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		By: mark marco		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2015 04:05:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/what-real-churches-do/#comment-105104&quot;&gt;Don_M&lt;/a&gt;.

That is so true.
We were conditioned to think that what we had made us so valuable...
We were &quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot; &quot;&quot; &quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;  that leaving the church meant sacrificing our personal eternity.
We were &quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot; &quot;&quot; &quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;  that everyone outside the church was inferior, and that it was dangerous.
We were &quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot; &quot;&quot; &quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;  that there was only one source of knowledge.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/what-real-churches-do/#comment-105104">Don_M</a>.</p>
<p>That is so true.<br />
We were conditioned to think that what we had made us so valuable&#8230;<br />
We were &#8220;&#8221;&#8221;&#8221;&#8221;&#8221;&#8221;&#8221;&#8221;&#8221;&#8221;&#8221;&#8221;&#8221; &#8220;&#8221; &#8220;&#8221;&#8221;&#8221;&#8221;&#8221;  that leaving the church meant sacrificing our personal eternity.<br />
We were &#8220;&#8221;&#8221;&#8221;&#8221;&#8221;&#8221;&#8221;&#8221;&#8221;&#8221;&#8221;&#8221;&#8221; &#8220;&#8221; &#8220;&#8221;&#8221;&#8221;&#8221;&#8221;  that everyone outside the church was inferior, and that it was dangerous.<br />
We were &#8220;&#8221;&#8221;&#8221;&#8221;&#8221;&#8221;&#8221;&#8221;&#8221;&#8221;&#8221;&#8221;&#8221; &#8220;&#8221; &#8220;&#8221;&#8221;&#8221;&#8221;&#8221;  that there was only one source of knowledge.</p>
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		By: Mark Marco		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/what-real-churches-do/#comment-105601</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2015 19:58:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/what-real-churches-do/#comment-105191&quot;&gt;thegman77&lt;/a&gt;.

I am that which is aware of being aware.
I am forever.
The conditioned soul forgets this.
To quote the Bhagavad Gita (a mythological story thought to be the sacred conversation between god and man. As god takes the form of the king&#039;s chariot driver, commanding the king to the attend the final war, they converse. All the sacred words are either the voice of god or of the king, so chosen for his righteousness and therefore the closest of mankind to the eternal realm and its original Creator. Originally written in Sanscrit some 5000 years ago, it was also purported to be the representation of supreme intelligence) -if I may...

Those who are wise lament neither for the living nor the dead.
Never was there a time when I did not exist, nor you, nor all these kings; nor in the future shall any of us cease to be.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/what-real-churches-do/#comment-105191">thegman77</a>.</p>
<p>I am that which is aware of being aware.<br />
I am forever.<br />
The conditioned soul forgets this.<br />
To quote the Bhagavad Gita (a mythological story thought to be the sacred conversation between god and man. As god takes the form of the king&#8217;s chariot driver, commanding the king to the attend the final war, they converse. All the sacred words are either the voice of god or of the king, so chosen for his righteousness and therefore the closest of mankind to the eternal realm and its original Creator. Originally written in Sanscrit some 5000 years ago, it was also purported to be the representation of supreme intelligence) -if I may&#8230;</p>
<p>Those who are wise lament neither for the living nor the dead.<br />
Never was there a time when I did not exist, nor you, nor all these kings; nor in the future shall any of us cease to be.</p>
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		By: Lawrence		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/what-real-churches-do/#comment-105438</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2015 12:36:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/what-real-churches-do/#comment-105261&quot;&gt;Doug&lt;/a&gt;.

Church members lie to each other about themselves and acknowledge it with a &quot;Thank you for your donation&quot; with no real truth there to understand. A  person falls in to that trap by not knowing it is waiting for them at the church in the first place like most innocent public people do searching for answers after let&#039;s say reading a Dianetics book for the first time in forever. The other half of the church (David Misaviges&#039;s INT team) fight to make sure the sources of their income don&#039;t spring the traps. It is a nasty business. Not a religion. Not an example to be followed. People on their OT levels may be doing some good for the universe but it pales in comparison to how that good is attempted to be used again once put there. Dianetics and Scientology are not becoming unpopular. The Church of Scientology is unpopular, just like smoking tobacco has become unwelcome anywhere indoors that is public in New York City and elsewhere. So in essence, the Church of Scientology has about as much influence on the world as a pack of cigarettes. Just my 2 cents! :)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/what-real-churches-do/#comment-105261">Doug</a>.</p>
<p>Church members lie to each other about themselves and acknowledge it with a &#8220;Thank you for your donation&#8221; with no real truth there to understand. A  person falls in to that trap by not knowing it is waiting for them at the church in the first place like most innocent public people do searching for answers after let&#8217;s say reading a Dianetics book for the first time in forever. The other half of the church (David Misaviges&#8217;s INT team) fight to make sure the sources of their income don&#8217;t spring the traps. It is a nasty business. Not a religion. Not an example to be followed. People on their OT levels may be doing some good for the universe but it pales in comparison to how that good is attempted to be used again once put there. Dianetics and Scientology are not becoming unpopular. The Church of Scientology is unpopular, just like smoking tobacco has become unwelcome anywhere indoors that is public in New York City and elsewhere. So in essence, the Church of Scientology has about as much influence on the world as a pack of cigarettes. Just my 2 cents! 🙂</p>
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		By: Old Surfer Dude		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2015 15:55:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/what-real-churches-do/#comment-105211&quot;&gt;The Oracle&lt;/a&gt;.

