Excellent info. Well, all I can say is “Hail Placebo!”

Placebo is the guaranteed ticket for quack gurus.

In HCOB 23 August 1968, Workability of Tech, Hub claimed a 22½% placebo response.

He also claimed 33% would improve from squirrel tech, “well over 50%” from book one, and 97-100% from standard scientology 😂

If ever he pulled something out of his ass it’s this.

All talk therapies reportedly produce similar results, despite differences in procedure (ref Dodo Bird Verdict). This is ultimately why many psychologists argue expectation and the placebo effect are all any talk therapy can provide – with the client/patient relationship being the most significant variable.

I think Hubbard knew this – hence his emphasis on auditor training and also why he used such lofty claims – spending years attempting to justify them when he knew he couldn’t deliver.

Utilising the trappings of both science and religion (and a hefty price tag), he could amplify expectation to the extreme. His space opera narrative purposely preconditions the patient to buy in to the belief. This influences patient recall during therapy, validating basic premises. All these elements can facilitate an extremely potent placebo effect.

It’s actually pretty clever, in some ways. The therapeutic value of the placebo effect is well established. Those who claim auditing doesn’t help people are denying this fact – and, by extension, the power of belief.

I dread finding the Hubbard reference, but somewhere he claims his auditing is better than placebo, and that the good effects of his auditing isn’t merely placebo. (My wishful thinking as a paperpusher training dept staffer, was that all auditing would be beneficial, period, 100%, if the auditor played the tech cards right with the patient/recipient.)

I “realized” recently, that some of the great auditors were naturals at the Hubbard “2WC” (two way comm) Scientology therapy procedure. In fact that might just why some people loved certain executives, was because those executives were gifted at the Hubbard “two way comm” process regulations naturally.

Oh gosh, I hate delving deeping into the Hubbard tech procedures, to pinpoint one or another which has snippets of good listening and understanding behavior of good therapists in the outside world, but that’s been my conclusion why some auditors were sought after due to their good “two way comm” following, in life, which was beneficial on person to person level. Like for instance Yvonne Gillham Jentzsch was such a person with excellent natural two way comm skills, making her a person newbie celebrities really wished to connect and chat with all the time, like Yvonne did.

People have different levels of “presence” as a listener/therapist, which are helpful, some Scientology auditors had this, some Scientologists had this.

That type of interaction is for sure beneficial to the Scientologists seeking interaction from Scientology which was beneficial to their lives.

The TRs drilling was supposed to develop these two way comm skills in a person, to make them have the fundamentals to being a good auditor at step 1 in Scientology.

The Hubbard laborious long dragged out training and mentoring (internships) to becoming supposedly an excellent auditor, does “make sense” to some degree.

I concluded though, that the best persons with natural intuitive therapist skills, were the best auditors, needing minimal training at all in the “basics” of two way communication and all the other ways Hubbard sub divided how to make auditors into good auditors.

That simply ought to be the focus of all things Scientology does, period, if they want to reform themselves.

Change back to Auditor Day events, and make it the primary event of the year, and drop all the other crap. Hubbard would likely not even do that if he were here, Hubbard’s tech to me is bogus, and Hubbard’s dodging into paperpushing managers to run his auditing sales empire was just a sick dodge away from the flaws in the Hubbard quackery.

I wonder if all living Class 8s were surveyed, what their views on auditing vs therapy would be. (My old gold standard, were the Class 8s, or above)

If I was being generous, I’d say that there may be some use to having a “themed” talk therapy. Perhaps as a way to decode one’s subconscious narratives, not unlike how one might decode a dream. Hub’s sci-fi matrix may be hokum but the metaphors within one’s past lives may hold some form of truth that could be worth inspecting. (Did you really blow up a planet or are you just an asshole with anger issues?) There is wisdom in the abstract. People have claimed profound insights on DMT (whilst talking to interdimensional elves) and other psychedelics. Most do not interpret their peak experiences literally. Hubbard did…and encouraged his customers to do the same. He was more interested in the placebo effect than in any sincere self-reflection.

In hindsight, people who were the great auditors in Scientology history, I wish they had instead chosen therapist training in other therapy subjects, using their good people skills in other reputable subjects and institutions.

The Hubbard official Scientology empire isn’t reputable, isn’t a good choice.

And the gizmo in Scientology, the “Hubbard Emeter” for sure doesn’t detect invisible souls, although the advanced Scientologists using it, would not find their troublesome body-thetans without the use of the Hubbard gizmo.

If there are any Indie Scns on this blog, I’m selling two Mark VII emeters for shipping plus $20. Get them while they’re hot. Seriously.

It wouldn’t surprise me. Like those Basics books packages.

Not yet. I just checked, and there’s one for $94.99. And it’s eBay – might get auctioned down!!

Great comment. And I bet they are going for almost free now on ebay.