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		By: Lili R		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lili R]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Mar 2022 04:03:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/through-the-bubble-lilis-adventures-in-scientologyland-part-5/#comment-461876&quot;&gt;Linear13&lt;/a&gt;.

Such fascinating differences.  Thank you for adding your experience. 
I learn new information every day.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/through-the-bubble-lilis-adventures-in-scientologyland-part-5/#comment-461876">Linear13</a>.</p>
<p>Such fascinating differences.  Thank you for adding your experience.<br />
I learn new information every day.</p>
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		By: Linear13		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Linear13]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Mar 2022 01:43:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/through-the-bubble-lilis-adventures-in-scientologyland-part-5/#comment-461711&quot;&gt;ExScnStaff&lt;/a&gt;.

You must have been in a more ‘liberal’ congregation than the ones I am familiar with here in the Deep South.  Like being an SP I am proudly ‘shunned’ by a good half of my family.  If I walk into a store and see one of them they will walk the other way.  The only communication I have had with them in 20+ years was about the care of our grandparents and it was in a large group.  I have known many disfellowshipped people here who have been surgically removed from their friends and loved ones lives just like they didn’t exist and for some it was too much and they went back.  Granted, like you say, it isn’t that hard to get back into the congregation as it is in Scientology.  Yet to me it seems like the same ‘psychology’ (bad psychology that is) governs them both.  Judicial committees, shunning (disconnection), siphoning of money, thought control…etc etc…now that JW.org is it’s  own TV channel things have gotten even more rigid.  But I would say that different congregations, depending upon the strictness of elders and overseers, can differ wildly.  Which is something that used to be seen in the old days of Scientology (not since DM took over).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/through-the-bubble-lilis-adventures-in-scientologyland-part-5/#comment-461711">ExScnStaff</a>.</p>
<p>You must have been in a more ‘liberal’ congregation than the ones I am familiar with here in the Deep South.  Like being an SP I am proudly ‘shunned’ by a good half of my family.  If I walk into a store and see one of them they will walk the other way.  The only communication I have had with them in 20+ years was about the care of our grandparents and it was in a large group.  I have known many disfellowshipped people here who have been surgically removed from their friends and loved ones lives just like they didn’t exist and for some it was too much and they went back.  Granted, like you say, it isn’t that hard to get back into the congregation as it is in Scientology.  Yet to me it seems like the same ‘psychology’ (bad psychology that is) governs them both.  Judicial committees, shunning (disconnection), siphoning of money, thought control…etc etc…now that JW.org is it’s  own TV channel things have gotten even more rigid.  But I would say that different congregations, depending upon the strictness of elders and overseers, can differ wildly.  Which is something that used to be seen in the old days of Scientology (not since DM took over).</p>
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		By: ExScnStaff		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ExScnStaff]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Mar 2022 18:45:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/through-the-bubble-lilis-adventures-in-scientologyland-part-5/#comment-461800&quot;&gt;Lili R&lt;/a&gt;.

You are welcome.  I don&#039;t think it needs to be edited out, as those are the closest similar ideas that exist even if Scientology&#039;s version is on steroids.

I know for a fact my experience growing up a JW differs quite a bit from what others have described.  I got out in the 80s so four decades for them to have changed.  (The JW policy of keeping child abuse a secret apparently went out to elders a couple years after I was gone, for example.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/through-the-bubble-lilis-adventures-in-scientologyland-part-5/#comment-461800">Lili R</a>.</p>
<p>You are welcome.  I don&#8217;t think it needs to be edited out, as those are the closest similar ideas that exist even if Scientology&#8217;s version is on steroids.</p>
<p>I know for a fact my experience growing up a JW differs quite a bit from what others have described.  I got out in the 80s so four decades for them to have changed.  (The JW policy of keeping child abuse a secret apparently went out to elders a couple years after I was gone, for example.)</p>
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		By: Lili R		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lili R]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Mar 2022 15:25:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/through-the-bubble-lilis-adventures-in-scientologyland-part-5/#comment-461711&quot;&gt;ExScnStaff&lt;/a&gt;.

Thank you for the disfellowshipping education. You and Splunk are very helpful. I&#039;ll edit that out for the next version.
Your personal story is most appreciated.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/through-the-bubble-lilis-adventures-in-scientologyland-part-5/#comment-461711">ExScnStaff</a>.</p>
<p>Thank you for the disfellowshipping education. You and Splunk are very helpful. I&#8217;ll edit that out for the next version.<br />
Your personal story is most appreciated.</p>
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		By: Jere Lull		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jere Lull]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Mar 2022 11:29:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Was there NO big LRH birthday celebration ANYWHERE?   I saw a combination graduation/LRH event swing past some place, but IIRC, every org did a big LRH BD bash unconnected to anything else, though if there were courses and auditing happening, they continued as usual.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Was there NO big LRH birthday celebration ANYWHERE?   I saw a combination graduation/LRH event swing past some place, but IIRC, every org did a big LRH BD bash unconnected to anything else, though if there were courses and auditing happening, they continued as usual.</p>
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		By: ExScnStaff		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ExScnStaff]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Mar 2022 03:27:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/through-the-bubble-lilis-adventures-in-scientologyland-part-5/#comment-461640&quot;&gt;Splunk&lt;/a&gt;.

