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What Are Ideal Orgs Really All About?

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Here is ALL you need to know about the so-called “ideal orgs”…

It has NOTHING to do with “expanding scientology” or “servicing the public” or anything other than MAKING MONEY.

This guy is not a scientology official. He is not in church management. He is not even on staff in an org.

His ONLY claim to fame is that he gives a lot of money to scientology.

Why is the only qualification for the KEYNOTE speaker at this”convention” is how much money he has given and gotten others to give? Because that is the only thing that is important.

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  1. Eff Pee? You there guys, gals and OSA? I find it odd the posts Eff Pee chooses to comment on and the posts there is silence. ? I’m sure I am just over thinking things……..Mike Rinder you are a stud, my friend. Keep shining the light and soon the darkness will be gone.

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  2. Ah… another game of spot the scumbag. The money trail of Scientology is littered with scumbags, so it’s a pretty easy game. I wonder if ‘Chan the Man’ & ‘Cummins the Come On’ are related? They’ll probably tell you we’ll all related… such a low life game Scientology because it takes such low life’s to play it.
    What’s a soul worth? Scientology can answer that for you… everything of value it has!

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  3. Hey Mike!

    Sometimes I tell myself something again, just for the sheer pleasure of it, just to feel the joy coursing through my old bones.

    We’re not on post tonight!

    You!
    Me!
    these other guys!

    We’re not on post. We’re doing what we’re doin and it ain’t post. I could be stirring a pot of shit-soup and I’d still be happy dancing.

    I don’t have to wake to an alarm tomorrow, either.

    🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂

    (and I don’t have a battle plan, no condition formula, and no all-hands)

    Love to you and yours, and forever grateful.

    we
    are
    not
    on
    post!

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  4. To his eternal shame, Tom Cummins and all he has done to support scientology (akin to throwing vast amounts of cash into a sucking pit). The criminal organization appreciates him dearly.

    Live that one down, ya fool, when you finally wake up

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  5. I just read an interesting post on Variety…Kirsty Alley and Stormy Daniels are scheduled to be contestants on Big Brother in the UK.
    Maybe Kirsty will invite Ms. Daniels to a Scientology ” fun night”..
    Would be a blast im sure..

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    • Stormy Daniels is quick witted and clever and she can think on her feet and bat whatever is thrown at her right back over the net. Her being an internet porn worker is not to be admired, certainly, and you may hate her because of all the trouble she’s causing You Know Who, but whatever, this woman is no dummy. I could see her with her own TV show. I’ve seen a few of her interviews and I’ve read her a number of her tweets. She has a total sense of humor about herself including all aspects of her “profession” and her breast implants. I find her amusing. At least she’s not a bore like 65 year old Krusty whining aloud about how she hasn’t had a date since divorcing Parker Stevenson decades ago. If they’re pitted against one another (I’m not familiar with the Big Brother Show) I predict Stormy will wipe the floor with Krusty.

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      • Thank you for your post. You made me laugh out loud tonight when I needed it most. You strike me as being solidly in charge of good sense and good humor.

        Were you one of *them* once? My brother, after 40+ years, is still one of them, and I am a wicked SP. He wrote me a letter and told me he had to disconnect because… Anyway, I follow this column closely for even a hint of my brother still alive and is he okay and I know that even seeking for him does him harm…

        …so getting a good laugh at the thought of Krusty, just as herself, diddling around and whining, yet somehow still making $cn work in the world? Best laugh and cry I’ve had in ages. Thank you.

        RA

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        • Glad I made you laugh, Reade. We all need a good laugh, once a day at least. Yes, I was one of them once. Long story but when I finally appliedanalytical thinking to what the cult was actually doing, as opposed to what the cult constantly said it was doing I took my first steps onto the Yellow Brick Road OUT.

          i”m sorry about your brother, That you don’t even know if he’s alive or not…my God. You might try searching for him on one of the many search sights. I located an old friend (boyfriend, actually) that way. I wanted to apologize to him and clear up a lie I told him back when we were going together and I wanted to break up. He had/has no email, doesn’t do Facebook or any social media of any kind, and he had moved around a great deal but I did locate him. I’m suggesting this because I understand that the cult would give him a hard time if it were believed that he would be receptive to your reaching out.

