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		By: Mike Rinder		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/valley-otc-minutes/#comment-64236</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Rinder]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2014 15:13:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/valley-otc-minutes/#comment-64226&quot;&gt;jennisi&lt;/a&gt;.

Fair comment. My apologies.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/valley-otc-minutes/#comment-64226">jennisi</a>.</p>
<p>Fair comment. My apologies.</p>
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		By: jennisi		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/valley-otc-minutes/#comment-64226</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2014 14:30:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I have to say that I resent the implications of the photo of the knitting club. Knitting Clubs are GOOD and I belonged to one in Oklahoma City. These are a fine bunch of women and they are producing something useful.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to say that I resent the implications of the photo of the knitting club. Knitting Clubs are GOOD and I belonged to one in Oklahoma City. These are a fine bunch of women and they are producing something useful.</p>
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		By: Tony DePhillips		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/valley-otc-minutes/#comment-64049</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tony DePhillips]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2014 15:51:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Does this mean that one or more of the OTC members are on our side?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does this mean that one or more of the OTC members are on our side?</p>
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		By: Swampland4Sale		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/valley-otc-minutes/#comment-64048</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2014 15:51:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/valley-otc-minutes/#comment-63920&quot;&gt;Bystander&lt;/a&gt;.

Hiatus57 I too have noticed that.  They escape one totalitarian regime (snc) and want to jump into a similar paradigm (socialism, Marxism, et al).  Not completely surprising as most are Boomers who help such unarguably, completely failed ideologies in high regard as young adults.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/valley-otc-minutes/#comment-63920">Bystander</a>.</p>
<p>Hiatus57 I too have noticed that.  They escape one totalitarian regime (snc) and want to jump into a similar paradigm (socialism, Marxism, et al).  Not completely surprising as most are Boomers who help such unarguably, completely failed ideologies in high regard as young adults.</p>
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		By: Espiritu		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/valley-otc-minutes/#comment-64042</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2014 08:14:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hi Chuck,

I agree with the sentiments that you expressed, but then you said, &quot;Getting the whole movement to act more decently has to come down from the top...&quot; . 
I do not think that is true at all. 
We ARE the movement and we can simply act more decently ourselves and apply the Tech purely ourselves. No one can stop us from practicing our religion.  Sure, it would be wonderful if a couple of orgs would secede from the CO$ or a bunch of SO execs would grow a pair and frog-march the suppressive twerp out of the organization, repercussions be damned. 
Having a large central organization can be helpful in creating an impact on the world. But smaller groups and organizations can do so also. More and more people are seeing that what is being created by the CO$ is is off purpose and out tech. More and more people are noticing that this organization&#039;s current leadership is destroying Scientology&#039;s reputation by pretending to practice the subject while putting out an adulterated product, and being blatantly money motivated. Hopefully, all of these people will not become so disillusioned that they abandon the spiritual purposes they discovered in the subject of Scientology. One can help others by delivering Scientology to other people in  our world with or without the approval of the CO$.  More and more Scientologists are doing so every day and maintaining their standardness despite the CO$ squirrelling, as well as their priceless integrity.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Chuck,</p>
<p>I agree with the sentiments that you expressed, but then you said, &#8220;Getting the whole movement to act more decently has to come down from the top&#8230;&#8221; .<br />
I do not think that is true at all.<br />
We ARE the movement and we can simply act more decently ourselves and apply the Tech purely ourselves. No one can stop us from practicing our religion.  Sure, it would be wonderful if a couple of orgs would secede from the CO$ or a bunch of SO execs would grow a pair and frog-march the suppressive twerp out of the organization, repercussions be damned.<br />
Having a large central organization can be helpful in creating an impact on the world. But smaller groups and organizations can do so also. More and more people are seeing that what is being created by the CO$ is is off purpose and out tech. More and more people are noticing that this organization&#8217;s current leadership is destroying Scientology&#8217;s reputation by pretending to practice the subject while putting out an adulterated product, and being blatantly money motivated. Hopefully, all of these people will not become so disillusioned that they abandon the spiritual purposes they discovered in the subject of Scientology. One can help others by delivering Scientology to other people in  our world with or without the approval of the CO$.  More and more Scientologists are doing so every day and maintaining their standardness despite the CO$ squirrelling, as well as their priceless integrity.</p>
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		By: Hiatus57		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/valley-otc-minutes/#comment-64035</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2014 02:13:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/valley-otc-minutes/#comment-63920&quot;&gt;Bystander&lt;/a&gt;.

Not agreeing with the current state of Scn under the Dwarf but why the hell should society as is loosely called be entitled to any money from Scn.

people wrongly regged, tricked into debt or sold bad Tech of course but the general society should get nothing.

Socialism never worked and never will, seems a lot of ex Scn,s are reading Marxist pap instead of getting on with their solo courses.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/valley-otc-minutes/#comment-63920">Bystander</a>.</p>
<p>Not agreeing with the current state of Scn under the Dwarf but why the hell should society as is loosely called be entitled to any money from Scn.</p>
<p>people wrongly regged, tricked into debt or sold bad Tech of course but the general society should get nothing.</p>
<p>Socialism never worked and never will, seems a lot of ex Scn,s are reading Marxist pap instead of getting on with their solo courses.</p>
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		By: Zephyr		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/valley-otc-minutes/#comment-64001</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zephyr]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2014 19:47:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[If the current OTC members were actually knitting -yes, I mean, sorry, men and women- they  would at least be warm when they can&#039;t pay their heating bills anymore.
Greta]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the current OTC members were actually knitting -yes, I mean, sorry, men and women- they  would at least be warm when they can&#8217;t pay their heating bills anymore.<br />
Greta</p>
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		By: Zephyr		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/valley-otc-minutes/#comment-64000</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zephyr]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2014 19:40:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/valley-otc-minutes/#comment-63906&quot;&gt;MJ&lt;/a&gt;.

MJ,
Thanks for the good laugh re &quot;Yes, I shit you not&quot;, undeniably MJ style...
Greta]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/valley-otc-minutes/#comment-63906">MJ</a>.</p>
<p>MJ,<br />
Thanks for the good laugh re &#8220;Yes, I shit you not&#8221;, undeniably MJ style&#8230;<br />
Greta</p>
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		By: babybunker		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/valley-otc-minutes/#comment-63987</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[babybunker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2014 18:47:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/valley-otc-minutes/#comment-63917&quot;&gt;Cars&lt;/a&gt;.

Hey Cars.. xox baby]]></description>
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<p>Hey Cars.. xox baby</p>
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		By: thegman77		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/valley-otc-minutes/#comment-63953</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[thegman77]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2014 12:17:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/valley-otc-minutes/#comment-63933&quot;&gt;cindy&lt;/a&gt;.

Very good point.  Dinky Dotty Dave can no longer trust ANYONE.  Loyal member one day, reaches the breaking point the next, internal spy issuing leaks aplenty.  Bless them!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/valley-otc-minutes/#comment-63933">cindy</a>.</p>
<p>Very good point.  Dinky Dotty Dave can no longer trust ANYONE.  Loyal member one day, reaches the breaking point the next, internal spy issuing leaks aplenty.  Bless them!</p>
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