-thats-what-lrh-did/#comment-567018">Aquamarine</a>.</p>
<p>Ah, I forgot one thing. Another aspect which perhaps has been implanted even deeper, so much so that it cannot be removed, is the total unwavering &#8220;certainty&#8221; of knowing they are doing right because hubbard told them so. This factor eliminates any capacity for judgment and critical thinking. One sees everything, absolutely everything, through these filters of total &#8220;certainty. Their ability to see things has been &#8220;hacked&#8221; and is run by and hidden program. Every responce to external stimule must fit with the program.</p>
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		By: LoosingMyReligion		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[LoosingMyReligion]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Feb 2024 15:46:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-pitch-give-us-your-money-because-thats-what-lrh-did/#comment-567018&quot;&gt;Aquamarine&lt;/a&gt;.

Aqua,  I have read and understood what you mean well. First of all, I agree that the vast majority (although not all, as there are some big tricksters) are good people. They hope for something and want to help.

However, it is necessary to understand a fundamental aspect in order to see things in a free and coherent way. They have been indoctrinated for years and years with specific information welded into their subconscious with ethics and a sense of guilt.

For example: concepts like going on the bridge at all costs and contributing to clear the planet have been repeatedly implanted within them as the ultimate and greatest good. If you ask them what is truly the most important thing, they will tell you this. Not family, friends, or even your own life unless they are aligned with the greatest good. Cleverly, sure you remember, the concept of &#039;morality&#039; has been diminished to be replaced with ethics. Respect for family, friends, and others, and all our behaviors in relation to them are seen as simple &#039;morality&#039; unless they contribute. If they hinder you from doing that, they are all &quot;dev-t&quot; or even SP valences.

Once inside this path, manipulation continues with carrots and false promises, but unfortunately, they want to believe it, and for many accepting that they have been fooled would be literally like dying. Scn does not operate on the spirit, it operates on the ego.

So when you see them and they don&#039;t greet you or you wonder why they are so gullible, well, Ihope this might help you.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-pitch-give-us-your-money-because-thats-what-lrh-did/#comment-567018">Aquamarine</a>.</p>
<p>Aqua,  I have read and understood what you mean well. First of all, I agree that the vast majority (although not all, as there are some big tricksters) are good people. They hope for something and want to help.</p>
<p>However, it is necessary to understand a fundamental aspect in order to see things in a free and coherent way. They have been indoctrinated for years and years with specific information welded into their subconscious with ethics and a sense of guilt.</p>
<p>For example: concepts like going on the bridge at all costs and contributing to clear the planet have been repeatedly implanted within them as the ultimate and greatest good. If you ask them what is truly the most important thing, they will tell you this. Not family, friends, or even your own life unless they are aligned with the greatest good. Cleverly, sure you remember, the concept of &#8216;morality&#8217; has been diminished to be replaced with ethics. Respect for family, friends, and others, and all our behaviors in relation to them are seen as simple &#8216;morality&#8217; unless they contribute. If they hinder you from doing that, they are all &#8220;dev-t&#8221; or even SP valences.</p>
<p>Once inside this path, manipulation continues with carrots and false promises, but unfortunately, they want to believe it, and for many accepting that they have been fooled would be literally like dying. Scn does not operate on the spirit, it operates on the ego.</p>
<p>So when you see them and they don&#8217;t greet you or you wonder why they are so gullible, well, Ihope this might help you.</p>
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		By: Yawn		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Yawn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Feb 2024 04:45:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[What a lying slime ball.]]></description>
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		By: Aquamarine		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Aquamarine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Feb 2024 22:31:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-pitch-give-us-your-money-because-thats-what-lrh-did/#comment-566976&quot;&gt;LoosingMyReligion&lt;/a&gt;.

And yet the remaining skeleton Class V org staff cling on, in vain hope.  

Sometimes I feel compassion for them.  The staff I know - about 20 or so people at my former org and of another nearby org - who are still clinging on  have devoted their entire adult lives to Scientology. Realizing its all been a waste would have to be a devastating fact to confront.  They are good people, all of them.  They have, or had, strong purposes to help.  They liked helping; one could see they enjoyed it.  Of course they don&#039;t speak to me any more; they&#039;re not allowed, even though I haven&#039;t been formally declared with goldenrod.  No matter, I am most certainly deadfiled and &quot;known&quot; to be a dangerous SP, someone with whom they are forbidden to communicate!  And that&#039;s OK.  I understand the reasons.   Its been 12 years now since I&#039;ve been out.  They are good people.  They were good people and I&#039;m sure they still are.   They had a strong purpose to help.  Valuable quality, valuable people.  And here they  still are today only instead of auditing and training people they&#039;re doing Ideal Org Fundraising, busy planning one fundraiser afer another, scamming endless money for the coffers of the IAS.  Being good people, I suppose they MUST believe  the delusion that what they&#039;re doing is worthwhile and helping humanity.  Its extremely sad, the waste of it all.  The waste of money, certainly, but most of all, most serious of all, the exploitation of, individually and collectively,  these folks&#039;  honest and pure desire to help, to make a difference, and the huge waste of their efforts and time.   Its just very sad, that&#039;s all, and sometimes I feel strong compassion for their plight, and the utter waste of it all.