          Glad you’re with us, reading and posting here.

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      • Wow. Krusty is 65 ? Time flies..
        Ms Daniels sounds Like quite a gal . don’t think she would take to kindly to Scntology

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        • Maybe even older, Shirley. And, yes, Stormy is a riot. Example: On her twitter some Alt-Right type wrote to her: “All dumb, filthy whores go to hell”, and she wrote back, “Gosh, I’m glad I’m not one of the dumb ones, then.” Lots of questions about her huge, obviously fake breasts: “Are those real?” one guy tweeted, and she responded, “Well, I hardly think you’re imagining them”. She cracks me up.

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          • So funny Aqua. Shes a good sport. .i guess in her line of work its important. .
            Scntology and her wouldn’t mix..

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    • whoooa…Big Brother UK?, man, Kirsty’s star is on the rise. Oscars and Emmy’s for breakfast, baby.

      bwhahaha.

      who me? A bitch? Nawwwwwwwwwww.

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    • Those super special
      family org events
      sound ~
      overly active, hyper, in fact,
      with something going on all the time, forced gaiety,
      no private time with parents.
      Keep studying.
      Don’t think.
      Keep moving.
      Eat this food.
      Drink this drink.
      Watch the movie screen.
      Nothing is real.
      Up the stairway to a Clear heaven…

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  6. And the award for Best Rhetorical Question goes to…

    “Why is the only qualification for the KEYNOTE speaker at this ‘convention’ is how much money he has given and gotten others to give?”

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  7. Been thinkin’ (UH OH!) about how much money is poured, (dumped) into the cult by the “big donors”. I usually go to the Underground Bunker first in the morning so there was an eye opening post there today about money that will do no good to save anyone or anything on this planet,

    Then I thought I would see if I could guestimate what percentage of money the common folk donate to humanitarian organizations. I came to the conclusion that the $5, or $10, (you get the drift) someone can give at the end of the month to a shelter, or food pantry, or Salvation Army, does one heck of a lot more to offer a hand up than all the millions/billions that these idiots (yes, I said it) may as well burn in their back yard.

    In the end of my amazing thought (impressive..I know 🙂 ) was that the only people on this planet that are going to actually save, perhaps not the planet, but more important (in my opinion, the planet has been around for a long time and has its own way of doing things) are the people right here, who have lived in that hell hole to tell their story and expose this cult for what it is. A soul stealing, money and energy sucking vampire that could care less about the human condition, about children, or about, well, really anything except sucking more money out of anyone they can con. Then probably flying off in its private jet with a few billion dollars stashed away somewhere where there is no extradition. Another thought. If all those big ol’ donors think the cult leader is going to take them along HA HA. Ain’t gonna happen. But hey, they still have their trophy.

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    • Yes Peggy I completely agree! I go to The Bunker first thing every morning as well. Saw that article, then came here and read Mike’s. I had a lot of the same thoughts you did. Hard to stop thinking about what a waste it is!

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    • I read that too, and I was surprised at just how many folks are giving big cashola.

      It’s more than what I would have thought, but also…it’s probably ALL of them. It’s probably not like there are a bunch more in the woodwork, who give boatloads but just didn’t at that particular time.

      I’m thinking that they probably do the big donos at the big events… so if that logic reflects reality, we got us a rather complete list of those who are propping up Davy’s dreams.

      ……..
      I never ever considered myself status hungry, and for this I am so very grateful. My lowly Lifetime membership either proves veracity or parsimony.

      🙂
      🙂
      🙂

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      • Being thrifty and brave enough to question is a very good thing Rip Van Winkle. You figured out damage control 🙂 You got out while the getting was good.

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  8. Email today from the cult.

    Spend Labor Day Weekend at Flag!
    Flag Service Org
    Today, 2:37 PM
    You
    Spend

    LABOR DAY WEEKEND

    AT FLAG

    FRIDAY, 31 AUGUST – SUNDAY, 2 SEPTEMBER

    A three-day weekend is the perfect opportunity to bring your family to Flag, move on your Bridge,
    and enjoy the best of culinary delights and fun activities for the whole family. This is the Flag Experience.

