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		By: Lurkness		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-warehouse-viii/#comment-26005</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Nov 2013 00:03:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-warehouse-viii/#comment-25779&quot;&gt;Mike Rinder&lt;/a&gt;.

Uh-oh.  LA pulled in more people than the Dwarfenfurher did in CW.  Is the circus tent coming to LA next???]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-warehouse-viii/#comment-25779">Mike Rinder</a>.</p>
<p>Uh-oh.  LA pulled in more people than the Dwarfenfurher did in CW.  Is the circus tent coming to LA next???</p>
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		By: OZZYBUD420		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-warehouse-viii/#comment-25893</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Nov 2013 09:32:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[it sounds to me like they are trying to go towards a subscriber-type setup. ie you would own the emeter but would be required to subscribe to a emeter &quot;service&quot;. think about it like this, when you buy a cable/satellite box instead of renting as soon as your no longer subscribed it becomes useless without the actual digital cable/satellite service its useless. you still own the box(emeter) but without subscribing to the service its essentially useless. now where or not this &quot;new&quot; old emeter is able to do this or not Im not sure. but if it really is able to be hooked up to a computer for updates it would be a simple matter of adding a small amount of code to make it subscriber based.of course this would require a server on the other end but if it actually does have update capabilities this really isnt very hard at all to do. if they don&#039;t do it with this emeter and assuming CoS survives till the next big even Id bet money the next emeter will be subscriber based. of course the church may not be smart enough to figure it out but it is possible definitely.of course this is assuming that they have a proper user agreement I dont think it would be legal to do this via a software update in future id imagine it would need to be disclosed at the time of sale as well.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it sounds to me like they are trying to go towards a subscriber-type setup. ie you would own the emeter but would be required to subscribe to a emeter &#8220;service&#8221;. think about it like this, when you buy a cable/satellite box instead of renting as soon as your no longer subscribed it becomes useless without the actual digital cable/satellite service its useless. you still own the box(emeter) but without subscribing to the service its essentially useless. now where or not this &#8220;new&#8221; old emeter is able to do this or not Im not sure. but if it really is able to be hooked up to a computer for updates it would be a simple matter of adding a small amount of code to make it subscriber based.of course this would require a server on the other end but if it actually does have update capabilities this really isnt very hard at all to do. if they don&#8217;t do it with this emeter and assuming CoS survives till the next big even Id bet money the next emeter will be subscriber based. of course the church may not be smart enough to figure it out but it is possible definitely.of course this is assuming that they have a proper user agreement I dont think it would be legal to do this via a software update in future id imagine it would need to be disclosed at the time of sale as well.</p>
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		By: Pepper		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Nov 2013 02:41:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[To Mike Rinder,

Sorry for the confusion.  I was in the balcony, in the last section towards the end.  This section was empty, except for maybe the first 2-3 rows and not all the way across the auditorium either.  You could look at the Shrine Auditorium seating chart online too.

Yes, I definitely believe there were less than 4000 people there.  There pockets of empty seats/rows throughout.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Mike Rinder,</p>
<p>Sorry for the confusion.  I was in the balcony, in the last section towards the end.  This section was empty, except for maybe the first 2-3 rows and not all the way across the auditorium either.  You could look at the Shrine Auditorium seating chart online too.</p>
<p>Yes, I definitely believe there were less than 4000 people there.  There pockets of empty seats/rows throughout.</p>
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		By: WhatWall		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-warehouse-viii/#comment-25818</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Nov 2013 21:53:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-warehouse-viii/#comment-25784&quot;&gt;One Point Won&lt;/a&gt;.

One Point Won,

Regarding RFID (Radio-Frequency Identification) tags: In order to obtain info from them, they must be scanned (interrogated) by a RFID Interrogator.The battery powered tags may be read from a distance of hundreds of meters but the more common un-powered tags can only be read from a few meters away. (See Wikipedia article for more info: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio-frequency_identification)

The CO$ would have to bring an RFID Interrogator into your neighborhood in order to obtain information from a RFID tag embedded in your E-meter. 

A more practical solution would be to embed GPS circuitry in your E-meter. Even then, embedded cellular circuitry would also be required to contact the CO$. (Your cell phone likely includes such GPS &#038; cellular circuitry, which enables your phone provider to track you.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-warehouse-viii/#comment-25784">One Point Won</a>.</p>
<p>One Point Won,</p>
<p>Regarding RFID (Radio-Frequency Identification) tags: In order to obtain info from them, they must be scanned (interrogated) by a RFID Interrogator.The battery powered tags may be read from a distance of hundreds of meters but the more common un-powered tags can only be read from a few meters away. (See Wikipedia article for more info: <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio-frequency_identification" rel="nofollow ugc">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio-frequency_identification</a>)</p>
<p>The CO$ would have to bring an RFID Interrogator into your neighborhood in order to obtain information from a RFID tag embedded in your E-meter. </p>
<p>A more practical solution would be to embed GPS circuitry in your E-meter. Even then, embedded cellular circuitry would also be required to contact the CO$. (Your cell phone likely includes such GPS &amp; cellular circuitry, which enables your phone provider to track you.)</p>
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		By: One Point Won		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Nov 2013 20:06:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I read two-thirds of all of these intelligent posts...thank you all! I will read the rest later, after my Solo VII session. Has anyone wondered if they will hide RFID &quot;tags&quot; inside these new &quot;digital&quot; meters (Radio Frequency Identification chips)? That way they can know where your meter is at all times and know where it is being used. Then, if the C of S is still around in 3 years, maybe as you upgrade it each year the church will try to learn how much Tone Arm Action was gotten, , and how many Rock Slams your meter had, etc. 

