Dan Koon sent me this link last night with a comment: ” I am positive that DM would die of jealousy if he ever saw this.”
This morning your assignment is to read this article entitled “20 Things I Learned While I Was in North Korea”.
It is a sobering , but very worthwhile exercise. You will see plenty of parallels between Corporate Scientology and the Ideal Country of North Korea. This is a picture of the end result of the attempts to control everyone inside the bubble. The control of information. The regimentation of thinking. The punishment for stepping out of line. The massive marble buildings on display. The total reverence for their leader. The lies. The propaganda.
If it doesn’t make you sit up and think, you should probably see a doctor for confirmation of life.
Some of the videos are amazing, especially the staged shows called the “Mass Games”.
Here are the headings from the article, but really, read the whole thing for the specifics.
1) The leaders are a really big fucking deal there. About the same as the RCS.
2) Everyone lies about everything all the time. Sound familiar?
3) Most visitors to the country are forced to stay in the same hotel when they’re in Pyongyang. Ever been to “Flag”?
4) Propaganda is absolutely everywhere. There too?
5) The tour guides apparently don’t find it awkward to constantly refer to Americans as “American Imperialists” even though I’m standing right there. Like the PR people of the church don’t find it awkward to accuse the media of being bigots and “merchants of chaos” to their faces.
6) It’s not cool to call North Korea “North Korea.” And it’s definitely not cool to call Scientology a cult.
7) Kim Jong Un’s exact year of birth is not a subject you should try to gather information on while in the country. Don’t ask for any details about Miscavige’s life, especially not his wife.
8) The same physical place can be fancy and shitty at the same time. Dead, empty Ideal Orgs where the elevators don’t work and the lights are shut off?
9) North Koreans still talk about the Korean War constantly. Scientologists talk about the Golden Age of Tech and “the Basics” constantly.
10) All kids wear the same uniform all the time, even when they’re not in school. Been on the streets of Clearwater?
11) It’s best to just not bring up the huge rocket hotel in the middle of Pyongyang. Or the Super Power building. Or the vaults at Trementina.
12) North Koreans seem to be lacking a sense of humor about the mausoleum that holds the bodies of Kim Il Sung and Kim Jong Il. The RCS is just lacking a sense of humor about anything.
13) North Korea even manages to have dictator-esque traffic ladies. Teenage MAAs?
14) The Mass Games are both breathtaking and disturbing. So are the IAS events.
15) No North Korean people have access to the Internet because the government is concerned that people would see things that would make them feel unfairly critical toward the West, and the government would like to protect the West’s reputation by preventing the people from going on the Internet. Isn’t that a coincidence?
16) Kim Jong Il used a MacBook Pro. David Miscavige smokes Camel nonfilters.
17) Most of the time people walked together, I swear they were walking in step. Been to Clearwater?
18) North Korea is the one place where the museum of ancient times sounds like the good old days. Well, not the ONLY place!
19) Apparently the tears in this video are actually real. Gushing, over-the-top fawning over “COB” has become a new art form in the RCS.
20) It turns out that there’s a place in the world that will make you enter China and think, “Thank god for this land of boundless freedom!” No comment.
DM is the personification of this “old saw”:
“I don’t drink, I don’t smoke, I don’t swear……….goddamnit, I left my cigarettes at the bar!”
I know an army major whom I asked about the threat of North Korea. He just laughed and told me that they can’t even keep their own power on. Kind of like, have you ever seen a Clear?
Madora Pennington says
Somebody tell the Still-Ins!
Hallie Jane says
Fabulous articles everyone! It’s hard to believe such a place can continue today but stopping the flow of information makes it possible. No more with the rcs. We have a lot to be thankful for this Thanksgiving. Not to be in N. Korea, not to be in the rcs, having lots of unemployed, blogging, apostate, funny friends. I feel blessed! Should I add more exclamation points?
Re: dm’s smoking:
He also quit about 10 years earlier, about the same time Int staff were fined 25 cents for every swear word used.
Mike Rinder says
In case you have not read it, this posting on the S. African blog from the former Bookstore Officer of the Joburg “Ideal Org” gives some real dope on just what this was all about. Amazing detail. Clearly even though he may be an unemployed (I have no idea) bitter defrocked apostate on the fringes of the internet, he didnt make this stuff up (and there are many others who have told consistent stories of their own experiences).
Wow — talk about corrupt.
Thank you for the article. I’m figuring out how to get this data to my daughter and son – the ones that will not speak to me.