    Friday, 31 August

    Enjoy live music by the pool and kids pool games in the afternoon. In the evening, attend Flag Graduation and
    hear spectacular wins of those completing Flag-Only Rundowns and Grade Chart steps, including new OT VII.
    After Graduation, partake of refreshments, live music and a good time with friends.

    Saturday, 1 September

    DINNER & “THE GREATEST SHOWMAN” Sing–Along

    You’ve seen the movie. You know the songs. This is one for the whole family. Enjoy a superb dinner in the
    Fort Harrison auditorium and then watch the movie on our 28-foot screen, hi-definition with surround sound,
    and sing your heart out. Perfect voices not mandatory – fun is.

    EXCURSIONS:
    Flag arranges excursions to popular Florida locations and theme parks, fitting in with your course and session
    schedules, including Clearwater Beach, International Malls and to famed Disney World, Orlando.

    Sunday, 2 September

    FORT HARRISON ACTIVITIES

    Sunday’s family day goes over-the-top with super special brunch, BBQ and activities until 10:00pm:
    • Balloon Man
    • Bouncy house/pool slide
    • Carnival-themed Games with prizes
    • Remote-Control Speed Boats
    • Table Tennis
    • Foosball
    • Air Hockey
    • Face Painting

    8:00pm A blockbuster movie release shown at our Sunday Silver Screen in our outdoor Pavilion: “Ready Player One”.

    8:30pm Chill at the Hibiscus Restaurant for “Unplugged”, an intimate evening of live acoustic music with fine vocalist,
    Rob Marvenko, together with The Flag Band, who will perform your favorite contemporary pop and ballads,
    while enjoying signature beverages and snacks.

    RSVP. CONTACT YOUR LOCAL FLAG SERVICE CONSULTANT OR
    FLAG CENTRAL RESERVATIONS AT (727) 467–5001, 1–800–233–FLAG

    or email: [email protected]

    Spiritual Headquarters. Right……

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    • ?? I would love to go to this stoned out of my mind … I would be laughing so hard by the time it was over that they’d have to call 911 to to take me to the hospital to be sedated. ??

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    • Those super special family org events sound ~
      overly active, hyper, in fact,
      with something going on all the time, forced gaiety,
      no private time with parents.
      Keep studying.
      Don’t think.
      Keep moving.
      Eat this food.
      Drink this drink.
      Watch the movie screen.
      Nothing is real.
      Up the stairway to a Clear heaven…

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    • Is this “lovely week end venture” OPEN to the pubic…..I mean geeeez……a simple wog like me walking in calming & then yelling at the top of my lungs GET OUT NOW….BLOW….Make a BREAK FOR IT….No one will STOP YOU…..hehehehehehe, as I am carried out the door feet first…..

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      • So, staff wanting to leave merely need to do what you suggest and they too will be carried out feet first? Ah, if only it were truly that easy.

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        • Me….feet first…I AM a wog…..Staff….well, they could do what others have done before them…BLOW at the first opportunity.

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  9. In support of Mike’s article, it is interesting that the intent behind the Ideal Org campaign is so clear and nefarious. Despite that the campaign is not what their founder wants at all, per his own writings, they push ahead anyway, all the while quoting the founder to support what he disagrees with. It is quite astounding.

    Someone else might have started an Ideal Org program where fundraisers were held for a massive Class VI or Class VIII auditor training program. Thousands of auditors paid for through fundraisers, sponsored, supported and sent out to find customers. The intent of this version of an Ideal Org program would be clear and directly opposite to that currently flogged.

    His intent is clear. A scam, nothing to do with the subject they claim to represent.

    If Miscavige wanted to go ahead and go against the founder, he could have chosen many different paths. He chose this one. Ideal Orgs, money, buildings, covered in spurious expansion claims. His intent is not expansion. It is assets and money.

    This guy featured is a shill for the scam.

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  10. Maybe this has been asked and answered…so my apologies in advance…..What is Tom Cruise’s status as a donor?

    Still following your blog everyday……keep Going Mike!!!!

