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		By: Mike Reppen		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Reppen]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[I remember when the Exec Director Santa Barbara Carol Monroe was removed in the 1980s and RPFed for falsifying the Gross Income statistic for months. That’s a very hard stat to falsify and not get caught.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember when the Exec Director Santa Barbara Carol Monroe was removed in the 1980s and RPFed for falsifying the Gross Income statistic for months. That’s a very hard stat to falsify and not get caught.</p>
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		By: Cindy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cindy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jul 2022 21:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/through-the-bubble-lilis-adventures-in-scientologyland-part-23/#comment-489960&quot;&gt;Lili R&lt;/a&gt;.

Thank God we didn&#039;t buy those machines that didn&#039;t just not work, but actually harmed people.  Being right is fun and nice.  But the compulsion to be right at all times where you can never admit you aren&#039;t perfect, that&#039;s f**ed up.  And I think that was her category unfortunately.   Ron said, and I paraphrase here, &quot;how wrong can you be -- dead wrong.&quot;  As in dead.  And that is real to me.  But I&quot;m not singing his praises or singing praises of the tech.  Just my own maunderings.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/through-the-bubble-lilis-adventures-in-scientologyland-part-23/#comment-489960">Lili R</a>.</p>
<p>Thank God we didn&#8217;t buy those machines that didn&#8217;t just not work, but actually harmed people.  Being right is fun and nice.  But the compulsion to be right at all times where you can never admit you aren&#8217;t perfect, that&#8217;s f**ed up.  And I think that was her category unfortunately.   Ron said, and I paraphrase here, &#8220;how wrong can you be &#8212; dead wrong.&#8221;  As in dead.  And that is real to me.  But I&#8221;m not singing his praises or singing praises of the tech.  Just my own maunderings.</p>
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		By: Lili R		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lili R]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jul 2022 19:06:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/through-the-bubble-lilis-adventures-in-scientologyland-part-23/#comment-489899&quot;&gt;Cindy&lt;/a&gt;.

Oh my God, Ser Facs. One of the most stupid lingo words ever. I liked the concept of Service Fascsimilies. That you did irrationally stupid stuff in order to Be Right. But I think the only time I ever said those words out loud was on a courseroom check-out.
I didn&#039;t tackle that particular bit of &#039;tech&#039; in the memoir because it&#039;s kinda convoluted. I&#039;m sure I had to clay demo the concept. I&#039;m certain I did not enjoy the experience.
I&#039;ve tried over the years to overcome the knee-jerk desire to be right. Because it seems to always involve making someone else wrong. But it is sweet to be right. Not gonna lie.
But to be stuck on being right and not admit a mistake like that is heinous. PH water filter systems caused liver damage, harmed kids, and started law suits. The fact that she didn&#039;t warn the lead you gave her, was massively wrong.
In what universe does not warning someone of potential health damage to preserve your rightness, work? She clearly sold an overt product. Any bets on her telling her old clients who were still using this harmful filter that it was bad?
I didn&#039;t think so.
Someone tried to sell me one. Someone at the Ventura Mission.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/through-the-bubble-lilis-adventures-in-scientologyland-part-23/#comment-489899">Cindy</a>.</p>
<p>Oh my God, Ser Facs. One of the most stupid lingo words ever. I liked the concept of Service Fascsimilies. That you did irrationally stupid stuff in order to Be Right. But I think the only time I ever said those words out loud was on a courseroom check-out.<br />
I didn&#8217;t tackle that particular bit of &#8216;tech&#8217; in the memoir because it&#8217;s kinda convoluted. I&#8217;m sure I had to clay demo the concept. I&#8217;m certain I did not enjoy the experience.<br />
I&#8217;ve tried over the years to overcome the knee-jerk desire to be right. Because it seems to always involve making someone else wrong. But it is sweet to be right. Not gonna lie.<br />
But to be stuck on being right and not admit a mistake like that is heinous. PH water filter systems caused liver damage, harmed kids, and started law suits. The fact that she didn&#8217;t warn the lead you gave her, was massively wrong.<br />
In what universe does not warning someone of potential health damage to preserve your rightness, work? She clearly sold an overt product. Any bets on her telling her old clients who were still using this harmful filter that it was bad?<br />
I didn&#8217;t think so.<br />
Someone tried to sell me one. Someone at the Ventura Mission.</p>
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		By: Cindy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cindy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jul 2022 03:31:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/through-the-bubble-lilis-adventures-in-scientologyland-part-23/#comment-489885&quot;&gt;Lili R&lt;/a&gt;.

Yes, her Grade 4, Service Facsimile grade was definitely &quot;out&quot; as she had to be right and couldn&#039;t admit being wrong.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/through-the-bubble-lilis-adventures-in-scientologyland-part-23/#comment-489885">Lili R</a>.</p>
<p>Yes, her Grade 4, Service Facsimile grade was definitely &#8220;out&#8221; as she had to be right and couldn&#8217;t admit being wrong.</p>
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		By: Lili R		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lili R]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jul 2022 00:29:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/through-the-bubble-lilis-adventures-in-scientologyland-part-23/#comment-489843&quot;&gt;Cindy&lt;/a&gt;.

Wow. She quit selling them, but was too chickenshit to answer the lead? Or tell you what was up? That is so Scientology, who says they are the best at Communication. Ha! I love that story.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/through-the-bubble-lilis-adventures-in-scientologyland-part-23/#comment-489843">Cindy</a>.</p>
<p>Wow. She quit selling them, but was too chickenshit to answer the lead? Or tell you what was up? That is so Scientology, who says they are the best at Communication. Ha! I love that story.</p>
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		By: Cindy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cindy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jul 2022 17:10:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/through-the-bubble-lilis-adventures-in-scientologyland-part-23/#comment-489824&quot;&gt;Lily R&lt;/a&gt;.

