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		By: Gus Cox		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/valley-otc-3/#comment-78193</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2015 02:36:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/valley-otc-3/#comment-77966&quot;&gt;Espiando&lt;/a&gt;.

I live for the day I see a mugshot of Grant Cardone.  Better yet, his trophies getting auctioned off on eBay like his fellow in douchebaggery Richie Acunto.  C&#039;mon Grant, up your status!!!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/valley-otc-3/#comment-77966">Espiando</a>.</p>
<p>I live for the day I see a mugshot of Grant Cardone.  Better yet, his trophies getting auctioned off on eBay like his fellow in douchebaggery Richie Acunto.  C&#8217;mon Grant, up your status!!!</p>
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		By: Jens TINGLEFF		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/valley-otc-3/#comment-78094</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2015 08:26:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/valley-otc-3/#comment-77961&quot;&gt;Wayne Borean aka The Mad Hatter&lt;/a&gt;.

Don&#039;t know what practise is today, but back in the 1980s it was accepted that money for courses got paid into personal bank accounts of the mission holder (in the Lyon France mission). What could possibly go wrong? http://www.tingleff.org/jensting/muslinger/lyon_verd.html page 39

At least Captain David &quot;he is NOT insane!&quot; Miscavige can trust all the clams explicitly.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/valley-otc-3/#comment-77961">Wayne Borean aka The Mad Hatter</a>.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t know what practise is today, but back in the 1980s it was accepted that money for courses got paid into personal bank accounts of the mission holder (in the Lyon France mission). What could possibly go wrong? <a href="http://www.tingleff.org/jensting/muslinger/lyon_verd.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.tingleff.org/jensting/muslinger/lyon_verd.html</a> page 39</p>
<p>At least Captain David &#8220;he is NOT insane!&#8221; Miscavige can trust all the clams explicitly.</p>
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		By: cindy		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/valley-otc-3/#comment-78092</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2015 07:43:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/valley-otc-3/#comment-78085&quot;&gt;Nickname&lt;/a&gt;.

Exactly, Nickname.  And let&#039;s not forget one&#039;s own integrity.  It is out integrity to know there is something rotten in Denmark and not look further and act on it.  It is out integrity to stay in a criminal group when you know they are criminal.  It is out integrity to refuse to look in the first place.  How much case gain can a person get when their integrity doesn&#039;t exist anymore?  None.  So all the sacrifice the person did for the Bridge is for naught when they throw their integrity away.

The price of freedom:  &quot;Constant vigilance and a willingness to fight back.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/valley-otc-3/#comment-78085">Nickname</a>.</p>
<p>Exactly, Nickname.  And let&#8217;s not forget one&#8217;s own integrity.  It is out integrity to know there is something rotten in Denmark and not look further and act on it.  It is out integrity to stay in a criminal group when you know they are criminal.  It is out integrity to refuse to look in the first place.  How much case gain can a person get when their integrity doesn&#8217;t exist anymore?  None.  So all the sacrifice the person did for the Bridge is for naught when they throw their integrity away.</p>
<p>The price of freedom:  &#8220;Constant vigilance and a willingness to fight back.&#8221;</p>
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		By: RLR		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/valley-otc-3/#comment-78088</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2015 05:49:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/valley-otc-3/#comment-77999&quot;&gt;I Yawnalot&lt;/a&gt;.

I was on the OT committee at CC Int in the mid to late 90&#039;s. It hadn&#039;t taken hold yet.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/valley-otc-3/#comment-77999">I Yawnalot</a>.</p>
<p>I was on the OT committee at CC Int in the mid to late 90&#8217;s. It hadn&#8217;t taken hold yet.</p>
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		By: RLR		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/valley-otc-3/#comment-78087</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2015 05:43:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/valley-otc-3/#comment-77978&quot;&gt;zana&lt;/a&gt;.

That tired old phrase &quot;outflow equals inflow&quot; springs to mind. Funny they even managed to squirrel that too. LRH said &quot;outflow is more holy and more remunerative than inflow&quot;. Trust them to screw even the simplest policy letter up.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/valley-otc-3/#comment-77978">zana</a>.</p>
<p>That tired old phrase &#8220;outflow equals inflow&#8221; springs to mind. Funny they even managed to squirrel that too. LRH said &#8220;outflow is more holy and more remunerative than inflow&#8221;. Trust them to screw even the simplest policy letter up.</p>
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		By: Nickname		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2015 04:50:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/valley-otc-3/#comment-77996&quot;&gt;I Yawnalot&lt;/a&gt;.