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    • his name is never on any of the lists.

      One would think that he gives a lot, if nothing else, for tax purposes.

      But his name is never on the lists.

      I saw his name on a list of completions of OT VI, which then told me he was on VII, but I haven’t seen him on any list thereafter.

      I’d be curious to hear from those who are in the know on this. I don’t recall seeing other celebs either, except for Cartwright. You’d think they’d play it up…

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      • You can specify that you don’t want your name on these lists. My name would never appear. Also, they have a fake name they use for TC.

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        • I’m thinking that if Cruise’s name was linked to amounts it would be picked up by news services and would be repeated all over all the time. That’s my guess why the celebs don’t often have their names public.

          I could see the cult wanting to use the info to spur others on to donating – lord knows they use peer pressure with every inhale/exhale… but they probably want to guard against the backlash of “those rich celebs gave money, so it’s all covered and I don’t have to”

          ….suppositions and musings….

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      • IMO, the reason they don’t play up the ‘other celebs is because there aren’t any. That network collapsed with the big ones fleeing, Haggis, Leah, and Mike. As pervasive as teh interweb is these days, the Hollywood grapevine(or is it gripe-whine?) is faster at informing all concerned that scn ain’t good for your career. Examples: TC, JT, krustie, & Elfman (either of them) As scns, their careers tanked. Have any of them had meaningful work lately? Anything announced in the works? [q.e.d.]

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        • TC is 56, JT is 64 and Krusty, I just checked is not 65 but 67. TC has a couple more M/I s left in him. Krusty could play someones kooky fat mother or grandmother, I suppose. Some small part. JT, now, for some reason its hard for me to envision him as a screen father or grandfather although he’s certainly old enough. As for Jenna, I think she’s washed up. At least she has her horse.

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    • My guess is that Cruise is either on a special celebrity plan where his name doesn’t appear in connection with Scientology but he is expected to give large amounts behind the scenes instead – he could even be bankrolling ScnTV – or else he has become disaffected, and has a sort of tacit truce with Scientology where neither makes waves, a bit like what Bob Duggan apparently arranged.

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  12. There won’t be a big payday for Junior and his siblings when this guy croaks. If he has any assets left, he will be surrounded on his deathbed by Scilon vultures, exactly as contracted in the fine print he signed and forgot about. The cherch will make sure any remaining assets go wherever the cherch wants them to go. Sorry, Junior, sorry, sis, daddy signed a new will late last night just before he died, and you guys are not in it.

    The craziest part of this whole Scientology donate-for-status scam is that the IAS doesn’t even need the money. DM controls that money, and he can’t spend the stupendous sums he already has without losing the tax exemption, which means he would be deposed, I think.

    There are no plans in place for the IAS slush fund, except to rescue Mismanage from himself, or payoff critics when years of obfuscation fail and the heat gets too hot, or rescue the cherch from various expensive projects like his pet TV studio.

    There are no true humanitarian projects or social good works in effect, or on the horizon, and there won’t be because of Hubbard’s insistence on ‘exchange’, Hubbard never considered that providing unconditional help at cherch expense was a good exchange, even if it saved lives or allowed people a better standard of living. For any cherch activity, if he could not see a cut, a percentage in genuine US dollars, either right away or soon after, he demanded cherch resources and efforts be spent elsewhere.

    Most of those IAS donations blow away into the wind; they go straight into offshore accounts, never to be seen again, except to spend a bit on rescuing Mismanage from himself.

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    • Ammo,
      I think Davey Poo can use the IAS Warchest funds for any activity which defends the Cult from attacks, foreign and domestic. So the big winners are the attorneys, PIs and occasionally a settlement for someone who has fought the good fight and hung in there long enough to collect.

      Debbie and Laura come to mind. But I wait for the day that one of these events actually goes to trial and exposes the underbelly of the beast on public record. After that there will be claims galore on Daves war chest.

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  13. I have to admit I’ve never actually met Cummins, but I’ve seen him around the base and of course, in all sorts of promo for the church but seeing his pictures or in real life always kinda made me sick to my stomach. Did scientology bring out the “used car salesman” in him or was he already that way before scientology? Anyway, the tech didn’t seem to help with that.