Yep I remember those things.  My friend started selling the ph altering water filters and leaned on me.  I wouldn&#039;t buy it.  But a year later I ran into someone looking to buy one of those things, so I gave my friend her name and number and said here is a lead, someone who wants to buy your thing.  My friend never called her and the girl got to me and said why isn&#039;t this lady calling me?  So I gave her her number and she called and left many messages and got no call back.  I confronted my friend on this bad way to do business and she said she wasn&#039;t selling the ph water systems anymore.  I asked why and she wouldn&#039;t tell me.  I went to our mutual friend to ask why and he told me that she found out the ph water systems actually harm people and they had class action lawsuits against it.  But my friend could not be wrong and had to be right, so she couldn&#039;t even admit to me she stopped selling it because it didn&#039;t work.  I had to find out from someone else.  But to her credit she did stop selling it.Cindy]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/through-the-bubble-lilis-adventures-in-scientologyland-part-23/#comment-489824">Lily R</a>.</p>
<p>Yep I remember those things.  My friend started selling the ph altering water filters and leaned on me.  I wouldn&#8217;t buy it.  But a year later I ran into someone looking to buy one of those things, so I gave my friend her name and number and said here is a lead, someone who wants to buy your thing.  My friend never called her and the girl got to me and said why isn&#8217;t this lady calling me?  So I gave her her number and she called and left many messages and got no call back.  I confronted my friend on this bad way to do business and she said she wasn&#8217;t selling the ph water systems anymore.  I asked why and she wouldn&#8217;t tell me.  I went to our mutual friend to ask why and he told me that she found out the ph water systems actually harm people and they had class action lawsuits against it.  But my friend could not be wrong and had to be right, so she couldn&#8217;t even admit to me she stopped selling it because it didn&#8217;t work.  I had to find out from someone else.  But to her credit she did stop selling it.Cindy</p>
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		By: Fred Haseney		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Fred Haseney]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jul 2022 14:02:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/through-the-bubble-lilis-adventures-in-scientologyland-part-23/#comment-489518&quot;&gt;xTeamXenu75to03chuckbeatty&lt;/a&gt;.

I got to see your photos, Chuck, thanks for sharing them.

Yes, &quot;good people were lured into holding the forts in the front groups.&quot; That is a keen way of describing those of us who slaved away at places like Narconon, ASI, Sterling Management.

I&#039;m sure glad we&#039;re out, helping to pave the way for future ex-Scientologists.]]></description>
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<p>I got to see your photos, Chuck, thanks for sharing them.</p>
<p>Yes, &#8220;good people were lured into holding the forts in the front groups.&#8221; That is a keen way of describing those of us who slaved away at places like Narconon, ASI, Sterling Management.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure glad we&#8217;re out, helping to pave the way for future ex-Scientologists.</p>
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		By: Lily R		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lily R]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jul 2022 13:30:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/through-the-bubble-lilis-adventures-in-scientologyland-part-23/#comment-489701&quot;&gt;grisianfarce&lt;/a&gt;.

I guess if I were still in someone in the bubble would be flogging bit coin. One of the last hyped BS money making things when I was still in was stem cell vitamins and ph altering water filters.]]></description>
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<p>I guess if I were still in someone in the bubble would be flogging bit coin. One of the last hyped BS money making things when I was still in was stem cell vitamins and ph altering water filters.</p>
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		By: grisianfarce		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[grisianfarce]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jul 2022 12:26:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The latest money making scam is bitcoin and related &quot;crypto&quot; money. Even more wildly unpredictable and even less regulated than the stock market.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The latest money making scam is bitcoin and related &#8220;crypto&#8221; money. Even more wildly unpredictable and even less regulated than the stock market.</p>
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		By: otherles		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[otherles]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jul 2022 05:06:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/through-the-bubble-lilis-adventures-in-scientologyland-part-23/#comment-489500&quot;&gt;Jere Lull&lt;/a&gt;.

I never read anything by LRH but I did read &lt;i&gt;Galaxy 666&lt;/i&gt; by Pel Torro (a.k.a Lionel Fanthorpe).

&lt;i&gt;Having become acclimatized to the pink-tinged light, which gave everywhere a strangely roseate appearance, and which had the effect of lulling their senses into a rather dreamy false security, the four explorers looked down at the ground beneath their feet. The ground beneath their feet was a very odd sort of terrain - - though “terrain” is not, strictly speaking, the kind of word that ought to be used to describe the ground of a planet that was not earth. Like so many of the old earth words, it has crept into the vocabulary of the empire. So they examined the terrain.&lt;/i&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/through-the-bubble-lilis-adventures-in-scientologyland-part-23/#comment-489500">Jere Lull</a>.</p>
<p>I never read anything by LRH but I did read <i>Galaxy 666</i> by Pel Torro (a.k.a Lionel Fanthorpe).</p>
<p><i>Having become acclimatized to the pink-tinged light, which gave everywhere a strangely roseate appearance, and which had the effect of lulling their senses into a rather dreamy false security, the four explorers looked down at the ground beneath their feet. The ground beneath their feet was a very odd sort of terrain &#8211; &#8211; though “terrain” is not, strictly speaking, the kind of word that ought to be used to describe the ground of a planet that was not earth. Like so many of the old earth words, it has crept into the vocabulary of the empire. So they examined the terrain.</i></p>
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