Another similar is the fear of death in N. Korea and in RCS is fear of losing eternity (cause the planet is going to blow up)
I have a question about this comment:
16) Kim Jong Il used a MacBook Pro. David Miscavige smokes Camel nonfilters
In 2003 an IAS reg in PAC told me DM ordered all the crew to quit smoking. I wonder if he did that and continued to smoke himself..
What a creep.
Mike Rinder says
Cece — short answer. Yes.
He quit for a while, but didnt have the willpower to stick to it. So then he smoked covertly.
Mike, it was not so covert as I recall. He could march into CMU with Lou in tow who would pull out an ashtray and he would light up. Perhaps covert means in this case that CMU did not have any windows and no air conditioning so the smoke would stay in the area and we could all become secondhand smokers. I recall being in his office during the late days of the first GAT evolution with your ex-wife and on his desk in his Villas office was a note he had scribbled to himself “DO NOT SMOKE!” The guy is a serious nicotine addict.
Mike Rinder says
Dan — I meant publicly covert. Outside the base.
“In 2003 an IAS reg in PAC told me DM ordered all the crew to quit smoking.”
He is just running another “can’t have” on the staff and with the intention to curtail their power of decision.
Also if some staff then smokes or wants to smoke anyway or has the urge to smoke this is just one more imposed “overt” or “withhold” they have, or what they can feel weak about.
I don’t believe for one second that it has anything to do with being unhealthy. It is just one more use of leverage to make them more effect and thus controllable.
An SP characteristic is can’t have for others/have for self.
Jane Doe says
KA, you hit the nail on the head, an SP characteristic is to run can’t haves on those around them. And then he will smoke in front of them to rub their noses in it that they can’t have and he can have.
21) North Korea leader executed his ex-girlfriend.
Where is Shelly?
22) North Korea executed people for offenses that ranged from watching South Korean entertainment videos to owning the Bible.
Dear leader’s minions declared 18 SPs (SP=Social Personalities) in South Africa, for offenses like questioning Co$’s out-policy, out-ethic actions.
“Ideal Country of North Korea”
LOL. THAT was funny! 🙂
Side note: Here is corroboration of conditions described in North Korea as written by Sophie Schmidt, the daughter of Eric Schmidt, co-founder and chairman of Google:
While the “official delegation”, apparently, felt they needed to be constrained in their comments for political reasons, Eric’s daughter felt no such obligation. (Another parallel?)
Boy, maybe I was wrong about similarities. Maybe identities are more apt:
“Of all the stops we made, the e-Potemkin Village was among the more unsettling. We knew nothing about what we were seeing, even as it was in front of us. Were they really students? Did our handlers honestly think we bought it? Did they even care? Photo op and tour completed, maybe they dismantled the whole set and went home.”
Cat Daddy says
Comes with video
It’s amazing. I see other macrocosms. Like the US Goverment being made up of many well intentioned people who forward insane policies that seem to have the purpose to suppress. Sometimes I wonder if Governments are learning from the RCS to improve their suppression technology. Like whistle blowers being treated like terrorists is very much like a SP declare and the ability to Patriot Act allows prosecution without a trial is like a declare with no Comm Ev. I guess the SO staff at Int should be thankful it doesn’t go the other way, Davey would probably love to get his hands on some Predator Drones to blow up the SP Sea Org members that attempt to blow.
Sheeple Bane says
I think Thetapotata its indicative of how mass theta implantation plays out. You see all the chaos endlessly repeating itself, over and over again! The only solition is to run out all those GPM’s! Applying rational thought wont resolve anything unless real auditing takes place!
I agree. The GPM of “The Empire” vs “The Rebel Resistance” plays out time and time again. The solution is not necessarily destruction. That’s what I like about this blog it’s all about getting doses of “Truth.” and you’re right about auditing… it is such a great tool if used by ethical practitioners.
Mike Eldredge says
Thanks for posting this Mike. I finally realized where Dave was going all those times he would disappear ostensibly to “handle traffic” with Pat Broeker, they were going to North Korea for apprenticeships.
Jose Chung says
They are the same Scientology and North Korea.
Two peas from the same pod, David Miscavige and Kim Jong Un
Assumed similarities are definitely similar.
I can just imagine what miscavige would have been like as an SS officer under Hitler. He would have had the most amazing fun dramatizing that valence. Just the kind of guy he likes to be.
Main Man says
If North Korea is the paradigm of a Cleared Planet, then let us hope that the Cult of Scientology does not find its Emperor Constantine.
