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		By: Episode 55: Ian Rafalko and Dylan Follo		</title>
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		By: Michael Winters		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Oct 2017 14:23:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-scientology-committee-of-evidence/#comment-194806&quot;&gt;Neo&lt;/a&gt;.

I might have you beat. I was offlines for 4 years and was declared an SP by an org I have never been onlines at, all without so much as a phone call. The issue just turned up at my local org and people were called in to disconnect including family, spouse, etc. Lost my job, a ton of money that would have come out of that, and essentially a couple family members, and a host of fairweather friends. I spent nearly 3 months sending letters requesting a Comm Ev to clear my name. All while being kicked out of my own home because other Scientologists were living there. So I had to sleep on a friend&#039;s couch. 

Then comes time for the Comm Ev, in LA, discovered the whole thing was based on 2 KR&#039;s, and hearsay Things that shouldn&#039;t be which the INspections officer never confronted me on, but assumed it was true. No ethics gradients, no phone calls. 4 years removed, life turned upside down overnight. 

Then in their Comm Ev, they admit that the SP Declare was squirrel and they found me innocent on every charge levied against me (the SP Declare charges were the same as the ones in the Comm Ev). The Recommendations thought stated something entirely different. It was threatening, included an amends project, doing a Sec Check at an SO Org, lower conditions, etc all within 3 months or they wouldn&#039;t lift their squirrel SP Declare. I knew then that no matter what policy I followed, they had their own and I wasn&#039;t privy to it. 

And then, all of the things I was accused of doing, I started doing - which was to read this and (formerly Marty&#039;s website, before they got to him) to discover THEIR crimes. They made an enemy, deliberately it seems. And so they have another. Too bad for them I kept all of these documents (and more) and have video and audio of their squirrel justice. Will I ever release it? Maybe. 

One thing&#039;s for sure, the greatest day of my life was when I walked away for good. Since then I have found REAL friends. And my relationship with my family not brainwashed has actually never been better. Now that I have disconnected from them and continually false data strip myself away from their brainwashed think about people, mankind and the world at large, I&#039;ve actually been much happier. People aren&#039;t just &quot;raw meat&quot;, &quot;wogs&quot; or &quot;DBs&quot; ... people are quite interesting. I think I advanced spiritually more so getting out of Scientology than I ever did paying for 20k-30k chunks of rudiments and sec checking (I&#039;ve paid over 10k just for rudiments!!). What a total wasted of money. Rip off. 

And I hope everyday I will wake up and hear about that scum Miscavige being arrested or fleeing the country or worse. I hold little ill will toward his robots, but they are dead to me. I&#039;d never trust them without seeing real ethics change. Ironic eh? =)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-scientology-committee-of-evidence/#comment-194806">Neo</a>.</p>
<p>I might have you beat. I was offlines for 4 years and was declared an SP by an org I have never been onlines at, all without so much as a phone call. The issue just turned up at my local org and people were called in to disconnect including family, spouse, etc. Lost my job, a ton of money that would have come out of that, and essentially a couple family members, and a host of fairweather friends. I spent nearly 3 months sending letters requesting a Comm Ev to clear my name. All while being kicked out of my own home because other Scientologists were living there. So I had to sleep on a friend&#8217;s couch. </p>
<p>Then comes time for the Comm Ev, in LA, discovered the whole thing was based on 2 KR&#8217;s, and hearsay Things that shouldn&#8217;t be which the INspections officer never confronted me on, but assumed it was true. No ethics gradients, no phone calls. 4 years removed, life turned upside down overnight. </p>
<p>Then in their Comm Ev, they admit that the SP Declare was squirrel and they found me innocent on every charge levied against me (the SP Declare charges were the same as the ones in the Comm Ev). The Recommendations thought stated something entirely different. It was threatening, included an amends project, doing a Sec Check at an SO Org, lower conditions, etc all within 3 months or they wouldn&#8217;t lift their squirrel SP Declare. I knew then that no matter what policy I followed, they had their own and I wasn&#8217;t privy to it. </p>
<p>And then, all of the things I was accused of doing, I started doing &#8211; which was to read this and (formerly Marty&#8217;s website, before they got to him) to discover THEIR crimes. They made an enemy, deliberately it seems. And so they have another. Too bad for them I kept all of these documents (and more) and have video and audio of their squirrel justice. Will I ever release it? Maybe. </p>
<p>One thing&#8217;s for sure, the greatest day of my life was when I walked away for good. Since then I have found REAL friends. And my relationship with my family not brainwashed has actually never been better. Now that I have disconnected from them and continually false data strip myself away from their brainwashed think about people, mankind and the world at large, I&#8217;ve actually been much happier. People aren&#8217;t just &#8220;raw meat&#8221;, &#8220;wogs&#8221; or &#8220;DBs&#8221; &#8230; people are quite interesting. I think I advanced spiritually more so getting out of Scientology than I ever did paying for 20k-30k chunks of rudiments and sec checking (I&#8217;ve paid over 10k just for rudiments!!). What a total wasted of money. Rip off. </p>
<p>And I hope everyday I will wake up and hear about that scum Miscavige being arrested or fleeing the country or worse. I hold little ill will toward his robots, but they are dead to me. I&#8217;d never trust them without seeing real ethics change. Ironic eh? =)</p>
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		By: Dead me tell no tales Bill Straass		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-scientology-committee-of-evidence/#comment-194940</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Oct 2017 23:46:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-scientology-committee-of-evidence/#comment-194938&quot;&gt;Dead me tell no tales Bill Straass&lt;/a&gt;.