OK, here&#039;s the clincher -- my guesstimate as to why the C of S can never again make their Ultra L-8 meter any more advanced after 8 years of cold storage annual updates...the C of S would then be VIOLATING the PATENTS of all of the currently existing and more advanced -- truly digital -- Independent E-Meters that sell online daily to auditors for a fraction of the price of the Ultra L8 to non C of S auditors! Oh, and for the record, you do not need a tone arm nor a trim knob on a truly digital meter. They can have both, but the TA can be reset auto-magically microseconds before the needle falls off the left OR right side of the dial. That&#039;s 50,000 times faster than the human hand can move a Tone Arm. So, take that, Ultra-L-8. (Note: That is pronounced &quot;Ultra L8&quot; as in ultra late.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read two-thirds of all of these intelligent posts&#8230;thank you all! I will read the rest later, after my Solo VII session. Has anyone wondered if they will hide RFID &#8220;tags&#8221; inside these new &#8220;digital&#8221; meters (Radio Frequency Identification chips)? That way they can know where your meter is at all times and know where it is being used. Then, if the C of S is still around in 3 years, maybe as you upgrade it each year the church will try to learn how much Tone Arm Action was gotten, , and how many Rock Slams your meter had, etc. </p>
<p>OK, here&#8217;s the clincher &#8212; my guesstimate as to why the C of S can never again make their Ultra L-8 meter any more advanced after 8 years of cold storage annual updates&#8230;the C of S would then be VIOLATING the PATENTS of all of the currently existing and more advanced &#8212; truly digital &#8212; Independent E-Meters that sell online daily to auditors for a fraction of the price of the Ultra L8 to non C of S auditors! Oh, and for the record, you do not need a tone arm nor a trim knob on a truly digital meter. They can have both, but the TA can be reset auto-magically microseconds before the needle falls off the left OR right side of the dial. That&#8217;s 50,000 times faster than the human hand can move a Tone Arm. So, take that, Ultra-L-8. (Note: That is pronounced &#8220;Ultra L8&#8221; as in ultra late.)</p>
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		By: Mike Rinder		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-warehouse-viii/#comment-25779</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Nov 2013 20:01:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-warehouse-viii/#comment-25759&quot;&gt;Pepper&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks Pepper. 

I am confused about the difference between the &quot;top tier&quot; of the auditorium and &quot;the second level&quot;?

If the &quot;top tier&quot; is the balcony, and only the first few rows were full this means there were less than 4000 people there. That is pitiful when the whole of PAC, the Int Base, all orgs from San Diego to Santa Barbara staff and public were expected to be there.

But perhaps I misunderstood what you were saying...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-warehouse-viii/#comment-25759">Pepper</a>.</p>
<p>Thanks Pepper. </p>
<p>I am confused about the difference between the &#8220;top tier&#8221; of the auditorium and &#8220;the second level&#8221;?</p>
<p>If the &#8220;top tier&#8221; is the balcony, and only the first few rows were full this means there were less than 4000 people there. That is pitiful when the whole of PAC, the Int Base, all orgs from San Diego to Santa Barbara staff and public were expected to be there.</p>
<p>But perhaps I misunderstood what you were saying&#8230;</p>
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		By: Pepper		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-warehouse-viii/#comment-25768</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Nov 2013 19:06:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[To Jane Doe,

Miscavige was referring to the &quot;recovered&quot; Objectives co-audit for everyone at any point on the Bridge now, OT&#039;s included.  It seems that anyone can originate that they want to redo/flatten their Objectives and voila.

I am also unclear on this point as to how someone can be on Objectives and &quot;decide they want to do more&quot;.  It sounds to me like people can program their own case for Objectives, or least have a lot of leadway in doing so.

Miscavige gave an example of his staff at Flag, who get or have gotten little auditing and said that they really wanted to make the most of it so they kept auditing on it for an extensive amount of time. 

He mentioned without actually saying what exactly, that there&#039;s some &quot;interesting&quot; Objective processes towards the end and some people have the interest to do those, to see what they are, or to experience them, so they stay on it.  Also, because they saw others doing it and wanted to too.

I checked this point out with a friend is an old-school auditor and CS and that person wasn&#039;t so sure either but told me that there is a CS series (46, Declares?) regarding what to do if the PC feels he has not made the EP.