LMAO!!!!!  Oracle, now that&#039;s some funny shit!  Still laughing!  He made it to his seat without a routing form!  Whew!  Still laughing!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/what-real-churches-do/#comment-105211">The Oracle</a>.</p>
<p>LMAO!!!!!  Oracle, now that&#8217;s some funny shit!  Still laughing!  He made it to his seat without a routing form!  Whew!  Still laughing!</p>
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		By: Pepper		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/what-real-churches-do/#comment-105267</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2015 15:19:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/what-real-churches-do/#comment-105221&quot;&gt;Mreppen&lt;/a&gt;.

Mreppen, if I may, I would like to tell you that a similar thing happened to my daughter when she went to university.  Not all, but the very fundamentalist Scientology friends of hers shunned her and went beyond that to slander her as well. They rumored that she was promiscuous, even though she had one steady boyfriend throughout college. They also said that she was drunk texting them, which she never did because she wasn&#039;t even speaking to them. They made it a point that she was &quot;wasting her parent&#039;s money&quot; even though she graduated with good grades, and is in the work force today in a job that she&#039;s happy with.

The shunning and even slandering of kids who leave the Scientology path can and does happen.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/what-real-churches-do/#comment-105221">Mreppen</a>.</p>
<p>Mreppen, if I may, I would like to tell you that a similar thing happened to my daughter when she went to university.  Not all, but the very fundamentalist Scientology friends of hers shunned her and went beyond that to slander her as well. They rumored that she was promiscuous, even though she had one steady boyfriend throughout college. They also said that she was drunk texting them, which she never did because she wasn&#8217;t even speaking to them. They made it a point that she was &#8220;wasting her parent&#8217;s money&#8221; even though she graduated with good grades, and is in the work force today in a job that she&#8217;s happy with.</p>
<p>The shunning and even slandering of kids who leave the Scientology path can and does happen.</p>
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		By: Doug		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2015 14:50:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Its a point and distinction well worth making, My experiences having left the cult afforded me similar observations. But here&#039;s the thing. Someone like Heber (back in the day) might respond by making the point &quot;that the Church of Scientology is in a unique position to help an individual - really any individual if he so chose to do so- avail himself of an opportunity to discover aspects himself that no other religious organization can provide. And that other churches are doing what they can, along the lines of their traditions. And the Church of Scientology does reach out to help those who need help communicating to their husband, wives, children better.&quot;  &quot;That the C of S helps get people off drugs, etc etc etc. &quot;You see, we are a different kind of church&quot; and those churches who feed the homeless are part of an overall effort to help man that we are also involved in.&quot;.... &quot;The Church of Scientology helps people become more stable in life so that they never become homeless in the first place&quot;......  I can easily imagine Heber making this kinds of statements. And in a way, it makes sense. But, it makes much more sense to me if they just changed their name to &quot;The Organizations of Scientology, Inc&quot; and let their RESULTS and the reasons why people LEAVE provide a basis for comparisons with other churches, (real churches) and just unplug the PR machinery.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its a point and distinction well worth making, My experiences having left the cult afforded me similar observations. But here&#8217;s the thing. Someone like Heber (back in the day) might respond by making the point &#8220;that the Church of Scientology is in a unique position to help an individual &#8211; really any individual if he so chose to do so- avail himself of an opportunity to discover aspects himself that no other religious organization can provide. And that other churches are doing what they can, along the lines of their traditions. And the Church of Scientology does reach out to help those who need help communicating to their husband, wives, children better.&#8221;  &#8220;That the C of S helps get people off drugs, etc etc etc. &#8220;You see, we are a different kind of church&#8221; and those churches who feed the homeless are part of an overall effort to help man that we are also involved in.&#8221;&#8230;. &#8220;The Church of Scientology helps people become more stable in life so that they never become homeless in the first place&#8221;&#8230;&#8230;  I can easily imagine Heber making this kinds of statements. And in a way, it makes sense. But, it makes much more sense to me if they just changed their name to &#8220;The Organizations of Scientology, Inc&#8221; and let their RESULTS and the reasons why people LEAVE provide a basis for comparisons with other churches, (real churches) and just unplug the PR machinery.</p>
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		By: Pepper		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pepper]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2015 14:39:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/what-real-churches-do/#comment-105212&quot;&gt;Chad&lt;/a&gt;.