Back in the day, when you walked into any Church of Scientology, you were at once confronted with pictures of LRH everywhere, his personal office all set up and ready for him in every building. Scientologists constantly clapping at his pictures at the end of course periods, constant deference to LRH at every event. LRH presented as Source, KSW, etc.
Gee whiz, with that scenario, what could possibly go wrong?
Rod Keller says
The very start of cult studies was on China and Korea. Lifton’s characteristics were not written based on a religious cult.
There are many kinds of cults. Sci-fi religion cults are definitely the minority. Heaven’s Gate, Aum Shinrikyo, Raelians, Scientology. And two of those are no longer practicing. Most religious cults in America are Christian cults, but there are political cults, therapy cults, commercial cults, and more.
Examining other cults is really a good way to evaluate your time spent in Scientology. It’s not a unique organization at its core. Although it can be a punishing group to be in, I haven’t heard anything yet that beats the practice of Aum Shinrikyo of putting people into industrial sized microwave ovens.
Mary Rathernotsay says
I have been reading about the atrocities in North Korea for a number of years. They just keep getting worse. Has anyone read Escape from Camp 14? True account of a guy who was born into a gulag in North Korea, and finally escaped to the West. I have often thought of the RCS after reflecting on North Korea. Apparently, if you are dying in a hospital or clinic in one of the “camps,” guards may actually come and take your blood and give it to a more “useful” worker. Take your blood while you are still alive…for redistribution.
For those in the RCS gulags…has anyone come for your blood yet…for ” redistribution” to the more deserving slaves? The Dear Leader in North Korea has vowed to destroy his enemies until the 3rd generation…In other words, if he disliked your grandfather, you were also in line for destruction. RCS’s disconnection policy is also a way to destroy 3 generations of a family all at once… It seems there are many such examples.
Your article is apt, Mike.
Control by fear, dominate by terror, no care for anybody else but the ‘leader’.
The scenes of North Korea made me think of implanted people where they have no way to think for themselves, Reality is shoved onto every aspect of their lives and force is used if you ever dare to change any rule at all.
DM is a sociopath and his ‘culture’ is limited, in fact very small; he can’t even command 10,000 people to attend to an event and his world of power is utterly small in comparison with the millions of Koreans. Nevertheless insanity reigns in both realms.
My favorite thing about that hotel you have to stay in is that 46 of the 47 floors are empty. Also, the streets, restaurants and hospitals are empty, they salute a picture of their leader every day, you can’t criticize the leader nor photograph those empty roads, hospitals or restaurants.
Try walking into an Idle Morgue with a camera…
Live Long and Prosper says
Cult of personality = cult of personality under the guise of religion. North Korea even has its own philosophy called “Juche”, kind of a 1950’s-era pop psychology admin tech.
Question Mike…I don’t see anything on the horizon that Dear Leader can do to make Scn look like it is expanding. In your opinion, which all of us here value greatly, what do you think DM does next? Does he exit stage left, and leave the church to someone else to take the reigns as the church folds? This way he’s not the cause? I may be way off, but would love to hear your take on this.
Mike Rinder says
Frankly, I don’t see anything much on the horizon either.
It’s why I have said a few times to pay close attention as Dear Leader shoots his wad this weekend, because it could be His last hurrah. I don’t see much in the pipeline after this.
He will no doubt redouble the “Ideal Orgs” effort and start subsidizing them to get more done sooner to “prove” the straight up and vertical expansion. He made a big deal about how many “new orgs” there were LAST year, but its really thin this year and that doesnt look good. It’s been obscured by the hype for GAG and SP.
He has announced the “new VIP Narconons” but that’s not got any real legs as He has to be careful now about associating Himself with Narconons.
There are 3 empty “AO” buildings (Canada, Africa and Mexico) that could be brought out of mothballs to try and create the appearance of “expansion.” I am sure the other AO’s that are struggling to buy food for themselves would be really thrilled with the news of 3 new ones opening to siphon off more of their dwindling public!
Of course, He has to have a WHY for how come GAG II and Super Power hasnt boomed the planet sometime next year — so probably the long stagnated “OEC” project will be resurrected and He will claim He has found a “New Why” that explains the lack of expansion “SP’s messed up the OEC and now I have set it straight.” That’s pretty predictable. It can be used as a broad explanation for all failures.
