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		By: Ann Ashley		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/those-flag-ots-are-really-something/#comment-90937</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ann Ashley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2015 23:17:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/those-flag-ots-are-really-something/#comment-90724&quot;&gt;WhiteStar&lt;/a&gt;.

Whitestar,  I think the new method of operation will be to indoctrinate the staff into being &quot;sweet&quot;.  They will of course carry that to the absurd.   
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/those-flag-ots-are-really-something/#comment-90724">WhiteStar</a>.</p>
<p>Whitestar,  I think the new method of operation will be to indoctrinate the staff into being &#8220;sweet&#8221;.  They will of course carry that to the absurd.<br />
Ann</p>
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		By: Eclipse-girl		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eclipse-girl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2015 02:45:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/those-flag-ots-are-really-something/#comment-90771&quot;&gt;Eclipse-girl&lt;/a&gt;.

Isn&#039;t there documentation either from Hubbard of the 1993 agreement with the IRS (or maybe both) about refunds?  I would also have that documentation in hand.

Good luck.]]></description>
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<p>Isn&#8217;t there documentation either from Hubbard of the 1993 agreement with the IRS (or maybe both) about refunds?  I would also have that documentation in hand.</p>
<p>Good luck.</p>
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		By: Ann Ashley		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ann Ashley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2015 00:55:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/those-flag-ots-are-really-something/#comment-90771&quot;&gt;Eclipse-girl&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks for the advise, Eclipse-girl.  The documentation which states how I requested the  unused money be returned is via email and quite simple. The treatment I received was to be sent a Claims Verification Routing Form and later a letter stating I had executed an agreement and the Church was not obligated to repay me.  Note that I was requesting a return of unused money...not a repayment. I never paid for anything...duh!  

The real laugh is the reaction I get from simply stating:
 &quot;Scientology is a religion. I am not interested in the religious beliefs of The Church of Scientology&quot;.

Honest to gawd, it is sooo funny!  You all ought to try that.  Scientologists just go blank.  They don&#039;t believe it is a religion!  Politely shove it in their face. No engagement.  Simply make that statement and watch the reaction.  LOL!

Ann]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/those-flag-ots-are-really-something/#comment-90771">Eclipse-girl</a>.</p>
<p>Thanks for the advise, Eclipse-girl.  The documentation which states how I requested the  unused money be returned is via email and quite simple. The treatment I received was to be sent a Claims Verification Routing Form and later a letter stating I had executed an agreement and the Church was not obligated to repay me.  Note that I was requesting a return of unused money&#8230;not a repayment. I never paid for anything&#8230;duh!  </p>
<p>The real laugh is the reaction I get from simply stating:<br />
 &#8220;Scientology is a religion. I am not interested in the religious beliefs of The Church of Scientology&#8221;.</p>
<p>Honest to gawd, it is sooo funny!  You all ought to try that.  Scientologists just go blank.  They don&#8217;t believe it is a religion!  Politely shove it in their face. No engagement.  Simply make that statement and watch the reaction.  LOL!</p>
<p>Ann</p>
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		By: Simple		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2015 20:09:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/those-flag-ots-are-really-something/#comment-90720&quot;&gt;unclepepin&lt;/a&gt;.

:-) Undoubtedly.]]></description>
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<p>🙂 Undoubtedly.</p>
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		By: John Locke		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2015 19:06:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/those-flag-ots-are-really-something/#comment-90652&quot;&gt;John Locke&lt;/a&gt;.

Birgit, we (and many like us) have similar time lines.  I&#039;m glad that you too finally found the real &quot;Clear&quot; state!  :)]]></description>
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<p>Birgit, we (and many like us) have similar time lines.  I&#8217;m glad that you too finally found the real &#8220;Clear&#8221; state!  🙂</p>
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		By: Eclipse-girl		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2015 16:12:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/those-flag-ots-are-really-something/#comment-90697&quot;&gt;Ann Ashley&lt;/a&gt;.

Good Luck.  I once took a landlord to Small Claims Court, a very long time ago.

Small Claims cases are usually short with about 15 - 30 mins per side.
The Judge  will ask questions and will expect honest responses.