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    • Mary I had the same reaction you did to Cummins and to Grant Cardone. I even went to an event where Cardone was the guest speaker and I came away actually embarrassed for him. He is not what he tries to portray in the PR that he is.

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  14. Why is such a tran$parently motived inhumane cult completely misread by these whales? These are people who are normally careful in their business dealings who seem to divorce all reason when it comes to $cientology.

    They have no excuses since they can simply look up the entheta without being hassled and know the real truth. Their crimes are one of unforgivable ignorance. That money could be used for charities and medical research truly serving mankind instead of flushed down the fantasy cult’s toilet.

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      • I think you hit the golden word Mary – narcissistic. I suppose there are a lot of words, but narcissist is sort of one size fits all. I have a guilty pleasure hoping they all go broke.

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  15. It would be interesting to have eyes and boots on the ground do several drive by’s of the Valley Org during their convention and count the number of cars in the parking lot. My guess is that public know it’s all a ploy to reg more money from you and so will stay away in droves.

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    • Hopefully, someone did. If you look again, this ‘convention’ was 2 weeks ago. If anyone can give us an insider’s report, we’l love to hear from you!

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  16. Tom Cummins owns a telemarketing firm that represents energy companies in unregulated markets. I think that’s all we need to know about him. I just watched a video after I googled his name and saw him praise David Miscavige for more than three minutes. I need to go poke out my eyes now.

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  18. St Louis Org has quite the money making racket they have run on members regarding the Ideal Org.

    A building was purchased in 2007 because they just had to have it to CLEAR the area.

    Now – 11 years later – they are selling that building after obtaining millions from staff and public.

    Many people lost homes to foreclosure and filed bankruptcy. I looked them up on Missouri Courts Case Net. Public information.

    US Bankruptcy is another public site.

    I heard from a mole that they are keeping the money and raising funds to renovate the building they are currently in on 6901 Delmar.

    That building still has a mortgage they are paying on….unless they paid it off but I doubt it.

    SCAM – Scientology is nothing but a SCAM and people have been getting hurt for over 50 years.

    Let’s shut these criminals down. Anyone still contributing to Scientology is in some serious denial. The entire world knows it is an evil cult that destroys and does not help anyone except David Miscavige.

    Those poor fools still in … it could kill them if they ever find out what they are involved in…

    What do you guys think…

    Is it better to KNOW

    or

    Not know?

    I think it is better to KNOW and get out and stop the damage.

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    • Thanks for the insider information – and for doing some digging to flesh out the picture.

      Scientology is using promo that now indeed shows a rendering of the existing St. Louis building on Delmar (an old Masonic temple) renovated as their “ideal” org. It was posted here, I believe in the the Funnies, within about the last two months. The thing that’s strange about that, is that from what I can tell, the building is only about 18,000 square feet over 3 levels, while all the “ideal” orgs up until now have had to be at least close to 50,000 – and there’s no sign they plan a massive addition. I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s just more bait-and-switch, and St. Louis ultimately gets an “ideal” facility in a large, cheap old office building somewhere, as they have been doing for other orgs (like Santa Barbara and Boston) recently – but it’s also possibly a sign they are going to have to downsize expectations in order to finish off the building projects of the smallest and weakest orgs.

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      • St Louis is staying in the 3 story Masonic Temple on Delmar as far as I know. For years we heard “we don’t have enough space” as they did the fraudulant fundraising for the building….then in 2007 or 08 – they bankrupted most of the members to purchase the Idle Morgue.

        A staff member, Winnie Berberich, got married there to Andy Magnus. Winnie had to do an amends project for leaving staff so she was scrubbing the nasty lobby floor of the dilapidated building with a truth brush. She must have had so much ARC with the property – she decided to get married in it.

        Then she refinanced her house to become a Humanitarian. I think it was paid off.

        She is not a spring chicken either. Poor gal.

        How does she justify now supporting this organization disguised as a Church?

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      • You have to understand how Slappy Miscavige works

        There will never ever EVER be an Ideal anything in St Louis as far as David Miscavige goes

        It is ALL about the money.

        PERIOD!