On the other hand (Rant Alert)  there are times when I&#039;m totally exasperated and resentful of them, and am filled with contempt for them!  (Look, I know this is not the right attitude, not a healthy emotion, but I&#039;m being candid with you so please deal with it, OK?)

I don&#039;t resent or feel exasperated or contemptuous at times  because they won&#039;t speak to me, no!  THAT I understand. 

 No, its  because to date I have never been able to understand how, precisely HOW  these people, THESE STAFF MEMBERS AND FORMER FRIENDS that I knew can be so fucking stupid?  So blinD?  They&#039;re NOT criminals!  I KNOW them!  Their purposes are GOOD purposes.  OK, fine, so how is it that year after year after year of doing the same unworkable stuff, of getting NO product (as defined by LRH), of visible SHRINKING of their orgs...I could go on but you get the idea...how  can they NOT see? How can they UNKNOWINGLY continue to do the unworkable?  No,  Its impossible.  They have to know.  They HAVE to have seen this, YEARS ago.  And having seen it, HOW can they justify carrying on with all programs, year after year, that continue to prove fruitless?  HOW...DO...THEY...DO IT!!!!!!!!!!!! ( Putting some exCLAM tech in there for emphasis.)  Anyway, on such days when this question predominates and swamps my better nature (and today is one of those days) then I&#039;m filled with irritation, impatience and contempt  for them for a while, because I truly do NOT understand how its possible to not see what&#039;s right in front of them...Ok, I&#039;ll stop.  Fortunately the negative feelings don&#039;t last very long and I go back into compassion mode.  They are good people.  They mean well; I know they do.  End of rant.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-pitch-give-us-your-money-because-thats-what-lrh-did/#comment-566976">LoosingMyReligion</a>.</p>
<p>And yet the remaining skeleton Class V org staff cling on, in vain hope.  </p>
<p>Sometimes I feel compassion for them.  The staff I know &#8211; about 20 or so people at my former org and of another nearby org &#8211; who are still clinging on  have devoted their entire adult lives to Scientology. Realizing its all been a waste would have to be a devastating fact to confront.  They are good people, all of them.  They have, or had, strong purposes to help.  They liked helping; one could see they enjoyed it.  Of course they don&#8217;t speak to me any more; they&#8217;re not allowed, even though I haven&#8217;t been formally declared with goldenrod.  No matter, I am most certainly deadfiled and &#8220;known&#8221; to be a dangerous SP, someone with whom they are forbidden to communicate!  And that&#8217;s OK.  I understand the reasons.   Its been 12 years now since I&#8217;ve been out.  They are good people.  They were good people and I&#8217;m sure they still are.   They had a strong purpose to help.  Valuable quality, valuable people.  And here they  still are today only instead of auditing and training people they&#8217;re doing Ideal Org Fundraising, busy planning one fundraiser afer another, scamming endless money for the coffers of the IAS.  Being good people, I suppose they MUST believe  the delusion that what they&#8217;re doing is worthwhile and helping humanity.  Its extremely sad, the waste of it all.  The waste of money, certainly, but most of all, most serious of all, the exploitation of, individually and collectively,  these folks&#8217;  honest and pure desire to help, to make a difference, and the huge waste of their efforts and time.   Its just very sad, that&#8217;s all, and sometimes I feel strong compassion for their plight, and the utter waste of it all.</p>
<p>On the other hand (Rant Alert)  there are times when I&#8217;m totally exasperated and resentful of them, and am filled with contempt for them!  (Look, I know this is not the right attitude, not a healthy emotion, but I&#8217;m being candid with you so please deal with it, OK?)</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t resent or feel exasperated or contemptuous at times  because they won&#8217;t speak to me, no!  THAT I understand. </p>
<p> No, its  because to date I have never been able to understand how, precisely HOW  these people, THESE STAFF MEMBERS AND FORMER FRIENDS that I knew can be so fucking stupid?  So blinD?  They&#8217;re NOT criminals!  I KNOW them!  Their purposes are GOOD purposes.  OK, fine, so how is it that year after year after year of doing the same unworkable stuff, of getting NO product (as defined by LRH), of visible SHRINKING of their orgs&#8230;I could go on but you get the idea&#8230;how  can they NOT see? How can they UNKNOWINGLY continue to do the unworkable?  No,  Its impossible.  They have to know.  They HAVE to have seen this, YEARS ago.  And having seen it, HOW can they justify carrying on with all programs, year after year, that continue to prove fruitless?  HOW&#8230;DO&#8230;THEY&#8230;DO IT!!!!!!!!!!!! ( Putting some exCLAM tech in there for emphasis.)  Anyway, on such days when this question predominates and swamps my better nature (and today is one of those days) then I&#8217;m filled with irritation, impatience and contempt  for them for a while, because I truly do NOT understand how its possible to not see what&#8217;s right in front of them&#8230;Ok, I&#8217;ll stop.  Fortunately the negative feelings don&#8217;t last very long and I go back into compassion mode.  They are good people.  They mean well; I know they do.  End of rant.</p>
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		By: PeaceMaker		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Feb 2024 16:24:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hubbard himself didn&#039;t give as much as he stole - he left a trail of bad debts going back to his sailing expeditions starting in the 1930s, and even the money loaned to him to buy Saint Hill, not to mention a long series of failed promises to (paying) followers such as being able to get rid of their eyeglasses or become a &quot;clear&quot; with perfect memory, or being able to get refunds (particularly for money &quot;on account&quot; as advance payments).  