Someone on the processing lineup for GATII would have a better explanation but I really have no interest to contact anyone about it because then I&#039;ll never be let alone after that.  You know, &quot;I reached for it&quot;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Jane Doe,</p>
<p>Miscavige was referring to the &#8220;recovered&#8221; Objectives co-audit for everyone at any point on the Bridge now, OT&#8217;s included.  It seems that anyone can originate that they want to redo/flatten their Objectives and voila.</p>
<p>I am also unclear on this point as to how someone can be on Objectives and &#8220;decide they want to do more&#8221;.  It sounds to me like people can program their own case for Objectives, or least have a lot of leadway in doing so.</p>
<p>Miscavige gave an example of his staff at Flag, who get or have gotten little auditing and said that they really wanted to make the most of it so they kept auditing on it for an extensive amount of time. </p>
<p>He mentioned without actually saying what exactly, that there&#8217;s some &#8220;interesting&#8221; Objective processes towards the end and some people have the interest to do those, to see what they are, or to experience them, so they stay on it.  Also, because they saw others doing it and wanted to too.</p>
<p>I checked this point out with a friend is an old-school auditor and CS and that person wasn&#8217;t so sure either but told me that there is a CS series (46, Declares?) regarding what to do if the PC feels he has not made the EP.</p>
<p>Someone on the processing lineup for GATII would have a better explanation but I really have no interest to contact anyone about it because then I&#8217;ll never be let alone after that.  You know, &#8220;I reached for it&#8221;.</p>
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		By: Pepper		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Nov 2013 18:41:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Mike Rinder,

Was the Shrine full?

Pretty much.  There was a much better turn out than I expected to see.  I sat at the very top tier of the auditorium and that wasn&#039;t full.  Only the first few rows.  The bottom was full.  The second level I cannot say because I didn&#039;t walk around there.

I did go out during the first break and there was a large crowd.

I didn&#039;t see anyone in a SO or staff uniform.  All of the staff were dressed as public and generally, I saw a lot of younger people and am assuming they are actually staff members, not public.

I left only 20 minutes after the second event started, so I have no idea what the evening looked like.  When walking outside, I saw other people walking back to the parking area for the event, which was at USC across the street.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike Rinder,</p>
<p>Was the Shrine full?</p>
<p>Pretty much.  There was a much better turn out than I expected to see.  I sat at the very top tier of the auditorium and that wasn&#8217;t full.  Only the first few rows.  The bottom was full.  The second level I cannot say because I didn&#8217;t walk around there.</p>
<p>I did go out during the first break and there was a large crowd.</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t see anyone in a SO or staff uniform.  All of the staff were dressed as public and generally, I saw a lot of younger people and am assuming they are actually staff members, not public.</p>
<p>I left only 20 minutes after the second event started, so I have no idea what the evening looked like.  When walking outside, I saw other people walking back to the parking area for the event, which was at USC across the street.</p>
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		By: divaexmachina		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Nov 2013 17:12:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-warehouse-viii/#comment-25745&quot;&gt;divaexmachina&lt;/a&gt;.

Correction, Warehouse VIII.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-warehouse-viii/#comment-25745">divaexmachina</a>.</p>
<p>Correction, Warehouse VIII.</p>
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		By: divaexmachina		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Nov 2013 17:12:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-warehouse-viii/#comment-25507&quot;&gt;John P. Capitalist&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;Ownership or use of the E-Meter by anyone not in good standing with the Church of Scientology is prohibited.&quot;

As a Wog, I am truly crushed.

Like John P, I would very much like to see an engineer/computergeek/electronics type deconstruct this emeter.  I laugh out loud every time I read Mike write &quot;Warehouse IV&quot;!

While this meter was sitting in the warehouse, I wonder why COB wasn&#039;t looking at current trends in the Real World ( I&#039;m actually being facetious there) and noticing that TINY and LIGHT and HAND-HELD are where technology is going.

Has COB ever been inside an Apple Store?

It&#039;s nearly 2014.  A truly &quot;cutting edge&quot; e-meter would be no larger than an iPad, have wireless connectors as &quot;cans&quot;, and be able to fit into a briefcase.  

Behind the times again, Davey.  I believe you are stuck in an electronic incident that happened in 1989, as evidenced by your aesthetic sense as well.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-warehouse-viii/#comment-25507">John P. Capitalist</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;Ownership or use of the E-Meter by anyone not in good standing with the Church of Scientology is prohibited.&#8221;</p>
<p>As a Wog, I am truly crushed.</p>
<p>Like John P, I would very much like to see an engineer/computergeek/electronics type deconstruct this emeter.  I laugh out loud every time I read Mike write &#8220;Warehouse IV&#8221;!</p>
<p>While this meter was sitting in the warehouse, I wonder why COB wasn&#8217;t looking at current trends in the Real World ( I&#8217;m actually being facetious there) and noticing that TINY and LIGHT and HAND-HELD are where technology is going.</p>
<p>Has COB ever been inside an Apple Store?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s nearly 2014.  A truly &#8220;cutting edge&#8221; e-meter would be no larger than an iPad, have wireless connectors as &#8220;cans&#8221;, and be able to fit into a briefcase.  </p>
<p>Behind the times again, Davey.  I believe you are stuck in an electronic incident that happened in 1989, as evidenced by your aesthetic sense as well.</p>
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