Comments on: Through the Bubble – Lili’s Adventures in Scientologyland Part 24

By: Lili R

Lili R — Mon, 25 Jul 2022 16:40:47 +0000

In reply to Cindy.

I had read about his narcissistic response to the death of Quentin. I’d already read quite a bit about his casual cruelty and how his Admin Tech made it so you couldn’t win and how he started the whole physical punishment on the ships.
But his response to Quentin’s suicide was always the most unforgivable parental failure.
But when I was ‘in’ he was Ron the humble genius. Sigh.

By: Cindy

Cindy — Mon, 25 Jul 2022 07:00:10 +0000

In reply to Lily R. Thanks Lili. And I agree that Ron was not the one to be talking about how to handle your kids. What he put his son, Quentin through resulted in his committing suicide. When Ron was told of it, he said something in ager, like, "Look what you did to me?!' Ron made it about himself and acted as if he was the victim instead of his dead son being the victim.

By: Lily R

Lily R — Mon, 25 Jul 2022 02:13:36 +0000

In reply to Rheva. Indeed, I'm ot of jail!

By: Lily R

Lily R — Mon, 25 Jul 2022 02:12:03 +0000

In reply to Cindy.

I’m sorry that your son got pulled back in Cindy.
We moms really are so hard on ourselves. I appreciate your encouragement not to beat myself up.
My mom would talk about her regrets as a mom and I always said, I turned out fine.
They’re definitely is not a manual. But I really don’t appreciate L Ron Hubbard selling his solutions as the way to handle kids.

By: Lily R

Lily R — Mon, 25 Jul 2022 02:06:16 +0000

In reply to ValR. I adore good teacher stories. Hopefully we all have at least that one teacher who got us.

By: ValR

ValR — Sun, 24 Jul 2022 23:42:25 +0000

In reply to Jere Lull. My son was lucky to have a fifth grade teacher like yours. She walked by his desk one day and, of course with my permission, dropped her checkbook and her bills on his desk and said “since you’ve finished all your work, you have an hour to figure out how to pay these bills.” He figured it out and was engrossed for the entire hour, and now at 42 is a successful non Reed Slatkin type money manager who has me as one of his clients and to keep his mind occupied he sets overachiever goals like this years’ goal 22 mountains of 13,000 feet in 2022. Nine left to go.. I’m so glad I escaped the scientology trap shortly after he was born so he didn’t get indoctrinated. My daughter was 4, so she didn’t remember any of her small amount of indoctrination.

By: Jere Lull

Jere Lull — Sun, 24 Jul 2022 19:48:57 +0000

About Van’s “ADHD”: I’ve a few friends so diagnosed, & I would have been, too, if it had existed at the time. Truthfully, what I was was bored out of my skull without a clue that I still had to act like a respectable student once in a while. On top of that, I HATED hearing the “you’re not working up to your potential.” garbage, so worked at things even less once I figured out the pattern. One teacher, 5th grade, was the guy who took on the
“problem children” like me. He had notarized permission to do what he deemed necessary to get my attention and used it — once. When I ran home crying to Mom about it, she already knew his side of the story so I got no sympathy, only a demand that I behave better to avoid such embarrassment again. He also knew that I needed some sort of carrot, so if I was sufficiently good & did my work, I could sometimes dip into a box of auxiliary reading material he had next to his desk. I LOVED reading —anything and everything — so was a really, really good and conscientious student for the rest of the year, and most of the rest of my schooling by accident, or habit, or whatever. As a Mensa member later, I discovered that we bright kids often exhibit ADD/ADHD behaviors and were similarly bored out of their skulls in school if they weren’t particularly challenged. scientology was designed to appeal to bright people and, I suspect that “study tech” was designed to torment those of us who COULD actually read and understand adequately-written material. That LRH was so JEALOUS of us, I now see, and that ‘tech’ was designed to HIS perceived needs, poor guy. After 42 years of getting away from that trap, I’m still not as able to read for enjoyment as I once was.
Oh, what a tormented life of study he must have led.

By: Cindy

Cindy — Sun, 24 Jul 2022 19:34:17 +0000

In reply to ValR.

Lili, wow, this one hit so close to home. At one point my son also said he didn’t want to be a Scn (even though he attended a Scn school). I let him know that was OK to choose not to practice it. But over time, his sister pulled him back into the church and even onto staff at a Class 5 org.

Don’t beat yourself up for “not helping him” with the ADHD or other things he was going through. He knows that everything you did you did to help him and that you love him. I’m sure he must feel that. The difference between you and the Kool Aid drinkers is that you were smart enough and had high enough confront and had enough of your own mind still intact to be able to look and question at some point. And that is what eventually led you out of the labyrinth. I’m so glad for you that you got out, but also glad you got your whole family out with you. That means the world. You know your actions of leaving were right because now you are all flourishing and prospering, a thing that didn’t happen in the cult for you. Great installment today. Love your writing!

By: Lily R

Lily R — Sun, 24 Jul 2022 19:32:55 +0000

In reply to ValR.

ValR, you made my day. Writing this was cathartic and opened the door to many a discussion while picking the memories apart.
I love you sharing this with your daughter in law.
Thanks for taking the time to comment today.

By: Scott Campbell

Scott Campbell — Sun, 24 Jul 2022 19:04:52 +0000

Karry’s whole family disconnected from us in 2010. I wonder how they’re doing.