        The Midwest is being used as pawns in a game only David Miscavige understands

        The Midwest is where WOGS , degraded beings and broken pieces reside!

        It is just a transport station to extract funds from the DB’s and funnel it to Miscaviges tiny little hands

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        • It has ALWAYS been about the money. Make no mistake, from day one it was Hubbard’s plan to get rich.

          Fatso: “I don’t have a Swiss Bank account. I have an account in Switzerland, but, there’s not much money in it.”

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        • I am in construction and became suspicious when I saw the amount the Church needed to start renovations kept going up and up and up and up and up…I mean come on!

          There is a “tech” to construction costs.

          You get bids from contractors and then you raise the money.

          Scientology does not reveal any information about how much it costs….they just keep going after the money.

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    • Same thing happened to a friend of mine in San Diego. Donated a million for the new ideal org bldg. The bldg was bought then sold and San Diego stayed in its same bldg and then raised money for renos on that. Needless to say my friend is out and moved on. She felt scammed in more ways than this.

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      • Mary – I am so sorry for your friend. We need to organize a rally in DC to stop cults from preying on trusting souls who come in for help. I am so sick of them getting away with this in broad daylight.

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        • I so sick of them getting away with this in the dark of the night. Unfortunately, I’m sleeping through it.

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      • Mary Kahn,
        It’d be good if your friend wrote a report to the FBI and ask that it goes into the FBI’s files on Scientology. In fact maybe have her write up the report as a legal document, with a lawyer and witness present, like an affidavit or whatever the correct legal document is.

        Just for the FBI to keep track of this type of thing. And send a copy to local prosecutor’s of her county or state.

        A million bucks SURE meets the threshold of MONEY that the FBI has as their go-button to do something about, and if your friend does a legal affidavit and all, that might add up to the FBI someday doing something!

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      • A million dollars. A million. OMG, to this scam. Chuck’s right, your friend should report this to the FBI. Even if what was done to your friend was legal, still it was a MILLION dollars and every tick in the box helps,

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    • ” I think it is better to KNOW and get out and stop the damage.”

      Amen to that. But those that choose to believe rather than know will be doomed to a life of crime all in the name of ‘saving the planet’. Sheesch!!!!! I would not have known the truth myself if I had not experienced the insanity $cientology spawns.

      The mind trap called Scientology is so appalling that most cannot conceive of it. The Con Man knew of course that a flaming lie hidden in plain sight is safe.

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  19. All the big bucks in scientology and no good that I can see comes from it. And they still have no qualms about taking their members money until they are destitute.

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  20. Scientology collects thousands of stats every week on Thursday at 2;00 pm, but the only stat DM cares about is the incoming $$$ stat. I wouldn’t be surprised if one day DM unearths some undiscovered Hubbard piece of wisdom that states that merely the act of donating money to Scientology ensures your spiritual eternity! Like the RC Church in the Middle Ages with their Indulgences.

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    • That reminds me of a comment made by Debbie Cook during a staff meeting at the FSO back in 1992. “Whenever I meet COB in person,” she said, “the first thing he asks me is ‘How much is your GI [Gross Income]?'”

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  21. You are spot on Mike.

    The Ideal Org in St Louis was a big money maker for David Miscavige. He bankrupted the field and staff and now rumor has it – they are selling the building. Isn’t that FRAUD?

    The other thing I noticed in St Louis is that the “renos” to start kept going up each year.

    Isn’t there a “tech” to construction costs?

    The Co$ bragged about how “we make our own furniture etc…to save money…

    Little did we know they have set up human trafficking rings to make the furniture with Sea Org Slaves.

    When will the government stop this criminal behavior from a “CHURCH”

    Should we not be SAFE in churches in the United States and Missouri?

    Racketeering, Money Laundering Extortion are a few of them many WINS Scientology gets with its tax exempt status.

    Please – can we force the government to take action.

    Perhaps organize a rally in Washington DC for the government to shut down money making cults who violate human rights!

    The time is NOW! I am pissed!

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      • Regardless of any opinion of current government, loud public displays embarrass Miscavige and bring more attention to the good fight. Let’s do it.

