I cudt beleve what i was earing is it true that david misgavige when trying buy that building he used waisting of tax being spent as it was getting money of tax-payers lol
I think that if any building owned by scientoligy if a 911 call is made it should go to a pay befor they dispate

I was very moved when paul haggis told his story and that he lost the fake friends but leah remini sin him and spoke to him he seemed so shocked well done leah

I can’t quite picture JC as a rainbow warrior, personally. Certainly not the type you’d see twerking to Beyoncé down the Three Legged Cowboy at 3.00am on a Sunday morning. His admitted purpose was to fulfil the laws of the O/T, not to update or invalidate. For all his lovely, fluffy words about not being judgey, he still believed in the judgiest of scriptures.

To claim “[he] created an enormously positive effect” is similarly specious, imho. Christianity has been both a constructive and destructive force in the world. Its doctrines have brought liberation and oppression, affirmation and exploitation, spiritual emancipation and psychological slavery – all of which continue to this day via the dictates of its most fanatical churches and the actions of their members.

Religionists should be very careful when criticising other religions, imho. What they might believe to be the moral high ground is often just a giant, stinking cowpat of hypocrisy.

Brian, that is a very interesting take on FP’s comment gameplan.
I pictured him sitting at the computer, tone scale poster on the wall to his right, clipboard to his left.
He reads a comment full of specific points. Asks himself, “hmmm, what is the tone level of that commenter?”
Then decides how best to attack their character, since speaking to the atrocious thing they have revealed, or conflicting tech point they may have commented on is clearly out of the question.
So, hmmm. “How best to attack that commenter,” he says to himself while stroking his stubbly chin. He stares at his clipboard. It says, ‘stock comment responses.’
“Well let’s check the response list,” says he. “Ah, let’s do anger.”
Stock Comment Response list item # 64:
‘You clearly have MU’s that have stunted your thetan to such a degree that …. (insert ad hominem phrase).’
That’s how it’s done.
End of daydreaming about FP striking out to protect the ‘tek.’

Merry Christmas Brian! Your beautiful spirit inspires us.

You are no doubt applying the tones scale. Being a true believer you “know as a thetan” that we are low toned. In your Scio-techno-fantasy, you are using the tone scale in hopes of bringing us uptone.

Why wouldn’t you be using it? It would be natural for someone who is always seeing life through the mind of Hubbard.

All of our faults are some kind of mis application, need wire clearing etc.

So you must be stuck in applying the tone scale. You are stuck in a particular tone Foolproof.

Words you write are right out of Scientology fight the SPs central casting.

It’s possible that you are the one being brought up Tone from all of these wonderful folks on Mike’s site.

I wish you well, even if you wish to through a wrench in these posts. I wish you well.

“So, if you don’t just give away things, does that mean that all the poor, over worked, & underpaid, SO slaves can refuse to give up part of their meager pay for a gift to DM this Christmas? That is LRH’s philosophy isn’t it?”

Ha! “Free Service = Free Fall” only applied to the organization and by extension to himself. He certainly didn’t mean it in re his staffers. Once he instituted the proportionate pay plan, he ~counted~ on them being willing to continue to work for free.

A decade later when he knew that at least some people would happily work for free to “make a better world” while he happily pocketed the pay that he otherwise would have had to pay them, he stopped even pretending to care about paying his underlings and instituted the Sea Org. Rank has its privileges!

I have come to think of it as a type of con I think of as “Tom Sawyering”. In the story, Tom Sawyer didn’t want to paint a fence so he pretended like it was a lot of fun and got all of the other kids to do it for him. Hubbard made very very clear in numerous ways that he would NOT work for free. By getting them to do what he would never do himself and wanted to avoid, he was knowingly running a con on them. He was “Tom Sawyering” them.

In Responsibility of Leaders he even condoned use of Machiavellian methods in order to ensure that he did not die honorable yet poor like Simon Bolivar, a TRUE liberator.

Rip – Nice comment. Forthright and honest. I’m not relating this comment to you since you’re doing well but someone else might relate to it. I didn’t experience any abuse in Scn requiring “recovery” but many years later I ended up in the AA Twelve Step Program. An “Old Timer” asked me “Do you have a place to live?” (yes) “Do you have food to eat?” (yes) “Is anyone after you?” (no)

After that came the three most often repeated sayings in AA,
Easy Does It
First Things First
One Step At A Time

The Ex Scientologist Message Board is set up and visited by mostly exes.

Every now and then a question such as yours gets posted – and answered with lots of good advice.

Maybe you can try there.

http://www.forum.exscn.net/