Goddamn auto correct. It changed  Terra&#039;s name to Teresa.]]></description>
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<p>Goddamn auto correct. It changed  Terra&#8217;s name to Teresa.</p>
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		By: Dead me tell no tales Bill Straass		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-scientology-committee-of-evidence/#comment-194938</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Oct 2017 23:36:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-scientology-committee-of-evidence/#comment-194478&quot;&gt;Cindy&lt;/a&gt;.

I personally think that Teresa&#039;s Declare is not public because it would be immediately be posted on this blog and would give further credence to the truth that there is no current justice in the Church. The only difference between Scientology Justice and Nazi or Soviet justice is that Scn has not yet built ovens to dispose of the bodies. They all have gulags or concentration camps. I think that any possibility of the RPF no longer being used is that it required justice actions to be sent there. Perhaps just about anyone can send you to the hole  without recourse.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-scientology-committee-of-evidence/#comment-194478">Cindy</a>.</p>
<p>I personally think that Teresa&#8217;s Declare is not public because it would be immediately be posted on this blog and would give further credence to the truth that there is no current justice in the Church. The only difference between Scientology Justice and Nazi or Soviet justice is that Scn has not yet built ovens to dispose of the bodies. They all have gulags or concentration camps. I think that any possibility of the RPF no longer being used is that it required justice actions to be sent there. Perhaps just about anyone can send you to the hole  without recourse.</p>
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		By: Spike		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-scientology-committee-of-evidence/#comment-194856</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Oct 2017 02:41:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-scientology-committee-of-evidence/#comment-194828&quot;&gt;M8&lt;/a&gt;.

Sure, M8, or you could email me if you like.  Mike can hook us up.]]></description>
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<p>Sure, M8, or you could email me if you like.  Mike can hook us up.</p>
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		By: M8		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-scientology-committee-of-evidence/#comment-194828</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Oct 2017 20:07:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-scientology-committee-of-evidence/#comment-194640&quot;&gt;Spike&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks Spike. Willingness to listen is up there a thousand notches... Oh wait, no Totem pole bs! Anyhow, thanks  so much because I honestly don&#039;t have a friend that I know that has ever shown encouragement for me to speak on this subject, personally or publicly. Very hush hush. Ok, so if I do it&#039;ll probably be over at Elephant Journal or... Who knows?, one day I might drop Mike a ghost post..]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-scientology-committee-of-evidence/#comment-194640">Spike</a>.</p>
<p>Thanks Spike. Willingness to listen is up there a thousand notches&#8230; Oh wait, no Totem pole bs! Anyhow, thanks  so much because I honestly don&#8217;t have a friend that I know that has ever shown encouragement for me to speak on this subject, personally or publicly. Very hush hush. Ok, so if I do it&#8217;ll probably be over at Elephant Journal or&#8230; Who knows?, one day I might drop Mike a ghost post..</p>
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		By: Neo		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Oct 2017 16:47:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-scientology-committee-of-evidence/#comment-194760&quot;&gt;Michael Winters&lt;/a&gt;.