I can&#039;t speak for Catholic excommunication, but Jehovah&#039;s Witness disfellowshipping is way less nasty than what Scientology does.

My mother was disfellowshipped about halfway through my childhood.  Regular revisions in their Awake magazine would change whether we spent a lot of time with her or minimal time, but never was it as antagonistic, nor as group-enforced, as what Scientology does.

I was disfellowshipped when I was 19.  My father never shut the communication lines; I&#039;m the one who refused to have much to do with him which predated the disfellowshipping.  He did financially bail me out with a loan I repaid at one point.  He did include me in a family portrait the wicked stepmother set up.

I have used &quot;I&#039;m disfellowshipped&quot; to quickly send JWs away when they come up to me, but they aren&#039;t horrified or hateful.  Most are just accepting and continue on to the next person, and a very few ask if I&#039;d like to speak with an elder.  Which is another thing.  Unlike the Scn idiocy of a single terminal who makes themselves as unavailable as possible, disfellowshipped JWs have only to talk to any elder in any congregation expressing their remorse for their actions to begin the process of getting involved again.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/through-the-bubble-lilis-adventures-in-scientologyland-part-5/#comment-461640">Splunk</a>.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t speak for Catholic excommunication, but Jehovah&#8217;s Witness disfellowshipping is way less nasty than what Scientology does.</p>
<p>My mother was disfellowshipped about halfway through my childhood.  Regular revisions in their Awake magazine would change whether we spent a lot of time with her or minimal time, but never was it as antagonistic, nor as group-enforced, as what Scientology does.</p>
<p>I was disfellowshipped when I was 19.  My father never shut the communication lines; I&#8217;m the one who refused to have much to do with him which predated the disfellowshipping.  He did financially bail me out with a loan I repaid at one point.  He did include me in a family portrait the wicked stepmother set up.</p>
<p>I have used &#8220;I&#8217;m disfellowshipped&#8221; to quickly send JWs away when they come up to me, but they aren&#8217;t horrified or hateful.  Most are just accepting and continue on to the next person, and a very few ask if I&#8217;d like to speak with an elder.  Which is another thing.  Unlike the Scn idiocy of a single terminal who makes themselves as unavailable as possible, disfellowshipped JWs have only to talk to any elder in any congregation expressing their remorse for their actions to begin the process of getting involved again.</p>
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		By: Lili R		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/through-the-bubble-lilis-adventures-in-scientologyland-part-5/#comment-461707</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lili R]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Mar 2022 03:08:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/through-the-bubble-lilis-adventures-in-scientologyland-part-5/#comment-461640&quot;&gt;Splunk&lt;/a&gt;.

My bad. My early religious education  consisted of revival tents with grandma and cold, slightly moldy smelling Gothic cathedrals that scared the crap out of me.
 Oh yeah and religious generalizations that people told me that I believed.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/through-the-bubble-lilis-adventures-in-scientologyland-part-5/#comment-461640">Splunk</a>.</p>
<p>My bad. My early religious education  consisted of revival tents with grandma and cold, slightly moldy smelling Gothic cathedrals that scared the crap out of me.<br />
 Oh yeah and religious generalizations that people told me that I believed.</p>
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		By: Lili R		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lili R]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Mar 2022 20:29:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/through-the-bubble-lilis-adventures-in-scientologyland-part-5/#comment-461619&quot;&gt;Leay_is_my_hero&lt;/a&gt;.

Lorna told the Registrar that I&#039;d paid down a bunch of debt. So the Registrar knew I could borrow more. Maybe the Registrars share a list of prospects between them. Maybe that&#039;s why more than one of them  tried to talk to me.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/through-the-bubble-lilis-adventures-in-scientologyland-part-5/#comment-461619">Leay_is_my_hero</a>.</p>
<p>Lorna told the Registrar that I&#8217;d paid down a bunch of debt. So the Registrar knew I could borrow more. Maybe the Registrars share a list of prospects between them. Maybe that&#8217;s why more than one of them  tried to talk to me.</p>
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		By: Splunk		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Splunk]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Mar 2022 19:12:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s a great story and I don&#039;t like to pick - but disconnection is not at all like Catholic excommunication. Very few people are formally excommunicated, and there is no requirement to shun those who are.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a great story and I don&#8217;t like to pick &#8211; but disconnection is not at all like Catholic excommunication. Very few people are formally excommunicated, and there is no requirement to shun those who are.</p>
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		By: Leay_is_my_hero		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Leay_is_my_hero]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Mar 2022 16:46:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[No wonder you stopped taking mom&#039;s advice if that is the kind of advice she gave you.

I can&#039;t blame you. But what was wrong with that auditor? I don&#039;t unnerstand her at all. Not at all.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No wonder you stopped taking mom&#8217;s advice if that is the kind of advice she gave you.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t blame you. But what was wrong with that auditor? I don&#8217;t unnerstand her at all. Not at all.</p>
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