Hi Chad,

The story about your boss reminded me of the movie &#039;The Blind Side&#039; with Sandra Bullock.  Based on a true story, a mom sees a teen aged boy out in the street in the rain and wonders why he&#039;s out that time of night alone, and in the rain.  She takes him home and eventually he is adopted into the family, goes to college and gets drafted in the NFL. A very inspiring  and uplifting story. Thank you, and good luck with your future endeavors.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/what-real-churches-do/#comment-105212">Chad</a>.</p>
<p>Hi Chad,</p>
<p>The story about your boss reminded me of the movie &#8216;The Blind Side&#8217; with Sandra Bullock.  Based on a true story, a mom sees a teen aged boy out in the street in the rain and wonders why he&#8217;s out that time of night alone, and in the rain.  She takes him home and eventually he is adopted into the family, goes to college and gets drafted in the NFL. A very inspiring  and uplifting story. Thank you, and good luck with your future endeavors.</p>
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		By: RMycroft		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[RMycroft]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2015 12:57:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/what-real-churches-do/#comment-105211&quot;&gt;The Oracle&lt;/a&gt;.

And made it out the door without being crush-regged!

They obviously have no tech.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/what-real-churches-do/#comment-105211">The Oracle</a>.</p>
<p>And made it out the door without being crush-regged!</p>
<p>They obviously have no tech.</p>
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		By: chuckbeatty77		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2015 12:44:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/what-real-churches-do/#comment-105212&quot;&gt;Chad&lt;/a&gt;.

You&#039;re a remarkable good person Chad!   I remember you when I was on the RPF, the RPF &quot;Mill&quot; in the lobby of today&#039;s LRH Exhibition hall of the HGB where you and the other &quot;free&quot; workmen crew were, you were a remarkably good person then, from my RPFer view of the workmen we RPFers worked adjacent to.

You left the music on the radio on for us, you got us pizza, and Bitty Miscavige, she too, even the &quot;top&quot; Sea Org boss lady who oversaw the whole HGB renos, and you guys were under her, she allowed a whole lot of normalcy to our RPF dreary ruled lives.

thanks Chad!  And thanks for going doing good stuff that you did since leaving Scientology.  

- PAC RPFer 1989 just before the HGB opened]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/what-real-churches-do/#comment-105212">Chad</a>.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re a remarkable good person Chad!   I remember you when I was on the RPF, the RPF &#8220;Mill&#8221; in the lobby of today&#8217;s LRH Exhibition hall of the HGB where you and the other &#8220;free&#8221; workmen crew were, you were a remarkably good person then, from my RPFer view of the workmen we RPFers worked adjacent to.</p>
<p>You left the music on the radio on for us, you got us pizza, and Bitty Miscavige, she too, even the &#8220;top&#8221; Sea Org boss lady who oversaw the whole HGB renos, and you guys were under her, she allowed a whole lot of normalcy to our RPF dreary ruled lives.</p>
<p>thanks Chad!  And thanks for going doing good stuff that you did since leaving Scientology.  </p>
<p>&#8211; PAC RPFer 1989 just before the HGB opened</p>
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		By: chuckbeatty77		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2015 12:37:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/what-real-churches-do/#comment-105183&quot;&gt;I Yawnalot&lt;/a&gt;.

I noticed in the 2006 New Year&#039;s event linked yesterday on the Underground Bunker, that some officials seemed pleased genuinely of the VM stuff done.

How to make all of Scientology act normal and genuine would require them dropping all manner of Hubbard&#039;s self hype that Hubbard&#039;s works still instill in them, it&#039;s a constant contradictory battle for anyone reading Hubbard&#039;s self congratulatory stuff to NOT get into Hubbard&#039;s superior mindset.

The doctrines of Scientology by Hubbard just push the readers into a predicament of adopting Hubbard&#039;s very extreme self congratulatory mindset.   

Being a Scientologist in full is a major predicament because you get bombarded with Hubbard&#039;s layers of self hype about how superior you are with Hubbard&#039;s &quot;tech&quot; and acting the role of a Scientologist means adopting Hubbard&#039;s false superiority.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/what-real-churches-do/#comment-105183">I Yawnalot</a>.</p>
<p>I noticed in the 2006 New Year&#8217;s event linked yesterday on the Underground Bunker, that some officials seemed pleased genuinely of the VM stuff done.</p>
<p>How to make all of Scientology act normal and genuine would require them dropping all manner of Hubbard&#8217;s self hype that Hubbard&#8217;s works still instill in them, it&#8217;s a constant contradictory battle for anyone reading Hubbard&#8217;s self congratulatory stuff to NOT get into Hubbard&#8217;s superior mindset.</p>
<p>The doctrines of Scientology by Hubbard just push the readers into a predicament of adopting Hubbard&#8217;s very extreme self congratulatory mindset.   </p>
<p>Being a Scientologist in full is a major predicament because you get bombarded with Hubbard&#8217;s layers of self hype about how superior you are with Hubbard&#8217;s &#8220;tech&#8221; and acting the role of a Scientologist means adopting Hubbard&#8217;s false superiority.</p>
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