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		By: Chris Black		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Apr 2013 14:03:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Interesting! I audit out of Toronto and once in a while drive by the 696 Yonge St. building. Last news I had was they moved the whole org over to a building a number of blocks away that they leased while they were to do the renos. Funny thing is, one of my pcs helped them do the renos 20 years back!. They&#039;ve been doing renos on that shabby old building (seriously, it&#039;s the worst on the street!) for decades! Another funny thing - my pc was never reimbursed not only for his time, but the material he bought for the renos. On top of that, he was also pressured into donating for the org reno campaign.

These kinds of activities really burn my bum! Seriously, it is so far from LRH it really makes me revisit my breakfast. They spent all this money on re-doing their Div 6 (FART??? What is that? Sounds hilarious, though.) to put in those expensive video terminals that are now out-moded technology. And now it&#039;s boarded up with plywood!!! What a waste of money. So, while the CLOs and management can&#039;t follow policy - at all - they certainly have no problem with &quot;Waste&quot; on the Havingness scale!

And what about that org up in Orangeville? I thought CLO was moving up there, about 80-90 miles or so from the current org. It was to be the new AO for Canada. So what is CLO doing still running Toronto like it is? Is Toronto on a continual bypass?

Only good thing here is I got to see where Karl Bradshaw ended up. Glad to know he&#039;s still alive (bodily, not in mental capacity) but sorry to see he&#039;s so pushing the enemy agenda now. He used to be a good man, a really good man. Too bad. Not to many others I recognize - some, but not a lot.

Thanks for this, Mike. Lot of good comments here. I think more exposure on Canada is good. Like some said, what about Vancouver? Montreal? Quebec? Orangeville? And how did Cambridge get to be a 90% Hu-Man Tarian already? I mean, who bought their building???

Cheers,
Chris Black, Class VIII C/S]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting! I audit out of Toronto and once in a while drive by the 696 Yonge St. building. Last news I had was they moved the whole org over to a building a number of blocks away that they leased while they were to do the renos. Funny thing is, one of my pcs helped them do the renos 20 years back!. They&#8217;ve been doing renos on that shabby old building (seriously, it&#8217;s the worst on the street!) for decades! Another funny thing &#8211; my pc was never reimbursed not only for his time, but the material he bought for the renos. On top of that, he was also pressured into donating for the org reno campaign.</p>
<p>These kinds of activities really burn my bum! Seriously, it is so far from LRH it really makes me revisit my breakfast. They spent all this money on re-doing their Div 6 (FART??? What is that? Sounds hilarious, though.) to put in those expensive video terminals that are now out-moded technology. And now it&#8217;s boarded up with plywood!!! What a waste of money. So, while the CLOs and management can&#8217;t follow policy &#8211; at all &#8211; they certainly have no problem with &#8220;Waste&#8221; on the Havingness scale!</p>
<p>And what about that org up in Orangeville? I thought CLO was moving up there, about 80-90 miles or so from the current org. It was to be the new AO for Canada. So what is CLO doing still running Toronto like it is? Is Toronto on a continual bypass?</p>
<p>Only good thing here is I got to see where Karl Bradshaw ended up. Glad to know he&#8217;s still alive (bodily, not in mental capacity) but sorry to see he&#8217;s so pushing the enemy agenda now. He used to be a good man, a really good man. Too bad. Not to many others I recognize &#8211; some, but not a lot.</p>
<p>Thanks for this, Mike. Lot of good comments here. I think more exposure on Canada is good. Like some said, what about Vancouver? Montreal? Quebec? Orangeville? And how did Cambridge get to be a 90% Hu-Man Tarian already? I mean, who bought their building???</p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
Chris Black, Class VIII C/S</p>
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		By: CupOfTea		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Apr 2013 03:23:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t usually post on Indie blogs but I couldn&#039;t resist sharing this one with you: The quote from Ram Jagdat above could be amended by 1 word as this: &quot;When we look back at this period of history, in the cons to come, we would want to know that we truly helped!&quot; Quite good eh? Had me laughing at my own joke. I recently saw a video of an IAS fundraising event and was not surprised to see the names of severaI people that I knew of old and thought &quot;yeah, they&#039;d be the types to be browbeaten down and to go along with this scam&quot;. It seems that the remaining people in the Church must really be the scrapings of the bottom of a very worn out barrel, I am actually not sorry to say, as they are in Treason as a condition for putting up with this robbery.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t usually post on Indie blogs but I couldn&#8217;t resist sharing this one with you: The quote from Ram Jagdat above could be amended by 1 word as this: &#8220;When we look back at this period of history, in the cons to come, we would want to know that we truly helped!&#8221; Quite good eh? Had me laughing at my own joke. I recently saw a video of an IAS fundraising event and was not surprised to see the names of severaI people that I knew of old and thought &#8220;yeah, they&#8217;d be the types to be browbeaten down and to go along with this scam&#8221;. It seems that the remaining people in the Church must really be the scrapings of the bottom of a very worn out barrel, I am actually not sorry to say, as they are in Treason as a condition for putting up with this robbery.</p>
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		By: Phil Bruemmer		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Apr 2013 23:11:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Oops, I meant to type crim, not crime.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops, I meant to type crim, not crime.</p>
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		By: Phil Bruemmer		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Apr 2013 23:09:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I gotta wonder if good old Alan felt like a genius the next morning.
The crime standing next to him looks like she can&#039;t wait for the ceremony to be over so she can get onto the next fool.
She gotta keep turning tricks so she make the quota.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I gotta wonder if good old Alan felt like a genius the next morning.<br />
The crime standing next to him looks like she can&#8217;t wait for the ceremony to be over so she can get onto the next fool.<br />
She gotta keep turning tricks so she make the quota.</p>
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		By: Anette Iren Johansen (OT22)		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Apr 2013 20:01:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/toronto-ideal-org-bust/#comment-1293&quot;&gt;Wendy Honnor&lt;/a&gt;.

