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		By: hei88008		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/this-is-an-ideal-org/#comment-55263</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2014 07:01:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/this-is-an-ideal-org/#comment-55189&quot;&gt;Aquamarine&lt;/a&gt;.

It&#039;s similar to those calls, where one was asked to come for a DofP-Interview, only to be sent to Ethics instead.


Some people supposedly pulled this strategy to get the Truth into the orgs:

They went straight to Ethics themselves and ASKED for an A-J check to be given to them and then dumped ALL their knowledge of the outpoints onto that poor ethics-terminal/auditor, who had no slightest chance of escaping the session and HAD to listen to all those answers and write them down and forward them to the C/S etc. etc.

A well trained SCNist is familiar with the phenomenon, that the mind is often under better control of the auditor than of the PC himself in the beginning stages. So when one knows this information, it can also be reversed and applied to the auditor - and one gets even faster and better &quot;results&quot;, when one tells only of those things, oneself has observed, experienced and doesn&#039;t use any &quot;verboten&quot; &quot;confidential&quot; WORDS!!! ;-)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/this-is-an-ideal-org/#comment-55189">Aquamarine</a>.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s similar to those calls, where one was asked to come for a DofP-Interview, only to be sent to Ethics instead.</p>
<p>Some people supposedly pulled this strategy to get the Truth into the orgs:</p>
<p>They went straight to Ethics themselves and ASKED for an A-J check to be given to them and then dumped ALL their knowledge of the outpoints onto that poor ethics-terminal/auditor, who had no slightest chance of escaping the session and HAD to listen to all those answers and write them down and forward them to the C/S etc. etc.</p>
<p>A well trained SCNist is familiar with the phenomenon, that the mind is often under better control of the auditor than of the PC himself in the beginning stages. So when one knows this information, it can also be reversed and applied to the auditor &#8211; and one gets even faster and better &#8220;results&#8221;, when one tells only of those things, oneself has observed, experienced and doesn&#8217;t use any &#8220;verboten&#8221; &#8220;confidential&#8221; WORDS!!! 😉</p>
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		By: hei88008		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/this-is-an-ideal-org/#comment-55262</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2014 06:41:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/this-is-an-ideal-org/#comment-55186&quot;&gt;Aquamarine&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;What part of  &#039;NO&#039;  didn&#039;t you fully understand?&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/this-is-an-ideal-org/#comment-55186">Aquamarine</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;What part of  &#8216;NO&#8217;  didn&#8217;t you fully understand?&#8221;</p>
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		By: hei88008		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/this-is-an-ideal-org/#comment-55261</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2014 06:38:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/this-is-an-ideal-org/#comment-55187&quot;&gt;WhiteStar&lt;/a&gt;.

Ahhh! That&#039;s why there was always that question at the end of those repair-lists:

&quot;Was there nothing wrong in the first place?&quot;...    ;-)  :-)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/this-is-an-ideal-org/#comment-55187">WhiteStar</a>.</p>
<p>Ahhh! That&#8217;s why there was always that question at the end of those repair-lists:</p>
<p>&#8220;Was there nothing wrong in the first place?&#8221;&#8230;    😉  🙂</p>
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		By: hei88008		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/this-is-an-ideal-org/#comment-55259</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2014 06:20:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/this-is-an-ideal-org/#comment-55183&quot;&gt;Aquamarine&lt;/a&gt;.

There is following story being told...