Go in with the documentation that states how you have requested the amount return and what treatment you received.

IF you win (and I hope you do) you will have to give the other side about 2 weeks to pay, or file an appeal. Small Claims courts are dependent on state laws. 
I actually had to file a lien against the land lord as he didn&#039;t pay and he file an appeal.
The money came in very fast after that.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/those-flag-ots-are-really-something/#comment-90697">Ann Ashley</a>.</p>
<p>Good Luck.  I once took a landlord to Small Claims Court, a very long time ago.</p>
<p>Small Claims cases are usually short with about 15 &#8211; 30 mins per side.<br />
The Judge  will ask questions and will expect honest responses.</p>
<p>Go in with the documentation that states how you have requested the amount return and what treatment you received.</p>
<p>IF you win (and I hope you do) you will have to give the other side about 2 weeks to pay, or file an appeal. Small Claims courts are dependent on state laws.<br />
I actually had to file a lien against the land lord as he didn&#8217;t pay and he file an appeal.<br />
The money came in very fast after that.</p>
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		By: WhiteStar		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2015 13:02:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[so obviously miscavige must know and others notice that things are shrinking. 
the cracks have to start to becoming visible from the inside. 

there is a point when things decline so much that the decline accelerates exponentially. they may well be right around that point. 

it&#039;s hard to envision how this fall is going to unfold. at what point does the group get so small that the remaining members start to say &quot;this can&#039;t be right&quot; and they leave.

can they keep a facade going with a thousand members such so those thousand members can still believe they are expanding? can they do it with 500 or 100? at what number does it become impossible to hide the shrinkage and to enforce compliance?

personally i can&#039;t come up a good guesstimate but there is going to be a number, whatever it is. but when it gets so small that DM can&#039;t reliably count on internal enforcement, that&#039;s when things will really hit high gear. when people inside are talking more openly and there are less people wanting to report them, it&#039;s goodbye jack. he just might start feeling he has to flee for his safety just from those still inside at that time.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>so obviously miscavige must know and others notice that things are shrinking.<br />
the cracks have to start to becoming visible from the inside. </p>
<p>there is a point when things decline so much that the decline accelerates exponentially. they may well be right around that point. </p>
<p>it&#8217;s hard to envision how this fall is going to unfold. at what point does the group get so small that the remaining members start to say &#8220;this can&#8217;t be right&#8221; and they leave.</p>
<p>can they keep a facade going with a thousand members such so those thousand members can still believe they are expanding? can they do it with 500 or 100? at what number does it become impossible to hide the shrinkage and to enforce compliance?</p>
<p>personally i can&#8217;t come up a good guesstimate but there is going to be a number, whatever it is. but when it gets so small that DM can&#8217;t reliably count on internal enforcement, that&#8217;s when things will really hit high gear. when people inside are talking more openly and there are less people wanting to report them, it&#8217;s goodbye jack. he just might start feeling he has to flee for his safety just from those still inside at that time.</p>
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		By: Gary		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2015 11:57:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/those-flag-ots-are-really-something/#comment-90686&quot;&gt;summertinder&lt;/a&gt;.

LOL]]></description>
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<p>LOL</p>
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		By: unclepepin		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2015 11:49:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&#039;The audience twinned up and drilled gaining accessibility to parishioners in the field using the LRH lecture on that subject.&#039;
Gaining accessibility must be the eufemism for showing up at night at someone&#039;s home.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;The audience twinned up and drilled gaining accessibility to parishioners in the field using the LRH lecture on that subject.&#8217;<br />
Gaining accessibility must be the eufemism for showing up at night at someone&#8217;s home.</p>
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		By: Birgit		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Birgit]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2015 10:09:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/those-flag-ots-are-really-something/#comment-90650&quot;&gt;Graham&lt;/a&gt;.

Graham, they can´t photoshop anymore,  cause nobody will be on the picture and they´ll just end up with a picture of an empty room.]]></description>
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<p>Graham, they can´t photoshop anymore,  cause nobody will be on the picture and they´ll just end up with a picture of an empty room.</p>
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