I remember Stat Push when a friend of mine was just starting in Scientology. It was in NY around 1970. Fresh out of hippiedom and being only 17 he came to course stoned on pot. He already knew about OTs and powers and we talked about it so much. We believed in all of it and “knew it was the truth.” I was 18 at the time.

Well the head of the mission saw my friend stoned on course and took him aside and said,”are you stoned?!”. My friend did not know or forgot that he could not be stoned. He said,”why yes I am.”

The mission holder was OT7 and said to my friend a little anoyed,” I’m putting you in a lower condition!”

My friend thought that this OT was going to change him into a frog or something. He was really afraid of him, until he found out what he really meant.

I think sometimes what really sticks us to weird teachings or any teaching, is this inherent feeling within that, there is truth to the idea of attaining a happy liberated life though self effort and right practice.

It is my faith and knowledge that this is true.

I agree Aqua. That is how decent people act and live.
But Ron lied and literally gave the reason why he lies.
I know decent people try to justify Ron because they cannot evoke the concept that they have been had, conned by his false biography and promises.

Don’t be cruel with the truth………

Of course Aqua!

But these writings from Ron are more deviant than that.

The highest attainment to truth is to attain illusion???????

Can you conceptualize what that really means??

Maybe this is true for an artist. But not a philosophy of life for Christ sakes!

This one statement is the essence of insanity.

Read the definitions of “highest” “truth” and “illusion.”

The is not a philosophic statement of a truth seeker. No way no how.

This is the philosophy of a congenital liar.

This statement, not Ron’s “My Philosophy” is Ron’s true philosophy.

He attacked critics he did not love them. So we can call that hypocrisy or a lie. He did not follow that.

But we now know him to be a proven liar about most of his life.

Ron lied and considered lying a life style, a way to make life interesting. And a way to make money.

As a seeker of truth, I seek to dispel illusions. I do not hold illusions up on a pedistal as the highest attainment of truth.

Attaining Illusions as the highest truth is madness. It is a dangerous teaching.

It is pure ignorance: stupidity

“Ron put an ape in all of our taxis and made it suppressive to turn around to verify.”

BAM. That’s the whole goddamned thing summed up in one sentence.

You’re also a very good and sweet person at heart, Aqua, which is why I believe you (and anyone who shuns you is on the wrong side, period). But the CoS party line on homosexuals is pretty clear, considering CoS’s support of Proposition 8, the contents of the DM letter at Ortega’s yesterday, the treatment of Debbie Cook when she was in the Hole, and the Sea Org’s treatment of Derek Bloch when he was in (not to mention taking a half million dollars off of Michael Pattinson while promising him a “pray the gay away” revelation at every level up to and including OTVIII). If you’re looking for something less recent, there’s the treatment of John McMaster and what happened to poor Quentin, and LRH’s fingerprints are all over those two situations.

I have more reasons than that to hate Scientology as a philosophy, as most people here know, but Hubbard telling the world that the Pink Triangle and the half-million of my tribe killed in the camps was acceptable five years after the end of WWII is the most audacious of them.

Aqua, if you haven’t already read it, check out Jeff Augustine’s article on the subject of disposal:

http://scientologymoneyproject.com/2015/02/02/the-church-of-scientology-is-a-genocidal-master-race-cult/

Hubbard uses two words in SOS, “deletion” and “destroyed”, the latter commonly associated with removing vermin. He softens it with “quarantined”, but how do you think this would be applied if scientology controlled territory like the Juche cult does (North Korea)?

I guess that there is chum in the water and the LRH hating sharks are in a frenzy again.
That LRH quote was written or spoken in 1952.
Obviously, there is no way that it could have referred to Solo Nots completions, because those levels would not be developed for decades so, obviously the opinion he expressed had nothing to do with Solo Nots.
Just as obviously, the bubble dwellers who wrote that promo and said that LRH said this did not care what he was really saying. Kind of like the “Ideal Org” bull shit which has absolutely nothing to do with what is said in the policy “Ideal Orgs”.
And the same goes for the bubble dwellers who BELIEVE that he was saying that because someone “higher up” said so.
But, at the same time, it is also true for anyone posting on this site who is attacking LRH as having said this who BELIEVES that LRH was saying that based on the soundbite quote and the comments of others.
“Believing” is, after all “believing” no matter who is the believer.

Can I hear an “AMEN”, brothers and sisters?

I like your 2, Aquamarine, as I usually do. I think it’s worth, I dunno, at least 8. 😉

AND that is what little Dave is missing. Missing the point altogether.

Or a cell in Joliet prison, without the Blues Brothers, Newcomer.