Exactamundo on all, and me too, Brontosaurus Rich 🙂

Aqua – Got it. The sea org recruiters certainly keep a “prospect list” and they would be just as relentless and ruthless as the registrars. I was out out of Scn in 1982 so there would be a lot fewer 2nd gens back then. My Scn experience is much earlier than most people commenting. I’m becoming a dinosaur.

He he he (evil laugh) I KNEW this would bring you out, Wynski.

That said, Ok, my head is spinning from this barrage of in depth facts you’re throwing at me.

I don’t know what GAAP is; I’ll have to look it up.

I don’t think I will concede at this time, but I won’t say you’re wrong either. I’m just not knowledgeable enough to have this conversation, or debate, right now, apparently.

But I will read up on this – the subject interests me, actually because even though I don’t live in California I have a great admiration for the state itself, as well as Californians ( I know that’s a generalization but I truly admire how Californians, as a group, are willing to TRY OUT new things, to give new ideas and concepts at least a CHANCE.)

Anyway, I’ll review your material and do some more reading up and we can continue this another time, if that’s oK with you.

I’m ok with being wrong about California being the 5th largest world economy.

And by the way, thank you for telling me that I’m not using logic.

That is the nicest insult you’ve ever given anyone on this blog, and I appreciate it 🙂

Richard, I personally 100% agree with you. My father taught me to NEVER be ashamed of any work I would have to do, no matter how menial, so long as it was honest. Just do it if you have to, he said, and do it well. And there were times that I did do poorly paying retail work, and restaurant work, because that was all there was. And because of what my father taught me, I was not ashamed.

That said, even though low level retail, fast food, and commission-only sales are all that these kids are qualified to do given their lack of education and training, still, there’s no way they would do it.

These kids’s situations differ from yours in that you voluntarily got into Scientology, and they were born into it.

You had a “before Scientology” life (as I did) and thus you had the ability to make decisions based on a much wider and more diverse life experience.

Also, after their parents spent FORTUNES on their expensive Scn schooling, these kids wouldn’t dream of working in such jobs, even if they are the only jobs they’re qualified to do!

The 20 somethings I knew had families who had businesses. They’d flit in and out working in the family business, doing low level clerical or receptionist work.

Or, some fellow Scientologist friend of their parents would employ them, for a while.

They never stayed in anything for long. They led rather shiftless work lives. Being Scientology STAFF was their “stable datum”. And their helicoptering Scientology parents subsidized them to a great degree. Mom and Dad remained another “stable datum” .

Their lives consisted of growing up as Scientologists, attending Scientology schools, going on staff at their local org, “working” in the family business and continuing to live at home…that’s it. No independent life at all.

By the time the SO came for them they were thoroughly SICK of their lives and themselves and literally BEGGING for change. No way were they going to start out at age 30 at McDonald’s! The Sea Org plucked them like ripe tomatoes off the vine.

I knew 4 of them like this. They resisted at 14, 16, 18, then went on staff. The SO left them alone for a decade, mostly and then came back for them, and got them.

I’m sorry to hear it. I was there a long time ago, just before the dawn of the Haight Ashbury era.. I haven’t been back since. I was very young. I fell in love with San Francisco. The adults had their plans, I was trusted to be on my own so I went all over, walking around, exploring wherever my fancy led me, talking to strangers and getting directions from them in coffee shops and other places, riding the trolleys ,Grant Avenue in Chinatown, Knob Hill, the Golden Gate Bridge, just off the top of my head. Loved it, every neighborhood, loved everything about this city, including the “morning fog” that “chilled the air”. What a great place. Vital, energetic, interesting… I’m sorry it has deteriorated.

Invalidated, Nullified etc. – After an indeterminate number of hours of introspecting on the past in auditing/counselling someone might have no regrets about the past and realize the past has no negative effect on them. To that extent I don’t knock “Clear” but it’s certainly no scientology “miracle”.

I split in 1982 and I have a hard time wrapping my head around how current scientologists can go along with DM’s crazy. That’s religion for you I guess.

… blood on those fangs …

Well done AM. What a powerful image!

ACTUALLY,it doesn’t. You see they are counting ALL revenue made WORLDWIDE by companies like Apple. Apple (and ALL other mega companies in California) bring ZERO $ into the state from out of state and country sales. Apple has a separate corp in a single room suite in Nevada that banks ALL sales and revenue from the other 49 states. This is because CA has some of the worst corp tax rates. So, that 6th largest econ meme is complete garbage in reality. California has an unfunded future debt that under GAAP rules make it all but bankrupt. It has the highest percent of people of ANY state living below the poverty line and the LEAST educated H.S. Grads in the nation. The state has the largest exodus of MIDDLE CLASS working age citizens in the nation. it is NOT mostly retirees. Since 2000 it has lost 3 MILLION middle class 30 something.

As someone who invests in real-estate around the country I get ALL the real info delivered to me regularly. California has NEVER been is worst shape since 1840.

CA has ALWAYS had the best climate but only recently the worst poverty. You aren’t using logic.

Richard – you have to understand the evolution and cycle of a Scientology Clear.
First – you are told you are going to get rid of your reactive mind – ERASE it.

There is the Past life Clear, the dianetic Clear, the Clear Cannibal (an Active Scientologist in good standing who is willing and able to destroy others in the name of L Ron the Con Hubbard) and other versions of the whack job Hubbard’s definition of Clear.

Ole L Ron Hubbard, the liar, could not figure out how to get rid of the reactive mind so he changed the Clear Cognition to “I am creating my own reactive mind but I can stop it and control it” and hence Clear on the 1st dynamic only.

Then Ole Tubbs realized that Clears got sick, needed glasses and became SP’s.

The EP of Scientology is SP.

Hence the newly Clear “Clear” – which means they won’t ask too many questions as to why they have to go broke, get divorced, file bankruptcy, disconnect from sane people they love and do a Bridge to nowhere.

There ain’t no Clears. Just look. There ain’t no OT’s. LOOK! No super powers…. just stupid powers.

The bridge is a circle – you keep going round and round and round and keep starting over with more confusing “data” which Miscavige re names and repackages as GAT I and GAT II.

If you don’t ask any questions and keep giving Scientology money and free labor – you TOO can be A Scientologist in good standing. You become a stupid criminal who wastes their life on an evil cult destroying people.

I was near 30 when I first got started in Scn. Wog life was boring and I was looking for something interesting to do. Scn kept me interested for a few years.

Almost anyone can start off in a low level retail, fast food, sales or other various jobs. If it’s beneath your dignity too bad for you.