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		By: Brian		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/when-the-going-gets-tough/#comment-184866</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Aug 2017 22:59:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/when-the-going-gets-tough/#comment-184682&quot;&gt;Brian&lt;/a&gt;.

There is a misconception about unconditional love out there in the world.

To love all does not mean that we are permissive with their bad behavior. 
Or that we even have to like the person.

Unconditional love is a soul recognition. It&#039;s recognizing that part of a person that transcends all conditions: good and bad.

 It&#039;s recognizing that they are temporarily in an ignorant state evolving towards something greater.

On a cloudy day when the sun is gone, we can know that behind the clouds is still something of beauty. 

It may not be manifested to obviously see. It is also the ability to look at a piece of coal and see the hidden potential diamond.

Unconditional love sees behind the facade of space and time, behind unseemly personalities and identities to see the essence of the Spirit within each person.

I can even dislike a person and still have unconditional love.

Unconditional love sees the fulcrum upon which personalities have their sway.

It&#039;s not permissiveness or spineless whimpering affection. 

It&#039;s the power to see the truth within all beings. Human or otherwise.

It&#039;s a practice that gives great spiritual power to the giver as it neutralizes the polarity of human inharmony. Definitely for the giver and sometimes for the recipient.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/when-the-going-gets-tough/#comment-184682">Brian</a>.</p>
<p>There is a misconception about unconditional love out there in the world.</p>
<p>To love all does not mean that we are permissive with their bad behavior.<br />
Or that we even have to like the person.</p>
<p>Unconditional love is a soul recognition. It&#8217;s recognizing that part of a person that transcends all conditions: good and bad.</p>
<p> It&#8217;s recognizing that they are temporarily in an ignorant state evolving towards something greater.</p>
<p>On a cloudy day when the sun is gone, we can know that behind the clouds is still something of beauty. </p>
<p>It may not be manifested to obviously see. It is also the ability to look at a piece of coal and see the hidden potential diamond.</p>
<p>Unconditional love sees behind the facade of space and time, behind unseemly personalities and identities to see the essence of the Spirit within each person.</p>
<p>I can even dislike a person and still have unconditional love.</p>
<p>Unconditional love sees the fulcrum upon which personalities have their sway.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not permissiveness or spineless whimpering affection. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s the power to see the truth within all beings. Human or otherwise.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a practice that gives great spiritual power to the giver as it neutralizes the polarity of human inharmony. Definitely for the giver and sometimes for the recipient.</p>
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		By: OhioBuckeye		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Aug 2017 10:44:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/when-the-going-gets-tough/#comment-184410&quot;&gt;Aquamarine&lt;/a&gt;.

Oh my goodness!  I am continually amazed at the caliber of intelligence represented on this blog.  That one forced me to research the mythical Greek story of Sisyphus.  THEN I had a hearty laugh.  Thanks Aqua and MJ for sharing.]]></description>
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<p>Oh my goodness!  I am continually amazed at the caliber of intelligence represented on this blog.  That one forced me to research the mythical Greek story of Sisyphus.  THEN I had a hearty laugh.  Thanks Aqua and MJ for sharing.</p>
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		By: Thetaclear		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/when-the-going-gets-tough/#comment-184795</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Aug 2017 05:08:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/when-the-going-gets-tough/#comment-184682&quot;&gt;Brian&lt;/a&gt;.

“My practice is to see the good in all, to the best of my ability. It’s a practice I’ve learned is quite valuable in a step towards liberation.”



It is a good practice, Brian. 



“Loving all, even the assholes, not only benefits the receiver; but the giver gains power over the mind. That of course does not mean that I would not protect those I love by force.”



I tried the “Buddha&#039;s way” before, as a student myself, of original “Theravada Buddhism” and of “Non-dualism” with teachers such as Adyashanti and Mooji among others; but it just didn&#039;t resonate with me, you know. IMHO, love is not to be self-imposed, but unfortunately, that&#039;s exactly what  most of those philosophies do, even though that it isn&#039;t obvious that they do. One thing is to not embrace hate as part of ANY “solution” in life - to which I fully agree, and ACTUALLY, conduct myself accordingly - and another entirely different thing is to feel either “morally” or “philosophical” forced to love others unconditionally. IMHO, that&#039;s just impractical and even unhealthy. Perhaps there is just too much of a “warrior” in me, :-)



“But even then, I still don’t have to hate them. I just need to be effective protecting innocence.”