And He still has to rewrite KTL and LOC as the “next big things” that were all messed up by SP’s. And maybe the PRD. Of course, the lack of boom is because nobody understood GAG II/The Basics/SuperPower/anything because they are not superliterate/havent done KTL/LOC. After all, LRH said that lack of KTL was THE why because the world was out of comm and nobody understood anything. He also said the PRD was the Why. And that LOC was the Why. So those three are good things to hype.
He has the briefing course to re-compile and edit all the tapes. (“Nobody has ever REALLY learned to be an auditor before, now I have made it possible with this NEW Briefing Course.”)
Might buy a new ship to replace the Freewinds which is “too small” for the 10 public on board at any given time.
Whatever he invents, it will NOT be able to match up to the PT Barnum hype he has been generating for YEARS in preparation for Super Power and now for months in preparation for GAG II.
I think the ONLY thing He could realistically do is invent something He calls OT IX and X and release that with massive fanfare. He could find some processes out of Creation of Human Ability and say “This is OT IX and X”. He could sort of cover himself as it WOULD BE “LRH” and nobody can ever challenge Him about whether He just mocked it up.
There’s not much else left for Him.
Hope He enjoys Hisself this weekend as things are pretty bleak from there on out….
Mike, “VIP” Narconons? What does VIP stand for – “Victims’ Insurance Predators”?
Re: the list of things DM could not embark on, i.e. KTL/LOC/PRD/SHSBC/OEC/FEBC?new AOs – well at the rate DM moves things along, those items will take at least 100 years to get done.
BB Broeker says
I’ve always thought his last trump could be the announcement that the thetan f/k/a LRH has found a new body and is being raised at a CST facility. That might be a bridge too far, but it works for Tibetan Buddhists.
Good question Tommy J, and EXCELLENT ANSWER Mike!! 🙂
Thanks! And it was a great answer for sure.
I feel like the tipping point has been reached and DM knows it. Guess he keeps taking turds and shaping them into something the sheeple want to see.
Thanks for sharing the link, Mike. (And thanks to Dan for sending it to you in the first place.)
The analogy could not be more striking.
At the risk of ruffling a few die-hard Hubbardite feathers, but only in the hopes of expanding on the comparison for those who may not elect to read the HuffPost piece in the entirety, I would add (or expand upon your comments) as follows:
“1) The leaders are a really big fucking deal there. About the same as the RCS.”
“Kim Il Sung (1912-1994)…He’s the Eternal President — eternal because he had the position abolished for all future so that no one can ever be president again. And they’ve created an almost entirely fabricated story about all of the legendary accomplishments he didn’t accomplish…. [A]ll students dedicate a large portion of their study to memorizing his speeches and learning about his achievements, and his birthday is the nation’s biggest holiday.”
Gee, that sounds awfully familiar. Sort of like a guy who proclaimed himself as the one and only-ever “Source”; whose self-styled life story is replete with proven fabrications; whose words are memorized, memorialized (on titanium) and mistaken for some bizarre combination of infallible [pseudo]science and law, which must be abided at all costs. (Unless you’re Miscavige and you can change Hubbard’s words at your own whim… or unless you’re a scientologist reg or OSA-bot who can justify perpetrating fraud and/or committing crimes on a daily basis under the rubric of Hubbard’s “ethics” formula [ahem.. trick]).
“15) No North Korean people have access to the Internet…”
But, unlike Scientologists who are told it is for their own good, i.e. to avoid “entheta”; the North Koreans are sold the story that their Dear Leader(s) is(are) restricting their access out of the goodness of their hearts, i.e. to PROTECT the [perceived] “enemy” [the USA] from being exposed for the supposed evil it truly is.
How magnanimous of them [to protect their own sworn enemy in the eyes of their doomed followers].
Thanks to us “wogs” for resisting –or altogether ignoring– the “siren call” of this cult, Scientologists live in a world where they CAN gain access to uncensored views, and all the more readily these days, thanks to the internet, the critics and the former cult members who have had the courage to speak out about the abuses they witnessed and suffered.
The North Koreans? They have no choice. There is no such access. They got shot, execution style, in PUBLIC, for daring to watch –gasp– a South Korean entertainment video, among other similarly innocuous “offenses”.
The public Scientologists?? Have a choice. Thanks to recent high profile defections, they needn’t even go onto the internet to start the process. They need merely glance up at the TV playing in the nail salon to see and hear Leah Remini on Dancing With The Stars (or any of the number of info-tainment shows which rebroadcast clips of her dissing the cult all throughout the day)… or glance at the headlines on popular magazines revealing that Tom Cruise testified under oath that one of the reasons Katie offered for leaving him was to protect Suri from Scientology.