It boggles my mind to think that someone would be afraid to be free. Perhaps &quot;freedom&quot; has not been adequately defined, and &quot;personal ethics&quot; needs to be added as part of it all, as the center of it all. One&#039;s own self-determinism.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/valley-otc-3/#comment-77996">I Yawnalot</a>.</p>
<p>It boggles my mind to think that someone would be afraid to be free. Perhaps &#8220;freedom&#8221; has not been adequately defined, and &#8220;personal ethics&#8221; needs to be added as part of it all, as the center of it all. One&#8217;s own self-determinism.</p>
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		By: Aquamarine		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/valley-otc-3/#comment-78047</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2015 21:26:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/valley-otc-3/#comment-78036&quot;&gt;John Locke&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;It&#039;s just the OTC circle jerk&quot;.  Based on what my org looked like before I eased on down the road, that would be correct.  The halls were echoing and it wasn&#039;t a big building.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/valley-otc-3/#comment-78036">John Locke</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;It&#8217;s just the OTC circle jerk&#8221;.  Based on what my org looked like before I eased on down the road, that would be correct.  The halls were echoing and it wasn&#8217;t a big building.</p>
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		By: Aquamarine		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/valley-otc-3/#comment-78046</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2015 21:14:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/valley-otc-3/#comment-77954&quot;&gt;Davids&lt;/a&gt;.

Davids, we all live and hopefully learn.  

In innocence, in trust, or in the belief that no-one could ever mean us any real harm, we have all been gamed or conned in various ways. 

 After being conned, most of us increased our confront of evil and were more alert to the indicators of lying, swindling, scamming, cheating, etc.,  then we were before. 

But some people never learn, never wake up, and keep getting screwed and taken in and conned again and again and again.  

The truth is right in front of them, the indicators are there, and they even have their own experience to review,  but they will not look; instead they twist and turn away, make explanations, and keep being victims. 

There&#039;s an old saying: &quot;Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me&quot;.  Now, that&#039;s a bit harsh, so I would amend it to say, &quot;Fool me twice, shame on you&quot;.

PT Barnum said this: &quot;Never give a sucker an even break&quot;.

The old timers who are Still Ins are not looking - lets leave it at that.  For whatever their reasons, they&#039;re not looking at what&#039;s right in front of them,  and they are inviting David Miscavige to keep screwing them out of their time and their money, for starters.  They know policy and explain it away.  I&#039;ve personally experienced long term Still Ins explain why LRH policy is not being followed.  Lame excuses. 

Sorry, Davids, but I don&#039;t feel sad for them anymore.  I&#039;m with Espiando and PT Barnum on this.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/valley-otc-3/#comment-77954">Davids</a>.</p>
<p>Davids, we all live and hopefully learn.  </p>
<p>In innocence, in trust, or in the belief that no-one could ever mean us any real harm, we have all been gamed or conned in various ways. </p>
<p> After being conned, most of us increased our confront of evil and were more alert to the indicators of lying, swindling, scamming, cheating, etc.,  then we were before. </p>
<p>But some people never learn, never wake up, and keep getting screwed and taken in and conned again and again and again.  </p>
<p>The truth is right in front of them, the indicators are there, and they even have their own experience to review,  but they will not look; instead they twist and turn away, make explanations, and keep being victims. </p>
<p>There&#8217;s an old saying: &#8220;Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me&#8221;.  Now, that&#8217;s a bit harsh, so I would amend it to say, &#8220;Fool me twice, shame on you&#8221;.</p>
<p>PT Barnum said this: &#8220;Never give a sucker an even break&#8221;.</p>
<p>The old timers who are Still Ins are not looking &#8211; lets leave it at that.  For whatever their reasons, they&#8217;re not looking at what&#8217;s right in front of them,  and they are inviting David Miscavige to keep screwing them out of their time and their money, for starters.  They know policy and explain it away.  I&#8217;ve personally experienced long term Still Ins explain why LRH policy is not being followed.  Lame excuses. </p>
<p>Sorry, Davids, but I don&#8217;t feel sad for them anymore.  I&#8217;m with Espiando and PT Barnum on this.</p>
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		By: John Locke		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/valley-otc-3/#comment-78036</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2015 19:27:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/valley-otc-3/#comment-78000&quot;&gt;Hallie Jane&lt;/a&gt;.

Don&#039;t worry about it H. Jane.  There are no public in the orgs to &quot;scam&quot;.  It&#039;s just the OTC circle jerk. The real # of ACTIVE public in the U.S. is not even worth counting these days.

  Anyone who wants to (and believes) that there is any kind of real market for El Con&#039;s tech, can open their own &quot;Org&quot; and sell &#038; deliver to their hearts content...  (the dirty little secret is, most know there is no market)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/valley-otc-3/#comment-78000">Hallie Jane</a>.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t worry about it H. Jane.  There are no public in the orgs to &#8220;scam&#8221;.  It&#8217;s just the OTC circle jerk. The real # of ACTIVE public in the U.S. is not even worth counting these days.</p>
<p>  Anyone who wants to (and believes) that there is any kind of real market for El Con&#8217;s tech, can open their own &#8220;Org&#8221; and sell &amp; deliver to their hearts content&#8230;  (the dirty little secret is, most know there is no market)</p>
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		By: Aquamarine		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2015 18:48:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/valley-otc-3/#comment-78000&quot;&gt;Hallie Jane&lt;/a&gt;.

What Hallie Jane just said.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/valley-otc-3/#comment-78000">Hallie Jane</a>.</p>
<p>What Hallie Jane just said.</p>
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