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        • I’m all in on that!!!

          ” loud public displays embarrass Miscavige…”

          As does simply exposing the truth about the cult. I try to be sure and mention it each day as part of my ‘cult watch ritual’. And since CST has a ‘compound’ in my backyard it is important to make sure the locals know the truth about what they really do.

          Where is Shelly anyway?

          Yo Dave,
          whadidyado to Eff Pee? Time to let it out for a stroll in the park.

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      • No one here seriously believes, do you, that this wretched administration is going to give a rat’s ass if we protest Scientology’s financial scamming of its parishioners on Pennsylvania Avenue? Deeeeep pockets Scientology, with DC Org a few blocks from the White House? They have to be over Trump like white on rice. Already the cult has held an event at his DC hotel – why? Hint: for the same reason anyone who wants to curry favor with the president holds their events there, or at his other resorts. This is no secret nowadays. And its always been how you get what you want in a Banana Republic.

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        • ” No one here seriously believes, do you, that this wretched administration is going to give a rat’s ass if we protest Scientology’s financial scamming of its parishioners on Pennsylvania Avenue? ”

          Nope, if anything, bitching about the ‘government’ cleaning the cults nest out might get you moved to a FEMA Camp.

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  22. Another individual that craves admiration and, if giving millions provides him of applause, titles and lots of admiration, well, IAS ain’t going to stop him.

    I do remember another individual with a similar trait, expecting he will be recognized by giving tons of $ to the Al Caponic Church.

    Miscavige also craves admiration and recognition, yet, what is the difference between he and the other two?

    The ‘public’ does GIVE money they have lawfully earned working – Miscavige just steals it and amasses it while he does NOT work, nor has ever created anything by himself.

    Like Mike has said: it sucks to be Miscavige.

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  23. My last interaction with Cummins was a years ago, but whenever I was around him or saw him I perceived a sliminess that I wanted to get away from, like when one is around a used car salesman – not unlike a 19th century snake oil salesman. Also, why do they need a USA Ideal Org convention when they just had all their OT leaders briefed by miscavige on Maiden Voyage to go back and lead their respective orgs to victory on the OT Ambassador marching orders issued as a program each year. Also, seems odd they are having this convention at an org chapel, which usually don’t hold many people. Surely for such an important convention for the whole of the USA they would need a huge space to gather.

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  24. Some years back I was seriously considering moving to a new city, and the one I had in mind already had an ideal org. This was playing a substantial role in my exact choice of move location, my prevailing thought was that “I’ll be able to escape the madness of regging to get the org ideal”.

    “It’s already ideal! How handy is that! I can just go there and attend events, volunteer a bit to fulfill OTVII continuing elig requirements”.

    …
    Then I started seeing all the promo and getting the emails that promoted the whole, “now that we have our org ideal, we’re part of the alliance to get XXXX org Ideal too!”

    East coast, west coast, the south pole org…..

    IT. NEVER. ENDS.-

    …
    Ideal org, SuperPower building, LRH Hall, LRH park, SUMP, steel-titanium-moon-rock inscribed vaults

    IT. NEVER. ENDS.

    except for me… it ends for ME!

    No money from me, Tommy C. You can take your tawdry trophies and shove them up your rich deluded ass.

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  25. Wow. In the 70-80’s there was at east a pretense to helping others to justify the heavy pressure on money, week after week. Now it’s all about buildings and raising your status. What is the end game here?

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    • Rose Marie T, the end game is DM takes all the money and runs and hides in some other country where he can’t be extradited to the US.

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    • What is the end game here?
      You mean you haven’t figured it out yet?
      THE END GAME IS TO CREATE A SANER WORLD USING SCIENTOLOGY!
      AND ONLY IDEAL ORGS WILL DO THAT!
      I think you need to go drink a tall glass of kool-aid.

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    • There is NO end game, just day-to-day money grabs. An end game would require stategic planning, a specific goal that each action contributes to. I believe DM’s acted opportunistically throughout; Each time an opportunity presented itself, he grabbed it. I suspect he was somewhat surprised when he found himself in the catbird’s seat. Else, he’d have thought up a better title than cob, which is SO lame

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