The point is, without Hubbard, there would be no Miscavige. (But there would be “auditing”, just that it’s called “talk therapy”/”regression therapy”/”past life regression”, etc.)
You folks out there who like the auditing and think it works? Good for you. Enjoy yourself.
But don’t tell us that Hubbard was/is a “great friend” to humankind and expect us to join you in that pretense.
Who, after all, is the one who came up with the SEE-NO-EVIL, HEAR-NO-EVIL, SPEAK-NO-EVIL rules to be imposed on all Scientologists?? Hmmm???
That’s not some NEW, GAT 1 or 11 nonsense.
That’s old-school SOURCE, my friends.
ANY time you have a “Dear Leader” proclaiming to his followers that HIS is the ONE AND ONLY TRUE PATH, and who then IMPLEMENTS a set of rules for his followers to strictly adhere to in the conquest for that “one and only true path” TO BE IMPOSED ON OTHERS, all marshalled in via thought-stopping techniques and collectivist enforcement, you have a DANGEROUS recipe for the destruction of enlightened society, one individual victim after the next.
One need not only imagine the horror of Hubbard’s planetary “clearing” coming to fruition.
One can see it in the image of North Korea.
To you and those who lump everything into one basket like you do – when you come up with something better, I’ll read it. Until then – which will very, very probably be never – why don’t you take your monstrously inflated self-righteous and foundationless ego, and your snide negativity, and go prove to yourself that you exist on your own time, not everybody else’s?
You appear to not realize you’re the embodiment of various characteristics of a tyrant. You do not have any idea what you’re talking about, you just regurgitate a confused little cluster of “talking points” as if they were yours, and do nothing but assert things no matter what others may think.
Where’s that “Like” button?
Carcha – Like, too. Someone had to say it. Thanks.
Truman Show paragraph from that article: “And it can really mess with your mind as a visitor. I’d find myself in these perplexing situations trying to figure out if a lie-spouting North Korean was in on it or not. Was she thinking, “I know this is false, you know this is false, but I live here so I gotta play the game”? Or was she fully brainwashed and thought she was telling me the truth? It was impossible to tell. During interactions, I’d find myself thinking, “Are you an actor in The Truman Show and you think I’m Truman? Or are you Truman and I’m one of the actors?” Are those kids on the street just pretending to be playing for my benefit? Is any of this real? Am I real?”
Wow! Mike this is to a word a perfect duplicate of the Church Scientology!
Marty brilliantly observed in his book that Scientology was a religion forged out of the Cold War era.
I couldn’t agree more, the Church of Scientology is totally anachronistic, and its time is coming to an end.
The time when LRH build his Church, was immediately after World War II’s massive death and destruction, the Holocaust, The Nuclear Arms race and the ongoing Mind Control warfare between the West and the East.
Information control and propaganda was the rule of the day.
Last century was also chocked full of dictators, quasi-divine leaders: Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini, Emperor Hirohito, Mao, Franco, etc. They were still an acceptable model for a lot of people, that is not the case anymore.
Those were pretty crazy times, but you can’t control the flow of information anymore, people are savvier too, and can tell what propaganda is.
Give it up Dave, the entire world is looking at you in disgust. You are a ghost from Christmas past, you just don’t know it yet.
John Doe says
I have long observed similarities between North Korea and RCS, but I have to say I am stunned by how deep it goes on so many levels, and this article did it with no reference to Scn, which made it even more powerful.
Click on the link to the concert to see some truly disturbing similarities to int events.
I saw that, too. The whole tone level and atmosphere is so much like official scientology event videos – the cheers for the arriving leader, the regulation of the audience, the synchronized standing ovations, the cheering to the songs, the lighting display. Even the artistic presentation and management is very controlled, synthesized, robotic, superficial. The similarities are creepy.
Tony DePhillips says
That crying video was hilarious.
I can just see the bots doing that after mismanage runs away to bulgravia or is thrown in the clink.
Mike Rinder says
Tony — I bet that there will be tears shed this weekend for His brilliance and magnificence and the sacrifices He has made to make planetary clearing a reality. Every man, woman, child, plant, animal and mineral in this sector of the universe owes Him a debt of gratitude. Tears will flow freely as He basks in the spotlight of His latest accomplishments on behalf of even those too ignorant to appreciate Him.
Damn, Mike, I’m welling up already.
Cast your eyes down, for to look directly at His Awesomeness will strike you blind (and dumb, really dumb).