Like you, hate is not part of my personality. Actually, it has never been, either before Scn, during, or after it. My two main principles or “mottos” in life are : 



1. To never take anything personal. 

2. To never seek revenge, but , mercifulness, forgiveness and rehabilitation.



I am sort of a super “Vulcan” personality who base his conduct in life in logic and common sense rather than in the mystical and rather impractical concept of “unconditional love”. Thus, I can easily cut anybody&#039;s head off when I need to, but I never forget to put it back when I have made my point clear enough, and have already established order. Can that be considered as “Unconditional Love”? Perhaps it can, though I don&#039;t see it that way. I mostly see it as an “emotionally detached” response to livingness. As a logical and common sense response to life’s dilemmas. 



“Unconditional love takes great mental strength. It’s not a bestowed gift from nature. I got my ass kicked to learn it.”



Yeah, I know what you mean, as I struggled with it myself for decades!!! But at the end, I decided that it was a wrong purpose to begin with. But I highly admire those who strive to develop it, as that only demonstrate a compassion not that abundant in society.

 

“Grateful now for my teacher. I learned it from him. And my mom too”



Aren&#039;t mothers great indeed!!! :-)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/when-the-going-gets-tough/#comment-184682">Brian</a>.</p>
<p>“My practice is to see the good in all, to the best of my ability. It’s a practice I’ve learned is quite valuable in a step towards liberation.”</p>
<p>It is a good practice, Brian. </p>
<p>“Loving all, even the assholes, not only benefits the receiver; but the giver gains power over the mind. That of course does not mean that I would not protect those I love by force.”</p>
<p>I tried the “Buddha&#8217;s way” before, as a student myself, of original “Theravada Buddhism” and of “Non-dualism” with teachers such as Adyashanti and Mooji among others; but it just didn&#8217;t resonate with me, you know. IMHO, love is not to be self-imposed, but unfortunately, that&#8217;s exactly what  most of those philosophies do, even though that it isn&#8217;t obvious that they do. One thing is to not embrace hate as part of ANY “solution” in life &#8211; to which I fully agree, and ACTUALLY, conduct myself accordingly &#8211; and another entirely different thing is to feel either “morally” or “philosophical” forced to love others unconditionally. IMHO, that&#8217;s just impractical and even unhealthy. Perhaps there is just too much of a “warrior” in me, 🙂</p>
<p>“But even then, I still don’t have to hate them. I just need to be effective protecting innocence.”</p>
<p>Like you, hate is not part of my personality. Actually, it has never been, either before Scn, during, or after it. My two main principles or “mottos” in life are : </p>
<p>1. To never take anything personal. </p>
<p>2. To never seek revenge, but , mercifulness, forgiveness and rehabilitation.</p>
<p>I am sort of a super “Vulcan” personality who base his conduct in life in logic and common sense rather than in the mystical and rather impractical concept of “unconditional love”. Thus, I can easily cut anybody&#8217;s head off when I need to, but I never forget to put it back when I have made my point clear enough, and have already established order. Can that be considered as “Unconditional Love”? Perhaps it can, though I don&#8217;t see it that way. I mostly see it as an “emotionally detached” response to livingness. As a logical and common sense response to life’s dilemmas. </p>
<p>“Unconditional love takes great mental strength. It’s not a bestowed gift from nature. I got my ass kicked to learn it.”</p>
<p>Yeah, I know what you mean, as I struggled with it myself for decades!!! But at the end, I decided that it was a wrong purpose to begin with. But I highly admire those who strive to develop it, as that only demonstrate a compassion not that abundant in society.</p>
<p>“Grateful now for my teacher. I learned it from him. And my mom too”</p>
<p>Aren&#8217;t mothers great indeed!!! 🙂</p>
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		By: Alcoboy		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/when-the-going-gets-tough/#comment-184786</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Aug 2017 00:52:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/when-the-going-gets-tough/#comment-184474&quot;&gt;Alex De Valera&lt;/a&gt;.

Look, Alex, I&#039;ve watched &quot;Triumph des Willens &quot; (Triumph of The Will) and I feel that Miscavige up on that podium making all those grandiose statements reminded me of Hitler doing the same thing at Nuremberg. And the purpose was the same: to rally the masses behind an idea. In the case of Hitler, it was Nazism. In the case of Miscavige it was Scientology.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/when-the-going-gets-tough/#comment-184474">Alex De Valera</a>.</p>
<p>Look, Alex, I&#8217;ve watched &#8220;Triumph des Willens &#8221; (Triumph of The Will) and I feel that Miscavige up on that podium making all those grandiose statements reminded me of Hitler doing the same thing at Nuremberg. And the purpose was the same: to rally the masses behind an idea. In the case of Hitler, it was Nazism. In the case of Miscavige it was Scientology.</p>
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		By: T-Marie		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Aug 2017 13:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/when-the-going-gets-tough/#comment-184411&quot;&gt;Aquamarine&lt;/a&gt;.

