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		By: Golden Era Parachute		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Golden Era Parachute]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Mar 2021 23:34:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/were-open-sort-of/#comment-385842&quot;&gt;PeaceMaker&lt;/a&gt;.

PM - Well, first off, it is a mission. From experience, once they get a new person, the vultures come-a-flocking to drag the newbie to an Org. These FSMs feed off the missions in a parasitic fashion, and that type of abuse goes all the way up the chain with Orgs getting poached for staff and public for Sea Org and Flag respectively. It&#039;s one big feeding frenzy in Scientology, and I wouldn&#039;t necessarily say that a failing mission is indicative of the health of the overall Church. The fish eat each other in this Game, where nobody ever wins because their Dynamic is marginalized for the &#039;greater good&#039;, which is not some abstract idea but the greedy nickname of the Chairman of the Board himself. 

This is what happens when a Game is mocked up based on Survival. A loser take all phenomena, and by loser I mean greedy bastard.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/were-open-sort-of/#comment-385842">PeaceMaker</a>.</p>
<p>PM &#8211; Well, first off, it is a mission. From experience, once they get a new person, the vultures come-a-flocking to drag the newbie to an Org. These FSMs feed off the missions in a parasitic fashion, and that type of abuse goes all the way up the chain with Orgs getting poached for staff and public for Sea Org and Flag respectively. It&#8217;s one big feeding frenzy in Scientology, and I wouldn&#8217;t necessarily say that a failing mission is indicative of the health of the overall Church. The fish eat each other in this Game, where nobody ever wins because their Dynamic is marginalized for the &#8216;greater good&#8217;, which is not some abstract idea but the greedy nickname of the Chairman of the Board himself. </p>
<p>This is what happens when a Game is mocked up based on Survival. A loser take all phenomena, and by loser I mean greedy bastard.</p>
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		By: KatherineINCali		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2021 15:39:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/were-open-sort-of/#comment-385733&quot;&gt;Skyler23&lt;/a&gt;.

And the smell of fear and paranoia... among other things.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/were-open-sort-of/#comment-385733">Skyler23</a>.</p>
<p>And the smell of fear and paranoia&#8230; among other things.</p>
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		By: PeaceMaker		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/were-open-sort-of/#comment-385844</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2021 21:18:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/were-open-sort-of/#comment-385671&quot;&gt;Dotey OT&lt;/a&gt;.

Dotey, thanks for the skinny about your local org.  I think a lot of us were suspicious that the pandemic would break the hold of Scientology on some of their members, and it&#039;s particularly interesting to hear that seems to be happening with regulars and not just some of the more tenuous hangers-on.

Hopefully we will get more insider reports about what&#039;s going on at various orgs.  I&#039;m particularly curious about just what is causing people to drop away, and while it seems obvious that quite a few members would just have time and breathing room to reflect on their involvement, I&#039;m curious about whether some have gotten caught up in other involvements like Qanon.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/were-open-sort-of/#comment-385671">Dotey OT</a>.</p>
<p>Dotey, thanks for the skinny about your local org.  I think a lot of us were suspicious that the pandemic would break the hold of Scientology on some of their members, and it&#8217;s particularly interesting to hear that seems to be happening with regulars and not just some of the more tenuous hangers-on.</p>
<p>Hopefully we will get more insider reports about what&#8217;s going on at various orgs.  I&#8217;m particularly curious about just what is causing people to drop away, and while it seems obvious that quite a few members would just have time and breathing room to reflect on their involvement, I&#8217;m curious about whether some have gotten caught up in other involvements like Qanon.</p>
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		By: PeaceMaker		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/were-open-sort-of/#comment-385842</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2021 21:10:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/were-open-sort-of/#comment-385743&quot;&gt;Golden Era Parachute&lt;/a&gt;.

GAP, Foothills is a particularly active, or at least ambitious, mission, as we&#039;ve seen from the promo pieces that they churn out including for activities not obviously tied to Scientology (but probaby covert recruiting) like dances at the studio in the same building complex.  So they&#039;re an interesting case to watch.  For example:

https://www.mikerindersblog.org/making-an-ideal-world/

https://www.mikerindersblog.org/tag/foothills-msn/

They apparently have a very energetic mission holder, who I&#039;m guessing may even have deep enough pockets to help things going.  Since they seem to occupy a relatively large space but have minimal clientele, I thought they might be one of the locations that wouldn&#039;t survive the pandemic - and it still remains to be seen what the fallout from that is.  They are a bit of a bellweather, whose attempts to reopen are worth keeping an eye on as a gauge of what might be going on elsewhere in Scientology.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/were-open-sort-of/#comment-385743">Golden Era Parachute</a>.</p>
<p>GAP, Foothills is a particularly active, or at least ambitious, mission, as we&#8217;ve seen from the promo pieces that they churn out including for activities not obviously tied to Scientology (but probaby covert recruiting) like dances at the studio in the same building complex.  So they&#8217;re an interesting case to watch.  For example:</p>
<p><a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/making-an-ideal-world/" rel="ugc">https://www.mikerindersblog.org/making-an-ideal-world/</a></p>
<p><a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/tag/foothills-msn/" rel="ugc">https://www.mikerindersblog.org/tag/foothills-msn/</a></p>
<p>They apparently have a very energetic mission holder, who I&#8217;m guessing may even have deep enough pockets to help things going.  Since they seem to occupy a relatively large space but have minimal clientele, I thought they might be one of the locations that wouldn&#8217;t survive the pandemic &#8211; and it still remains to be seen what the fallout from that is.  They are a bit of a bellweather, whose attempts to reopen are worth keeping an eye on as a gauge of what might be going on elsewhere in Scientology.</p>
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		By: Scientology News		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/were-open-sort-of/#comment-385823</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Scientology News]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2021 17:08:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[many beautiful news in the world 0f scientology
https://www.cultcity.us/cult-city-super-tours-coming-soon/
thank you Mike Rinder! and Christie Collbran