An OT/pre-OT had a seperate special phone-number ONLY for calls from the org.
BUT THE ORG WOULD BE BILLED/CHARGED FOR EVERY SINGLE PHONE CALL!
That OT/pre-OT then took all that money he earned from those calls and generously donated it at exactly those events, the org had been calling for numerous times! He had a really good laugh - and the org was happy, that an OT/pre-OT had donated money again...   :-) No kidding!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/this-is-an-ideal-org/#comment-55183">Aquamarine</a>.</p>
<p>There is following story being told&#8230;</p>
<p>An OT/pre-OT had a seperate special phone-number ONLY for calls from the org.<br />
BUT THE ORG WOULD BE BILLED/CHARGED FOR EVERY SINGLE PHONE CALL!<br />
That OT/pre-OT then took all that money he earned from those calls and generously donated it at exactly those events, the org had been calling for numerous times! He had a really good laugh &#8211; and the org was happy, that an OT/pre-OT had donated money again&#8230;   🙂 No kidding!</p>
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		By: Robyn		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/this-is-an-ideal-org/#comment-55257</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2014 04:00:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[From the looks of this, it doesn&#039;t seem like much has changed at Mountain View in the last 10 years. I remember so many of these names coming up on lists for recruiting, regging, making field auditors or FSMs at MV over a decade ago. So many of these people have been on the ED&#039;s imaginary &#039;dream team&#039; that has never assembled. 

MV always wanted the Harry Wong to be more active with the org, but he never was. Same with the Feeney&#039;s -- but they were almost exclusively Flag FSMs. The Petersons were always off doing their own thing and didn&#039;t interact with the org much. I see a few names here of people who were considered Stevens Creek public. There is the Redwood City Mission holder. The ED&#039;s husband. It&#039;s also interesting how many names are missing. 

Jan, the long-time ED, tried so hard to get a new building for the org WELL before the ideal org thing. The building was great and not outrageously priced and was in a busy shopping area right near what became a major public transit stop. But the Int Landlord Office dragged its feet, would never get back to her on the CSW and kept blocking it. So frustrating. Although she regged some donations to pay for part of the building (from the Feshbachs), I know she had tried to set aside money into the reserves per policy. Again, she was blocked. 

One thing I liked about her was that she continually resisted some of the ridiculous demands from management and would often refuse to have IAS events held at the org because the IAS tried to come nearly monthly and it was ridiculous.  It was sad to see this wear down over the years and I&#039;m guessing that resistance is gone now. 

The problem, though, was that MV was always very Birthday Game focused without being actually service-focused. When MV came second in the Birthday Game one year, the courseroom was nearly always empty and they had one full-time auditor. It was such a sham.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the looks of this, it doesn&#8217;t seem like much has changed at Mountain View in the last 10 years. I remember so many of these names coming up on lists for recruiting, regging, making field auditors or FSMs at MV over a decade ago. So many of these people have been on the ED&#8217;s imaginary &#8216;dream team&#8217; that has never assembled. </p>
<p>MV always wanted the Harry Wong to be more active with the org, but he never was. Same with the Feeney&#8217;s &#8212; but they were almost exclusively Flag FSMs. The Petersons were always off doing their own thing and didn&#8217;t interact with the org much. I see a few names here of people who were considered Stevens Creek public. There is the Redwood City Mission holder. The ED&#8217;s husband. It&#8217;s also interesting how many names are missing. </p>
<p>Jan, the long-time ED, tried so hard to get a new building for the org WELL before the ideal org thing. The building was great and not outrageously priced and was in a busy shopping area right near what became a major public transit stop. But the Int Landlord Office dragged its feet, would never get back to her on the CSW and kept blocking it. So frustrating. Although she regged some donations to pay for part of the building (from the Feshbachs), I know she had tried to set aside money into the reserves per policy. Again, she was blocked. </p>
<p>One thing I liked about her was that she continually resisted some of the ridiculous demands from management and would often refuse to have IAS events held at the org because the IAS tried to come nearly monthly and it was ridiculous.  It was sad to see this wear down over the years and I&#8217;m guessing that resistance is gone now. </p>
<p>The problem, though, was that MV was always very Birthday Game focused without being actually service-focused. When MV came second in the Birthday Game one year, the courseroom was nearly always empty and they had one full-time auditor. It was such a sham.</p>
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		By: Pepper		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/this-is-an-ideal-org/#comment-55253</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2014 00:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/this-is-an-ideal-org/#comment-55191&quot;&gt;Aquamarine&lt;/a&gt;.