ROFLMAO because I can sooooooo see this!]]></description>
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<p>ROFLMAO because I can sooooooo see this!</p>
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		By: Brian		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Aug 2017 05:23:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/when-the-going-gets-tough/#comment-184625&quot;&gt;Thetaclear&lt;/a&gt;.

My practice is to see the good in all, to the best of my ability. It&#039;s a practice I&#039;ve learned is quite valuable in a step towards liberation. 

Loving all, even the assholes, not only benefits the receiver; but the giver gains power over the mind. That of course does not mean that I would not protect those I love by force. 

But even then, I still don&#039;t have to hate them. I just need to be effective protecting innocence.

Unconditional love takes great mental strength. It&#039;s not a bestowed gift from nature. I got my ass kicked to learn it.  

Grateful now for my teacher. I learned it from him. And my mom too<img src="https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/2764.png" alt="❤" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/when-the-going-gets-tough/#comment-184625">Thetaclear</a>.</p>
<p>My practice is to see the good in all, to the best of my ability. It&#8217;s a practice I&#8217;ve learned is quite valuable in a step towards liberation. </p>
<p>Loving all, even the assholes, not only benefits the receiver; but the giver gains power over the mind. That of course does not mean that I would not protect those I love by force. </p>
<p>But even then, I still don&#8217;t have to hate them. I just need to be effective protecting innocence.</p>
<p>Unconditional love takes great mental strength. It&#8217;s not a bestowed gift from nature. I got my ass kicked to learn it.  </p>
<p>Grateful now for my teacher. I learned it from him. And my mom too❤️</p>
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		By: Thetaclear		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Aug 2017 22:57:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/when-the-going-gets-tough/#comment-184477&quot;&gt;Brian&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;But being the student of Hubbard, the knowledge he has been taught is &#039;ruin utterly&#039; the critic. That is who he is now. Scientology can create intellectual cowards. Making self righteous attack dogs.&quot;



That&#039;s right, Brain! 



You know, I think that, like in any sphere of life (cult, religion, club, work, social group, etc), we encounter good decent people and also, &quot;rotten tomatoes&quot;. The decent ones never let themselves to be changed by LRH&#039;s crazy ideas. If they did changed a little bit, their good conscience was enough to straighten them out one way or the other. But the rotten tomatoes? Those ones like Marty already HAD the seed of evil within themselves. What LRH&#039;s methods did, was to make that evil seed to grow faster. That&#039;s your Marty, Brian. Someone you actually enjoyed hurting others. This wasn&#039;t LRH&#039;s doing; Marty was already rotten to begin with.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/when-the-going-gets-tough/#comment-184477">Brian</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;But being the student of Hubbard, the knowledge he has been taught is &#8216;ruin utterly&#8217; the critic. That is who he is now. Scientology can create intellectual cowards. Making self righteous attack dogs.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s right, Brain! </p>
<p>You know, I think that, like in any sphere of life (cult, religion, club, work, social group, etc), we encounter good decent people and also, &#8220;rotten tomatoes&#8221;. The decent ones never let themselves to be changed by LRH&#8217;s crazy ideas. If they did changed a little bit, their good conscience was enough to straighten them out one way or the other. But the rotten tomatoes? Those ones like Marty already HAD the seed of evil within themselves. What LRH&#8217;s methods did, was to make that evil seed to grow faster. That&#8217;s your Marty, Brian. Someone you actually enjoyed hurting others. This wasn&#8217;t LRH&#8217;s doing; Marty was already rotten to begin with.</p>
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		By: Alcoboy		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Aug 2017 22:22:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/when-the-going-gets-tough/#comment-184282&quot;&gt;neverin&lt;/a&gt;.

A shrill little voice with an obvious Philadelphia accent.]]></description>
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<p>A shrill little voice with an obvious Philadelphia accent.</p>
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		By: On the wall that Trump Won't build		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Aug 2017 18:41:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/when-the-going-gets-tough/#comment-184332&quot;&gt;Brian&lt;/a&gt;.

What videos?  *Yawn*]]></description>
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<p>What videos?  *Yawn*</p>
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		By: Marie		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Aug 2017 14:57:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Was there any member here that was present at this event? 

Mike were you there?  Was Marty? I often wondered if they just rented all the people in the audience!

Well they all should enjoy the rerun of this event.  

Because when they lose their tax exempt that will be a different kind of party.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Was there any member here that was present at this event? </p>
<p>Mike were you there?  Was Marty? I often wondered if they just rented all the people in the audience!</p>
<p>Well they all should enjoy the rerun of this event.  </p>
<p>Because when they lose their tax exempt that will be a different kind of party.</p>
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