https://buddhabellybirth.com/single-post/2021/03/10/let-children-think-for-themselves]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>many beautiful news in the world 0f scientology<br />
<a href="https://www.cultcity.us/cult-city-super-tours-coming-soon/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.cultcity.us/cult-city-super-tours-coming-soon/</a><br />
thank you Mike Rinder! and Christie Collbran</p>
<p><a href="https://buddhabellybirth.com/single-post/2021/03/10/let-children-think-for-themselves" rel="nofollow ugc">https://buddhabellybirth.com/single-post/2021/03/10/let-children-think-for-themselves</a></p>
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		By: Richard		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/were-open-sort-of/#comment-385809</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2021 14:24:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/were-open-sort-of/#comment-385734&quot;&gt;Richard&lt;/a&gt;.

There were notices on the website mentioning &quot;Institutional Purchases&quot;. Now that the institutions have raked in a couple trillion dollars from free and easy government student loans some legislators want to forgive student debt and let the taxpayers pay it off or add it to the national debt. That&#039;s big government and politics.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/were-open-sort-of/#comment-385734">Richard</a>.</p>
<p>There were notices on the website mentioning &#8220;Institutional Purchases&#8221;. Now that the institutions have raked in a couple trillion dollars from free and easy government student loans some legislators want to forgive student debt and let the taxpayers pay it off or add it to the national debt. That&#8217;s big government and politics.</p>
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		By: Richard		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2021 13:45:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/were-open-sort-of/#comment-385773&quot;&gt;Jere Lull&lt;/a&gt;.

Jere - That reminded me of a quip someone once made, &quot;Scientology will persist until the last two Scientologists write Knowledge Reports on each other.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/were-open-sort-of/#comment-385773">Jere Lull</a>.</p>
<p>Jere &#8211; That reminded me of a quip someone once made, &#8220;Scientology will persist until the last two Scientologists write Knowledge Reports on each other.&#8221;</p>
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		By: Richard		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2021 13:01:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/were-open-sort-of/#comment-385642&quot;&gt;otherles&lt;/a&gt;.

Thank Xenu for stimulating conversations on blogs.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/were-open-sort-of/#comment-385642">otherles</a>.</p>
<p>Thank Xenu for stimulating conversations on blogs.</p>
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		By: Richard		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2021 12:48:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/were-open-sort-of/#comment-385660&quot;&gt;Old Surfer Dude&lt;/a&gt;.

It&#039;s Ezekiel&#039;s Wheel or the Mother Plane as referred to in the NOI. From the wiki article on the NOI:

The Mother Plane and Ezekiel&#039;s Wheel

Elijah Muhammad taught his followers about a Mother Plane or Wheel, a UFO that was seen and described in the visions of the prophet Ezekiel in the &quot;Book of Ezekiel&quot;, in the Hebrew Bible.

Now as I looked at the living creatures, I saw a wheel on the earth beside the living creatures, one for each of the four of them. As for the appearance of the wheels and their construction: their appearance was like the gleaming of beryl. And the four had the same likeness, their appearance and construction being as it were a wheel within a wheel. When they went, they went in any of their four directions without turning as they went. And their rims were tall and awesome, and the rims of all four were full of eyes all around.

— Ezekiel 1:15–18 (ESV)


Farrakhan, commenting on his teacher&#039;s description in 1996, said the following:
The Honorable Elijah Muhammad told us of a giant Mother Plane that is made like the universe, spheres within spheres. White people call them unidentified flying objects (UFOs). . . . . . . .]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/were-open-sort-of/#comment-385660">Old Surfer Dude</a>.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s Ezekiel&#8217;s Wheel or the Mother Plane as referred to in the NOI. From the wiki article on the NOI:</p>
<p>The Mother Plane and Ezekiel&#8217;s Wheel</p>
<p>Elijah Muhammad taught his followers about a Mother Plane or Wheel, a UFO that was seen and described in the visions of the prophet Ezekiel in the &#8220;Book of Ezekiel&#8221;, in the Hebrew Bible.</p>
<p>Now as I looked at the living creatures, I saw a wheel on the earth beside the living creatures, one for each of the four of them. As for the appearance of the wheels and their construction: their appearance was like the gleaming of beryl. And the four had the same likeness, their appearance and construction being as it were a wheel within a wheel. When they went, they went in any of their four directions without turning as they went. And their rims were tall and awesome, and the rims of all four were full of eyes all around.</p>
<p>— Ezekiel 1:15–18 (ESV)</p>
<p>Farrakhan, commenting on his teacher&#8217;s description in 1996, said the following:<br />
The Honorable Elijah Muhammad told us of a giant Mother Plane that is made like the universe, spheres within spheres. White people call them unidentified flying objects (UFOs). . . . . . . .</p>
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		By: Jere Lull		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jere Lull]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2021 10:30:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/were-open-sort-of/#comment-385702&quot;&gt;Kronomex&lt;/a&gt;.

Kronomex, that toasted ham and cheese sandwich sounds GOOD!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/were-open-sort-of/#comment-385702">Kronomex</a>.</p>
<p>Kronomex, that toasted ham and cheese sandwich sounds GOOD!</p>
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