Comm Ev&#039;s are pre-ordained. The cult follows their own policies only when it expedites their agenda. I was comm eved and the scumbags running the comm ev ignored specific policy clearly stated in the Hco Pl on Comm Ev&#039;s. First of all the MAA refused to give me the Bill of Particulars. She refused to show me the KR&#039;s submitted to the committee. The most egregious act was their attempt to do an ethics interview(interrogation) prior to Comm Ev which is specifically prohibited in the policy letter. When I called them on it they just ignored it. I went ahead with Comm Ev just for the experience of it. I never got the findings however every zealot I knew disconnected from me. I don&#039;t miss any of them. They weren&#039;t able to mess up any relationships family and others that mattered to me.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-scientology-committee-of-evidence/#comment-194760">Michael Winters</a>.</p>
<p>Comm Ev&#8217;s are pre-ordained. The cult follows their own policies only when it expedites their agenda. I was comm eved and the scumbags running the comm ev ignored specific policy clearly stated in the Hco Pl on Comm Ev&#8217;s. First of all the MAA refused to give me the Bill of Particulars. She refused to show me the KR&#8217;s submitted to the committee. The most egregious act was their attempt to do an ethics interview(interrogation) prior to Comm Ev which is specifically prohibited in the policy letter. When I called them on it they just ignored it. I went ahead with Comm Ev just for the experience of it. I never got the findings however every zealot I knew disconnected from me. I don&#8217;t miss any of them. They weren&#8217;t able to mess up any relationships family and others that mattered to me.</p>
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		By: Spike		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-scientology-committee-of-evidence/#comment-194765</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Spike]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Oct 2017 10:27:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-scientology-committee-of-evidence/#comment-194760&quot;&gt;Michael Winters&lt;/a&gt;.

Holy cr@p, Michael Winters!]]></description>
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<p>Holy cr@p, Michael Winters!</p>
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		By: HD		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Oct 2017 06:18:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I had a comm ev called on me once by DM.  An auditor at Flag had red tagged a pc and she was being disciplined. David Miscavige was overseeing the case.  Because I had CSd this auditor a few years before that, I was accused of improperly training her because she caused this red tag.  Other CSes who had CSED her were also named.  No matter how minimal our contact was with this auditor and what correction we had given her, we were all charged.  We could have all lost our certificates over this.  Luckily the comm ev went on too long and had to be cancelled per policy. This was fortunate as because DM ordered the comm ev, we most certainly would have been found guilty with retraining at the very least.

To give an example that everyone can think with, this would be like being accused with not arresting someone who had once driven through your town because they were later caught speeding in another town. Insane.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had a comm ev called on me once by DM.  An auditor at Flag had red tagged a pc and she was being disciplined. David Miscavige was overseeing the case.  Because I had CSd this auditor a few years before that, I was accused of improperly training her because she caused this red tag.  Other CSes who had CSED her were also named.  No matter how minimal our contact was with this auditor and what correction we had given her, we were all charged.  We could have all lost our certificates over this.  Luckily the comm ev went on too long and had to be cancelled per policy. This was fortunate as because DM ordered the comm ev, we most certainly would have been found guilty with retraining at the very least.</p>
<p>To give an example that everyone can think with, this would be like being accused with not arresting someone who had once driven through your town because they were later caught speeding in another town. Insane.</p>
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		By: Michael Winters		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Winters]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Oct 2017 03:30:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Everything which you relay in this post about the Scientology Comm Ev is absolutely 100% true. In my Comm Ev they admitted that I was innocent on EVERY charge but instead of dropping the falsely imposed SP declare based on reading this website, they decided that they wouldn&#039;t drop the admittedly squirrel justice until I did an amends project, got a sec check at my expense, lowers conditions etc within 3 months - threats included &quot;or our squirrel SP declare on you will stand and we&#039;ll make up why later based on some LRH advice or reference that you aren&#039;t privy too.&quot; 

Yep, sounds like someone they, in the same document, found innocent on every charge. They made an enemy for life that day.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everything which you relay in this post about the Scientology Comm Ev is absolutely 100% true. In my Comm Ev they admitted that I was innocent on EVERY charge but instead of dropping the falsely imposed SP declare based on reading this website, they decided that they wouldn&#8217;t drop the admittedly squirrel justice until I did an amends project, got a sec check at my expense, lowers conditions etc within 3 months &#8211; threats included &#8220;or our squirrel SP declare on you will stand and we&#8217;ll make up why later based on some LRH advice or reference that you aren&#8217;t privy too.&#8221; </p>
<p>Yep, sounds like someone they, in the same document, found innocent on every charge. They made an enemy for life that day.</p>
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