Yes Aqua, and these parents always say that they rest assured that their kids are the in &quot;the safest place possible, The Sea Org!&quot;   My response would be this: Why isn&#039;t your home the safest place for your kids?  That&#039;s what it&#039;s supposed to be, isn&#039;t it?

Kids don&#039;t belong in the Sea Org period and they are not safe there because they are in an environment where the end always justifies the means.  Scientology will always come first before anyone&#039;s well-being.    

Unfortunately, these kids are probably not in the best situation when they are in the custody of adults who think they &quot;know&quot; what their children&#039;s whole track purposes are either.  Fundamentalism is not good for anyone, and kids will probably suffer this the most.  Just ask Jenna Miscavige Hill.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/this-is-an-ideal-org/#comment-55191">Aquamarine</a>.</p>
<p>Yes Aqua, and these parents always say that they rest assured that their kids are the in &#8220;the safest place possible, The Sea Org!&#8221;   My response would be this: Why isn&#8217;t your home the safest place for your kids?  That&#8217;s what it&#8217;s supposed to be, isn&#8217;t it?</p>
<p>Kids don&#8217;t belong in the Sea Org period and they are not safe there because they are in an environment where the end always justifies the means.  Scientology will always come first before anyone&#8217;s well-being.    </p>
<p>Unfortunately, these kids are probably not in the best situation when they are in the custody of adults who think they &#8220;know&#8221; what their children&#8217;s whole track purposes are either.  Fundamentalism is not good for anyone, and kids will probably suffer this the most.  Just ask Jenna Miscavige Hill.</p>
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		By: Hiatus57		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2014 23:55:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Why is there no OT&#039;s from Clearwater EVER attending these events.

There are a few Class VIII&#039;s and OT VIII&#039;s who never seem to end up on the lsit of attendees or donators.

Looks like the IAS need to look them up they are a few just down the road from Flag]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is there no OT&#8217;s from Clearwater EVER attending these events.</p>
<p>There are a few Class VIII&#8217;s and OT VIII&#8217;s who never seem to end up on the lsit of attendees or donators.</p>
<p>Looks like the IAS need to look them up they are a few just down the road from Flag</p>
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		By: Cindy		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/this-is-an-ideal-org/#comment-55225</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cindy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2014 20:01:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Way to go, Lordburg!  Smite them down with the truth.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Way to go, Lordburg!  Smite them down with the truth.</p>
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		By: Old Surfer Dude		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/this-is-an-ideal-org/#comment-55200</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Old Surfer Dude]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2014 14:05:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/this-is-an-ideal-org/#comment-55184&quot;&gt;Carcha&lt;/a&gt;.

Auditing &#038; training is soooooo last century.  Now, for a donation of hundreds of thousands of dollars, you magically become a &quot;Big Being&quot; like the dwarf and his slightly taller lover, ummm, ahhhh, I mean friend, TC.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/this-is-an-ideal-org/#comment-55184">Carcha</a>.</p>
<p>Auditing &amp; training is soooooo last century.  Now, for a donation of hundreds of thousands of dollars, you magically become a &#8220;Big Being&#8221; like the dwarf and his slightly taller lover, ummm, ahhhh, I mean friend, TC.</p>
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		By: Jose Chung		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jose Chung]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2014 13:34:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/this-is-an-ideal-org/#comment-55197&quot;&gt;Lordburg12&lt;/a&gt;.

Lordburg 12,
Very Well Done. Tech is out Internationally also works, A clear &quot;NO&#039;
does the job.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/this-is-an-ideal-org/#comment-55197">Lordburg12</a>.</p>
<p>Lordburg 12,<br />
Very Well Done. Tech is out Internationally also works, A clear &#8220;NO&#8217;<br />
does the job.</p>
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