Jane Doe says
Yes Bonnie, “…for to look directly at His Awesomeness will strike you blind (and dumb, really dumb)” you’re right — why just look at what it did for David Wilson, the OT VIII Big Whale who sat on the front row and locked eyes with DM and had a “telepathetic” comm with him. And it was just that — pathetic.
Live Zombie says
Russians tore down statues of Stalin. Iraqi’s tore down statues of Hussein.
Good leaders – private ownership, rationally decentralized control – the Bill of Rights says it pretty well.
Tyrants – confiscation, enforcement, centralized command intention, unpredictability.
Americans carved Mount Rushmore, and some even fly flags on Veteran’s Day.
Ronnie Bell says
Great differentiation there, Carcha. Those comparisons are quite apt.
Love #16 lol.
phil Pipieri says
Joe Schmo says
Oh my god! I’ve heard some things about North Korea but never realized it was what it is: David Miscavige’s Ideal Scene. That IS what the world would be like if RCS actually achieved its aims of world domination. I can only thank God that they are a tiny, pipsqueak cult who are the laughing stock of the Western world and will never be taken seriously enough for even a local city council member to realistically accept political advice from them. Thank you Mike for bringing this to our attention. This parallel with North Korea should be used over and over and over again when discussing RCS. It is the most apt description of RCS I have ever seen.
Fancy Idle Morgues while the staff go hungry and the public go bankrupt. Over-the-top accounts of LRH’s and DM’s non-existent heroic deeds. Still talking about the ‘War on the IRS’. Museum of American Atrocities? Psychiatry: Industry of Death exhibition.
Thank you very much for linking that chilling article, Mike. It shows me a new leader probably wouldn’t make an ounce of difference to the bubble.
What does the Industry of Death exhibition hav. to do with this? Psychiatry IS, TO THIS DAY, an industry of death. You might consider their treatments today are even more oppressive and suppressive than ever.
Martin Padfield says
It is a very apt comparison. Not least because while Kim Jong Un’s people are starving, he leads a “7 star lifestyle”. Dennis Rodman famously sucked up to this tyrant and unashamedly came back marveling at the luxury:
While millions of North Koreans starve, Rodman said their leader, 31, enjoys cocktails “all the time”.
He spent most of his seven-day stay drinking, partying and smoking cigars on Kim’s private island.
Rodman described Kim’s 200ft yacht as a “cross between a ferry and a Disney boat”.
He told The Sun: “It’s like going to Hawaii or Ibiza, but he’s the only one that lives there.
“He likes people to be happy around him.
“He’s got 50 to 60 around him all the time — just normal people, drinking cocktails and laughing the whole time.
“If you drink a bottle of tequila it’s the best tequila. Everything you want, he has the best.”
Data submitted to the South Korean parliament shows Kim’s regime spent £405 million on luxuries last year, including saunas, electronics, handbags and musical instruments.
He spent £20 million just on alcohol. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/northkorea/10392838/Dennis-Rodman-describes-7-star-party-lifestyle-of-Kim-Jong-un.html
Mike Rinder says
Martin — he was there as part of a documentary for the HBO show “Vice.” Though that was not revealed until after he returned.
The program was chilling. In fact, the scenes when they are playing a basketball game and Dear Leader arrives in the stadium to a standing ovation, cheering and crying is reminiscent of our own Dear Leader walking onstage at one of his events.
It depicted a very similar portrayal of the scene in North Korea as John Sweeney’s Panorama piece and this article.
Mike, you are correct, but I also think Martin’s coment is fair.
Yes, Rodman was there, because a Vice producer basically used him and a few of the Harlem Globetrotters to a) get Vice into the country, and b)use KJU’s obsession with American basketball to lure him into the stadium, HOWEVER… I think there is zero evidence that Rodman had or has any clue about the harsh reality the victims of the totalitarian regime exist with on a day in, day out basis.
In other words, as set forth in this link: Rodman wasn’t IN ON THE JOKE. http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/09/10/dennis-rodman-s-deal-with-north-korea-is-an-outrage.html
Mike Rinder says
I agree with you 100% I was not criticizing Martin at all. But I doubted he had the chance to see Vice as it is on in the US. It’s a program worth seeing. Rodman doesnt seem to have much clue about anything….
Yeah, the parallels are just a bit hard to ignore.
But Kimmy has got Davey by a good three inches.
Cooper Kessel says
In both departments no doubt!
THAT is hysterical. Like most good humour, it is based on truth.
Jane Doe says
it struck me years ago that north korea is what scientology would be if only it had a nuke.