And like so many things in his CofS, giving only goes one way - and similarly the principle of being &#039;exchange&#039; only flows downhill, used to keep members indentured to the org but applied absolving the org of any &quot;responsibility&quot; (another scientology principle that only goes one way) such as failure to deliver as promised.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hubbard himself didn&#8217;t give as much as he stole &#8211; he left a trail of bad debts going back to his sailing expeditions starting in the 1930s, and even the money loaned to him to buy Saint Hill, not to mention a long series of failed promises to (paying) followers such as being able to get rid of their eyeglasses or become a &#8220;clear&#8221; with perfect memory, or being able to get refunds (particularly for money &#8220;on account&#8221; as advance payments).  </p>
<p>And like so many things in his CofS, giving only goes one way &#8211; and similarly the principle of being &#8216;exchange&#8217; only flows downhill, used to keep members indentured to the org but applied absolving the org of any &#8220;responsibility&#8221; (another scientology principle that only goes one way) such as failure to deliver as promised.</p>
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		By: Marie Guerin		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Marie Guerin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Feb 2024 15:05:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[And again , watching this guy make his case , even though ten years have passed , the exhilirating feeling comes back : “ I am out..”]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And again , watching this guy make his case , even though ten years have passed , the exhilirating feeling comes back : “ I am out..”</p>
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		By: LoosingMyReligion		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[LoosingMyReligion]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Feb 2024 14:08:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-pitch-give-us-your-money-because-thats-what-lrh-did/#comment-566953&quot;&gt;Aquamarine&lt;/a&gt;.

Nothing can be more true. All over the world, there are countless medium and small organizations where they have put into operation &#039;the ideal pumps,&#039; pumping all the money they could from the public, both for building and renovations, and yet no one has seen anything, or at most, a distant photo of an empty building to be renovated. Those funds have then fattened the SO reserves. And what they will see in the future will be more requests for money. Meanwhile, the number of staff has remained the same or has decreased and are inadeguate. There isnt any hope to see anything]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-pitch-give-us-your-money-because-thats-what-lrh-did/#comment-566953">Aquamarine</a>.</p>
<p>Nothing can be more true. All over the world, there are countless medium and small organizations where they have put into operation &#8216;the ideal pumps,&#8217; pumping all the money they could from the public, both for building and renovations, and yet no one has seen anything, or at most, a distant photo of an empty building to be renovated. Those funds have then fattened the SO reserves. And what they will see in the future will be more requests for money. Meanwhile, the number of staff has remained the same or has decreased and are inadeguate. There isnt any hope to see anything</p>
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		By: Phil Jones		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Phil Jones]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Feb 2024 11:25:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Just think if that means you&#039;re crazy, then that means LRH was too. And let&#039;s be like him.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Just think if that means you&#8217;re crazy, then that means LRH was too. And let&#8217;s be like him.&#8221;</p>
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		By: Shawn		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Shawn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Feb 2024 08:18:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-pitch-give-us-your-money-because-thats-what-lrh-did/#comment-566919&quot;&gt;Xenu&#039;s R6 Implanted Body-Thetans are the core deep scam of Hubbard&#039;s&lt;/a&gt;.

And I seem to remember that Hubbard also said: never give away the services, make them pay dearly for the privilege.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-pitch-give-us-your-money-because-thats-what-lrh-did/#comment-566919">Xenu&#8217;s R6 Implanted Body-Thetans are the core deep scam of Hubbard&#8217;s</a>.</p>
<p>And I seem to remember that Hubbard also said: never give away the services, make them pay dearly for the privilege.</p>
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		By: Aquamarine		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Aquamarine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Feb 2024 06:04:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;The giving of something is a very high goal&quot;.

I agree, Creep.

And I&#039;m going to give you something.
To give you something is definitely a goal of mine.
But first the plumber has to clean out the septic tank.

Much love,
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The giving of something is a very high goal&#8221;.</p>
<p>I agree, Creep.</p>
<p>And I&#8217;m going to give you something.<br />
To give you something is definitely a goal of mine.<br />
But first the plumber has to clean out the septic tank.</p>
<p>Much love,<br />
Aqua</p>
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