WOW Wendy! Great on your program! Very much needed! I will catch up with you regarding this. I have plans in that same area: POST CULT TRAUMA RELIEF. You&#039;ll hear more soon.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/toronto-ideal-org-bust/#comment-1293">Wendy Honnor</a>.</p>
<p>WOW Wendy! Great on your program! Very much needed! I will catch up with you regarding this. I have plans in that same area: POST CULT TRAUMA RELIEF. You&#8217;ll hear more soon.</p>
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		By: Rick Mycroft		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Apr 2013 18:55:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/toronto-ideal-org-bust/#comment-1321&quot;&gt;Espiritu&lt;/a&gt;.

There have been christian churches that split off from their main church, and (after legal fights) took their building with them. They were able to show that the building and all the upkeep and maintenance were paid for by the local congregation.

Not that I expect the Toronto Org to hoist the Jolly Rodger and break away any time soon--just that while Building Management Services (Miscavige) holds the paper on the building, they have a huge vulnerable spot in their scam.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/toronto-ideal-org-bust/#comment-1321">Espiritu</a>.</p>
<p>There have been christian churches that split off from their main church, and (after legal fights) took their building with them. They were able to show that the building and all the upkeep and maintenance were paid for by the local congregation.</p>
<p>Not that I expect the Toronto Org to hoist the Jolly Rodger and break away any time soon&#8211;just that while Building Management Services (Miscavige) holds the paper on the building, they have a huge vulnerable spot in their scam.</p>
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		By: Rick Mycroft		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Apr 2013 17:34:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/toronto-ideal-org-bust/#comment-1312&quot;&gt;The Oracle&lt;/a&gt;.

Between the cost of the temporary org building and the renovations, I don&#039;t see how they can swing it barring some money miracle like the one that somehow produced the Cambridge Idle Org. (No way did they raise that money in the Kitchener area, or even all Ontario.) The Toronto org building has a sway problem in high winds that eventually cracks all the windows, and I doubt that they can fix that. (When they did their half-hearted renovation in 2005, they fixed all the windows. A year later, there were cracked windows everywhere.)

I&#039;m still expecting that there will be a sudden change of plans, they sell off the Org property to condo developers for a ton of cash, part of the cash is used to Ideal Org-ize the &quot;temporary&quot; org building, and the rest of it disappears down Miscavige&#039;s rabbit hole.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/toronto-ideal-org-bust/#comment-1312">The Oracle</a>.</p>
<p>Between the cost of the temporary org building and the renovations, I don&#8217;t see how they can swing it barring some money miracle like the one that somehow produced the Cambridge Idle Org. (No way did they raise that money in the Kitchener area, or even all Ontario.) The Toronto org building has a sway problem in high winds that eventually cracks all the windows, and I doubt that they can fix that. (When they did their half-hearted renovation in 2005, they fixed all the windows. A year later, there were cracked windows everywhere.)</p>
<p>I&#8217;m still expecting that there will be a sudden change of plans, they sell off the Org property to condo developers for a ton of cash, part of the cash is used to Ideal Org-ize the &#8220;temporary&#8221; org building, and the rest of it disappears down Miscavige&#8217;s rabbit hole.</p>
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		By: Seth		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Apr 2013 16:43:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[What happened to Montreal Org?  Or the first Idle Org in Canada, Quebec City???  All the other orgs in Can helped Quebec!

It&#039;s about time you get your own blog, you&#039;re such an able writer. Love the updates on the current scene. It boggles the mind how anyone can still be there.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What happened to Montreal Org?  Or the first Idle Org in Canada, Quebec City???  All the other orgs in Can helped Quebec!</p>
<p>It&#8217;s about time you get your own blog, you&#8217;re such an able writer. Love the updates on the current scene. It boggles the mind how anyone can still be there.</p>
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		By: Benjamin Cisco		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Apr 2013 16:12:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The best part of this recent leak from Toronto is that it&#039;s always the same old families and only a few of them willing to go in for this latest debacle.  Remember when the Pateropolous and Standish families used to have all of their members there?  Now it&#039;s a few oldtimers cause the kids have blown.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The best part of this recent leak from Toronto is that it&#8217;s always the same old families and only a few of them willing to go in for this latest debacle.  Remember when the Pateropolous and Standish families used to have all of their members there?  Now it&#8217;s a few oldtimers cause the kids have blown.</p>
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		By: Benjamin Cisco		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Apr 2013 16:07:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thanks for posting that pic.  The boarded up org looks as busy as the temp org on Peter Street.  Love it!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for posting that pic.  The boarded up org looks as busy as the temp org on Peter Street.  Love it!</p>
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